Advanced Formations (Images)
- Thread starter jMz
- Start date
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Wow, that's a great compliment! To know they are good enough to go on your wall.svendust said:Great work jMz, can't say I ever pay much attention to the tactics, which is probably why I sometimes struggle and scrape a 1-0 win but no more, I have printed you're tactics off and they are going to good use in the game and to decorate my bedroom wall
Thx.
If you need anything more customised to your team, let me know...
Han
Registered User
JMZ, you are a true master of tactics 
I tooked a close look to all of those diagrams and you inspired me to do something for my own ML team. When creating it, I encountered a small problem: I have no sweeper and I like to play with one. Can I use an ordinary CBT for it? If so, which are important qualities for a sweeper? I guess defending, balance, heading, jumping and star attributes for positioning and D-line?
Maybe not marking as he does mainly a covering job?
Another question about back line: I always have been thinking it was playing with all defenders on a line (like Man utd, for example), but I now understand it means how far your defenders have moved up?
I tooked a close look to all of those diagrams and you inspired me to do something for my own ML team. When creating it, I encountered a small problem: I have no sweeper and I like to play with one. Can I use an ordinary CBT for it? If so, which are important qualities for a sweeper? I guess defending, balance, heading, jumping and star attributes for positioning and D-line?Maybe not marking as he does mainly a covering job?
Another question about back line: I always have been thinking it was playing with all defenders on a line (like Man utd, for example), but I now understand it means how far your defenders have moved up?
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Why thank you...Han said:jMz, you are a true master of tactics
You can do it with a CBT yes, or you could put a CBT as a sweeper and he should be OK if he's a good player. I assume you know how to set a sweeper.Han said:
Bang on mate.Han said:
Also reaction, and passing if you play the short game.
Yes it is how far they push up the field while attacking, and slightly influences how much they pressure attackers. Zone Press is the main factor in pressuring though. If they are both A your defence will be superb but they will tire very quickly, and possibly make lots of mistakes later in the game.Han said:
Another decent but sly tactic is to have 6 top class defenders in your squad, put the starting defenders on A for back line and zone press, then substitute them at half time, this way you can have lots of pressure all game with fully fit defenders. This is risky though, you never know if you'll get an injury, with no subs left!
I hope this helps mate, and I'm sorry for the delay in my reply, this thread hasn't been hugely popular lately and I forgot to keep checking it.
Now PES4 is out, I'll be back with new formations every now and again.
Han
Registered User
LOL I am in your signature!
Just another question:
In the case of zonepress: what do you think is better:
- Only playing in parts with zone press and switch it off in other parts of the match
or
- Playing zone-press on B all the time?
This may be interesting when playing on-line. Lots of people play zone press all the time I know In fact I am the type of player who lets the opponent come until about 10 virtual meters on my half (meanwhile organizing my defense) , then I press and try to counter after winning the ball.
Don't you think in my case zone press is a lesser good idea with my tactics?
I am in your signature!Just another question:
In the case of zonepress: what do you think is better:
- Only playing in parts with zone press and switch it off in other parts of the match
or
- Playing zone-press on B all the time?
This may be interesting when playing on-line. Lots of people play zone press all the time I know
In fact I am the type of player who lets the opponent come until about 10 virtual meters on my half (meanwhile organizing my defense) , then I press and try to counter after winning the ball.Don't you think in my case zone press is a lesser good idea with my tactics?
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Maybe use both the methods you mentioned. Put zone press on B or C, then have it on :circle: maybe in your strategies so you can switch it up when you need extra pressure.Han said:LOL
Just another question:
In the case of zonepress: what do you think is better:
- Only playing in parts with zone press and switch it off in other parts of the match
or
- Playing zone-press on B all the time?
This may be interesting when playing on-line. Lots of people play zone press all the time I know
Don't you think in my case zone press is a lesser good idea with my tactics?
By the sounds of how you play, it's similar to me, try putting your back line on C so there is always someone back. and your counter attack and offside trap on A.
What default formation are you using? 4 or 3 at the back?
Han
Registered User
No, FIVE at the back!
I play an adapted 5-3-2 currently after I was not happy with my 4-4-2.
That's why I need a sweeper. But that generates another problem: Putting a d-line on C with this formation leaves a gap between my defense and midfield. And yes, I use the manual strategy for zonepress and, like you adviced, use a second and third formation at two other buttons. Maybe I will use my sweeper to push up to the midfield (in the alternative attacking formation), but that's still a matter of tweaking it to perfection.
I play an adapted 5-3-2 currently after I was not happy with my 4-4-2.
That's why I need a sweeper. But that generates another problem: Putting a d-line on C with this formation leaves a gap between my defense and midfield. And yes, I use the manual strategy for zonepress and, like you adviced, use a second and third formation at two other buttons. Maybe I will use my sweeper to push up to the midfield (in the alternative attacking formation), but that's still a matter of tweaking it to perfection.
jMz
I beg your pardon?
Yeah I do that sometimes with my sweeper, Beckenbauer, he plays both roles, or even Rijkaard. As always the classic players are usually best for defence...
To fix the gap, you could use a Defensive midfielder to sit in the middle and protect.
Push your full backs up as far as they will go, then apply attacking arrows to get them forward, then put all your midfielders in the centre, as your FB's will do the wide attacking.
