Advanced Formations (Images)

[jMz]

I must say I started to like 2 6 2 a lot, though it is terribly risky.

That's what makes it fun. To be honest though, I thought it was risky at first but because I've had so much success with it lately I feel unbeatable using it now. I only use it with certain teams, cos to be fully effective you need good players. When I have the 2-6-2 on I don't change at all, I just use it all game now. My mates are terrified of it!
Some of the things I think make it great...
When you have the ball, 8 of your players are forward, so the other team marks up and has to get players back, making it difficult for them to counter, which would be their only option of attack really (in my experience anyway).
Then if they do leave players forward, you outnumber their defence making it easier to score goals. But that's where it gets risky, you have only two defenders....
This thread has gone to pot now since I found that formation. I can't think of anything better than 2-6-2 that would be worth posting. I'm still here to answer questions and offer advice though, that's if I haven't covered it already in the thread.

 

[observer]

That's what makes it fun. To be honest though, I thought it was risky at first but because I've had so much success with it lately I feel unbeatable using it now. I only use it with certain teams, cos to be fully effective you need good players. When I have the 2-6-2 on I don't change at all, I just use it all game now. My mates are terrified of it!
Some of the things I think make it great...
When you have the ball, 8 of your players are forward, so the other team marks up and has to get players back, making it difficult for them to counter, which would be their only option of attack really (in my experience anyway).
Then if they do leave players forward, you outnumber their defence making it easier to score goals. But that's where it gets risky, you have only two defenders....
This thread has gone to pot now since I found that formation. I can't think of anything better than 2-6-2 that would be worth posting. I'm still here to answer questions and offer advice though, that's if I haven't covered it already in the thread.

As I said earlier, 2 6 2 is a genuoius formation, and I gain control of the game as soon as I switch to it. Although I highly doubt this formation will work in real life, it does work in playtation I have super players in every position and this helps a lot with this formation. In 2 6 2, with the exception of the 2 CBs, all players participate in the offense and eventually score. Thatswhy, it is a key to have good balanced players in all positions.

To the contrary of the way it looks, I noticed that I have no problem in defense when my players are in my half. This is because all the Mid- feild players participate in the defense and the two strong CBs (Stam & Rickard) finish the rest of the job.

The main problem I face in defense when my players are on the other half of the feild during an attack. As jMz, suggested, you have to pass the ball a lot with this formation and keep the ball for the longest time, and then wonders start to show. At this time, when you commit a stupid mistake and loose the ball, your 2 CBs will have a real challenge to stop the counter attack, especially if the oppoent, like in my case, has 3 fast forwards. Usually, I either try to distract them and slow down the attack till I have the rest of the players back, some other times I have to commit a dangerous foul to stop it.
James, what do you do in these situations? when you are caught up with your 2 CBs facing 3 players? do you run forward and try to get the ball or wait and try to slow down the atack?? The same scenario happens when I have a corner kick and my players are all in my opponent's penality area.

Another drawback in this formation I see is it is not good with counter attacks. When you keeper gets the ball it is better to throw it to the closest player and start the attack slowly from the mid-feild. If you shoot the goal kick directly after an attack, your forwards will be lagging behind and the opponent's defense will easily get it.


I must say, I love this formation now.

 

[jMz]

1.As I said earlier, 2 6 2 is a genuoius formation,

2.The main problem I face in defense when my players are on the other half of the feild during an attack. As jMz, suggested, you have to pass the ball a lot with this formation and keep the ball for the longest time, and then wonders start to show. At this time, when you commit a stupid mistake and loose the ball, your 2 CBs will have a real challenge to stop the counter attack, especially if the oppoent, like in my case, has 3 fast forwards. Usually, I either try to distract them and slow down the attack till I have the rest of the players back, some other times I have to commit a dangerous foul to stop it.
James, what do you do in these situations? when you are caught up with your 2 CBs facing 3 players? do you run forward and try to get the ball or wait and try to slow down the atack?? The same scenario happens when I have a corner kick and my players are all in my opponent's penality area.

