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3 or 4 at the back ? DECISIONS....

1983tom

Registered User
Had always played 3 at the back until the PES09 when I had to play 4 at the back as was getting into trouble at the back!

What is everyone finding on PES10?


3 or 4 at the back ?
 

Yami-Naruto

Registered User
Depends on the opposition. If they are playing a 4-5-1 then 3 CBs is far too many which leaves spaces elsewhere n the pitch. 4 is better as you have one CB to mark and one CB to cover with the fullbacks to cover the opponents wide players.

This is similar if the opponent plays 4-3-3 then 3 CBs will either become very stretched or if the WB's are deep then its the same as for 4-5-1.

I'd only opt for a 3-5-2 when the opponent plays a 4-4-2, that way you have a surplus in midfield and at the back

Theres more to a formation than the number of defenders though. A lot depends on how wide / deep you play yr midfielders etc
 

Mr Darkstar

Registered User
i have always played 4 at the back only time i may have changed it would have been through bordem and wanting more midfielders to play. i dont think the amount on your backline matter that much depending on what positions you have your midfield playing.
 

TechGuyatNY

Registered User
depends on the team i play on, usually i play 4

but some teams, like inter and barcelona, who have 3 good CBs, i'll play a 3 defender formation with wingbacks or a 5 defender formation with full backs
 

muzza798

Registered User
Playing 3 at the back isnt suicide. I was online yesterday and played with Genoa against R. Madrid and played 3 at the back. At the time it felt like suicide but i was in a 'fuck it' attitude and went for it. It worked pretty well. Drew 1-1 and was dominated due to Sculli being sent off but playing 5 in midfield completely shut is offense down to a walking pace.

Its that gap between midfield and defence that gets exploited by the big teams and with 5 in midfield it was to cramped for him to start up is attacking runs or to just simply knock it up top. If i was Liverpool or som1 i would of wiped the floor with him. He was good aswell. Its worth a go for a game or so.
 

Rasmus

Registered User
It depends on the opponent wheather to play 3 or 4 at the back i think. Last night i played a CL tournament with my mate (as atletico madrid) In the quarter final we met Liverpool. As they're playing 4-5-1 we figured we only needed 3 defenders positioned very close to each other (all played as cb) But then if you're playing against a team that plays 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 i would suggest you play 4 at the back. I usually play 4-4-2 in my ML - however i tend to use the default formation when playing friendlies against my mates..
 

zizou4ever

Registered User
It depends on the players you have and the opposite's formation.
If the opponent plays with only one forward (for ex. 4-5-1), I would not use a 3 back formation.
Another thing is the use of one of the 3 as a sweeper. The sweeper doesn't act only covering the CBs, but at the correct time, he goes to midfield like a DM or even in attack! If you use him this way, it makes a lot of difference.
 

zizou88

Registered User
It depends on the players you have and the opposite's formation.
If the opponent plays with only one forward (for ex. 4-5-1), I would not use a 3 back formation.
Another thing is the use of one of the 3 as a sweeper. The sweeper doesn't act only covering the CBs, but at the correct time, he goes to midfield like a DM or even in attack! If you use him this way, it makes a lot of difference.

I've got your ID picture as a poster on my wall. the posters about 6 tall =D
 

Red Owl

Registered User
My usual tactic is 4-4-2, with wide full backs, but fairly defensive CMs. This is because (as discussed on another thread) early crosses are the best way of scoring goals - so I use my SMs and SBs to whip the ball in towards the strikers (or more often, the winger from the opposite wing)...
 

Sabatasso

Banned
--------CD------CD
RB---------------------LB

---------------DM
---------CM
-SMR
--------------------SML
--------------SS
---------CF




All out attack, opposite side and pressing the whole game and attacking level in the middle, I use counter attack occationally.
I excecute quick counter-attacks before defence is organized then I follow up with a massive pressure if the first wave doesen't result in a goal.

Teams: Argentina and Tottenham

I rarely concede more than 1 goal, score average of 3 goals per game.
I focus on crosses, byline and early and high through balls from CM & DM
Top Player and Professional, I haven't decided wich offers the most realistic opposition yet.

PS. I try to score nice goals, rather than many goals.
-Winning is easy, it's winning in style that matters.
 

Rasmus

Registered User
^ Well said mate. A question regarding opposite side attack. If you have it "on" during the entire game, that means that there will always be several players standing in the opposite side waiting for the ball to be passed?
 

luikang

Registered User
--------CD------CD
RB---------------------LB

---------------DM
---------CM
-SMR
--------------------SML
--------------SS
---------CF

All out attack, opposite side and pressing the whole game and attacking level in the middle, I use counter attack occationally.
I excecute quick counter-attacks before defence is organized then I follow up with a massive pressure if the first wave doesen't result in a goal.


Wait a minute.

Manual Strats
----------------

1 - All out attack
2 - Opposite side
3 - Pressing
4 - Counter Attack

Sliders
----------------

Middle attacking

Is that what you use ? But Why wasting 4 on counter attacks if you have 1 to do it manually as soon as you get the ball back ?

And 3 can now be supplanted by the 'Pressing' slider, can't it ?

Oh and if you don't mind me asking, is that formation of yours really solid in defending online with only one DMF and two SBs instead of CBs ?
 

1983tom

Registered User
I like to stick with a formation consistently so im gonna test out 3 at the back and also 4 at the back tonight then stick with that moving forward.......

used to play 3 at the back with 2 DMs making runs back and to the wings............


cheers for the suggestions tho, iv added Mr-Darkstar & penev10 to my online.....
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Wait a minute.

Manual Strats
----------------

1 - All out attack
2 - Opposite side
3 - Pressing
4 - Counter Attack

Sliders
----------------

Middle attacking

Is that what you use ? But Why wasting 4 on counter attacks if you have 1 to do it manually as soon as you get the ball back ?

And 3 can now be supplanted by the 'Pressing' slider, can't it ?

Oh and if you don't mind me asking, is that formation of yours really solid in defending online with only one DMF and two SBs instead of CBs ?

As I said, I rarely concede more than 1 goal, but it might not work that way for you. I don't really play a lot online, but I have only lost about 10-15% of my online matches. I play with Tottenham online.

I get better opposition by playing against friends however, but I rarely concede more than 1 goal then too, but I don't always score against them so I lose maybe 30-35% of my matches against them, I'd like to add that most of my friends play extremly defensive against me lately.
 
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