Tell you what, instead of trying to explain it here I'll knock up a formation for you tonight and post it later. It will be late on mind as I'm going to watch Green Wing and South Park... (No night out tonight as I'm playing footy tomoro)
To fix the gap, you could use a Defensive midfielder to sit in the middle and protect.
Push your full backs up as far as they will go, then apply attacking arrows to get them forward, then put all your midfielders in the centre, as your FB's will do the wide attacking.
Tell you what, instead of trying to explain it here I'll knock up a formation for you tonight and post it later. It will be late on mind as I'm going to watch Green Wing and South Park... (No night out tonight as I'm playing footy tomoro)
jMz
I beg your pardon?
I wouldn't make substitutions every time you change, I was assuming you'd be using this for your master league team, so that you could keep it in and not have to load it up every time you want to use it. Also this way you can buy in the right players for the job, I would use a specialist formation for each club team you use as the players will always be different. If you know what I mean. Maybe you could try setting some up and using the template to demonstrate?Han (via email) said:
If you are only changing line up for a bit at a time, it shouldn't cause too much bother having your defenders out of position.
If you want player recomendations for ML signings.
Sweeper/Centre backs - Beckenbauer (possibly the best player for said position on whole game), Rijkaard, R. Koeman. Or someone else who has CBT/CBW/DMF
Full backs - any with SB and SMF, there are loads. Roberto Carlos, and Cafu are two that instantly spring to mind.
Again, I would use these for your ML team o you can better fill the positions, then create specials for the club/national teams you would normally use, based around their players.
Hello again jMz,
looks like that you are getting to be our Guru when it comes to tactics and formation here, actually you will be surprised to know that you are the only reason I keep checkin this great site almost daily to find out if you have posted more new formations. I even look for your posts in other winning eleven forums. I printed out all your formations and I keep checking them and try to personalize them for myself. The idea of changing 3 different attacking, defensive and balanced formations during the gameplay is a miracle!! I have to say you managed to make me change my long time tactics and formations and I play with a new perspective now! Thanks again, man.
Now here comes my thought/question (I am sure you know I was going to ask after this flattering introduction )
As I said, I have tried all of your previous formations and some of them worked wonder for me. However, I started to reliaze that I have a problem playin with only 2 CFs (versus 3 upfront 1 CFs and 2 WFs or 3 CFs). It makes it almost impossible for me to have a good counter attack with only 2 CFs. And from my humble experience, I found out that most of my goals are scored during fast counter attacks when my opponent has his defenders upfront or out of position. Playin with 1 Cf and 2 WFs makes it more easier to have a through pass from one of my MF that would set one of my offenders in one-on-one position with the opponent's keeper. If you have more formations with 3 at the front that would be great!
As illustrated in some of you formations, I started to use 3 defenders (back line C)with a sweeper and backed up with 2 DMFs. I liked it very much and it worked wonders for me that I almost find it useless now to have 4 at the back. Using this, It is very difficult to conqure me from the center. For me, the only problem with defending with 3 is with attacks from the sides. I find that the CBs are unable sometimes to prevent my opponent's fast wingers from crossing a strong cross and my sweeper fails to get it as the CF heads it in. I tried to play around with attacking arrows of my DMFs and CBs to make them cover the sides more. It got better but still not good enough. What do you think I should do to improve my coverage to the sides?
Thanks again jMz, and please try regularly to update us here with more and more formations, I can't get enough of that , man.
looks like that you are getting to be our Guru when it comes to tactics and formation here, actually you will be surprised to know that you are the only reason I keep checkin this great site almost daily to find out if you have posted more new formations. I even look for your posts in other winning eleven forums. I printed out all your formations and I keep checking them and try to personalize them for myself. The idea of changing 3 different attacking, defensive and balanced formations during the gameplay is a miracle!! I have to say you managed to make me change my long time tactics and formations and I play with a new perspective now! Thanks again, man.
Now here comes my thought/question (I am sure you know I was going to ask after this flattering introduction
)As I said, I have tried all of your previous formations and some of them worked wonder for me. However, I started to reliaze that I have a problem playin with only 2 CFs (versus 3 upfront 1 CFs and 2 WFs or 3 CFs). It makes it almost impossible for me to have a good counter attack with only 2 CFs. And from my humble experience, I found out that most of my goals are scored during fast counter attacks when my opponent has his defenders upfront or out of position. Playin with 1 Cf and 2 WFs makes it more easier to have a through pass from one of my MF that would set one of my offenders in one-on-one position with the opponent's keeper. If you have more formations with 3 at the front that would be great!
As illustrated in some of you formations, I started to use 3 defenders (back line C)with a sweeper and backed up with 2 DMFs. I liked it very much and it worked wonders for me that I almost find it useless now to have 4 at the back. Using this, It is very difficult to conqure me from the center. For me, the only problem with defending with 3 is with attacks from the sides. I find that the CBs are unable sometimes to prevent my opponent's fast wingers from crossing a strong cross and my sweeper fails to get it as the CF heads it in. I tried to play around with attacking arrows of my DMFs and CBs to make them cover the sides more. It got better but still not good enough. What do you think I should do to improve my coverage to the sides?
Thanks again jMz, and please try regularly to update us here with more and more formations, I can't get enough of that , man.