3.Another drawback in this formation I see is it is not good with counter attacks. When you keeper gets the ball it is better to throw it to the closest player and start the attack slowly from the mid-feild. If you shoot the goal kick directly after an attack, your forwards will be lagging behind and the opponent's defense will easily get it.


4.I must say, I love this formation now.

1. I know mate... Don't want to say I told you so, but....

2. On the rare occasions that I am not dominating (big headed cunt aren't I?), I wouldn't dive in. Cos if you miss the tackle, you have just lost a valuable defender for a few moments. I will try and hold up the play, then the midfield will quickly get back to help out. Most of the fun comes from this situation, as it gets your heart pumping. As long as you have a player between the attacker and the goal, he can't do much. If he tries to shoot just stay in front and block it.

3. You are right it doesn't counter well, but that's the beauty, people expect you to counter, and don't know what to do when they can't get the ball. All they can do is get their players back rendering a counter useless for them too. Like I said though, every now and again, one of your forwards has pulled wide and is unmarked, meaning you can counter with deadly efficiency.

4. I love it too mate. My mates hate it, cos even when they use it against me, I can control it better. They often try to counter and have the problem you highlighted earlier. I've got all my buddies scratching their heads now. Just the way I like it....

I have already covered these points in the post with the pic, but I understand if you didn't read it all. I could take a while!

Also a small note, I reccomend using wingers up front rather than out-and-out strikers, as they are designed to pull wide and stretch the defence allowing your OMF's to storm through and shoot, or take the keeper on.

Most of my goals come from about 2 or 3 yards out, after just shredding the opposition with loads of passes and 1-2's. You get to the goal, the keeper comes out, you knock it square for an oncoming team mate to tap it in. Still, I'm scoring plenty of belters aswell, most of the players in Classic Brazil, or my ML team can shoot well, so it's always worth having a crack. If the keeper saves it, he'll usually fumble it cos of the power, then tap the rebound in.

 

[nacco]

I must say, I think your absolutely mad. I haven't read the whole thing and haven't tried it but I must say I don't think it's a good formation. If I play against my mates I can't make mistakes because they will be punished immediatly. With your formation you will score much goals but I'm afraid you also will get a lot of goals against. In my opinion, if you play against a skilled opponent you should have four defenders.

 

[jMz]

I must say, I think your absolutely mad. I haven't read the whole thing and haven't tried it but I must say I don't think it's a good formation. If I play against my mates I can't make mistakes because they will be punished immediatly. With your formation you will score much goals but I'm afraid you also will get a lot of goals against. In my opinion, if you play against a skilled opponent you should have four defenders.

Like it says in your sig, "I make it look so easy".
My mates wouldn't be happy if you said they weren't skilled.
You can't come in here and criticise if you haven't even tried it!
When I play against my mates I can't afford to make mistakes either, so I don't. Tell you what, read the whole thread, then return and make an educated comment...
Oh, and by the way, I am absolutley mad.

 

[nacco]

Like it says in your sig, "I make it look so easy".
My mates wouldn't be happy if you said they weren't skilled.
You can't come in here and criticise if you haven't even tried it!
When I play against my mates I can't afford to make mistakes either, so I don't. Tell you what, read the whole thread, then return and make an educated comment...
Oh, and by the way, I am absolutley mad.

I'm sorry if I made you upset and your right, I should try before I judge. So I'm very sorry and will try it. I'll be back

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

As I said earlier, 2 6 2 is a genuoius formation, and I gain control of the game as soon as I switch to it. Although I highly doubt this formation will work in real life, it does work in playtation I have super players in every position and this helps a lot with this formation. In 2 6 2, with the exception of the 2 CBs, all players participate in the offense and eventually score. Thatswhy, it is a key to have good balanced players in all positions.

To the contrary of the way it looks, I noticed that I have no problem in defense when my players are in my half. This is because all the Mid- feild players participate in the defense and the two strong CBs (Stam & Rickard) finish the rest of the job.

The main problem I face in defense when my players are on the other half of the feild during an attack. As jMz, suggested, you have to pass the ball a lot with this formation and keep the ball for the longest time, and then wonders start to show. At this time, when you commit a stupid mistake and loose the ball, your 2 CBs will have a real challenge to stop the counter attack, especially if the oppoent, like in my case, has 3 fast forwards. Usually, I either try to distract them and slow down the attack till I have the rest of the players back, some other times I have to commit a dangerous foul to stop it.
James, what do you do in these situations? when you are caught up with your 2 CBs facing 3 players? do you run forward and try to get the ball or wait and try to slow down the atack?? The same scenario happens when I have a corner kick and my players are all in my opponent's penality area.

Another drawback in this formation I see is it is not good with counter attacks. When you keeper gets the ball it is better to throw it to the closest player and start the attack slowly from the mid-feild. If you shoot the goal kick directly after an attack, your forwards will be lagging behind and the opponent's defense will easily get it.


I must say, I love this formation now.

Always use R2 to jockey to slow them down and use press 2 to get someone back. Best to have manual cusor to get control of somone else to get them in a position to block a through pass the cpu or a mate will inevitably do.

Works for me a lot. Also, whereever possible, try to take them wide

 

[jMz]

I'm sorry if I made you upset and your right, I should try before I judge. So I'm very sorry and will try it. I'll be back

It takes more than that to upset me.
I just don't like it when people judge before they've tried...
I'm not having a go, people often think that cos of the way I type, I just don't beat about the bush that's all.
It takes a good man to admit he was wrong, so you're sweet as a nut in my book.

 

[jangle]

inspired by your 2-6-2 formation, i did some experiment with my team by changin' it to 2-5-3 (i used to have 3 people in front), it rocks..thanks !
here is what i did :
1. formation 2-5-3 (2CB, LMF-DMF-RMF-OMF-OMF, LWF-CF-RWF)
2. attitude set to manual (note : during the game i put it on full left, it help my MF players retread to help my defender)
thanks... !

 

[nacco]

Well, I've tried your formation (2-6-2) and I must say attacking with that formation is just lovely. It looks like your team and subs are all on the pitch, there just always is a player waiting for the ball unmarked. But I must say in my opinion the two defenders just weren't enough. So with a little change I found the formation 3-6-1 perfect for me.

 

[manolete]

erhhh sorry JmZ I can´t find your 2-6-2, can you give me the link to that formation? Thanks.

 

[manolete]

sorry, silly post, I´ve already found it

 

[ka13]

hey JMZ .. u are a tactic master..and a really good one..the best ..i dare to say....somewhere on this topic i heard that u will make tactics for my favourite club Real Madrid so i want to ask you if u will do it?..pls..
thnx in advance

 

[jMz]

hey JMZ .. u are a tactic master..and a really good one..the best ..i dare to say....somewhere on this topic i heard that u will make tactics for my favourite club Real Madrid so i want to ask you if u will do it?..pls..
thnx in advance

Thank you.
It's on the way already mate. Don't know when. Just need to finish it when I get chance.

Well, I've tried your formation (2-6-2) and I must say attacking with that formation is just lovely. It looks like your team and subs are all on the pitch, there just always is a player waiting for the ball unmarked. But I must say in my opinion the two defenders just weren't enough. So with a little change I found the formation 3-6-1 perfect for me.

Glad you could find a use for it! I knew your opinion would change when you'd tried it.

inspired by your 2-6-2 formation, i did some experiment with my team by changin' it to 2-5-3 (i used to have 3 people in front), it rocks..thanks !
here is what i did :
1. formation 2-5-3 (2CB, LMF-DMF-RMF-OMF-OMF, LWF-CF-RWF)
2. attitude set to manual (note : during the game i put it on full left, it help my MF players retread to help my defender)
thanks... !

That's exactly what I wanted people to do. I put the pictures up to put ideas in your head. What works for me isn't going to work for everyone. I'm glad you found the thread helpful.

 

[olymp_]

Hellow
First of all I would like to point out I'm new to Pes.

I have read the whole topic and I must say congrats to everebody, great topic. Aspecialy thanks to jmz for opening the door to a new world of pes.

I have tried one tactic and I love it. The thing is I don't know how to use it in online matches.
I have created mine in ML then save in in stock. But when I play online I can't open stock so I'm forced to play on default or practicly default.
Could you please tell me where to create it and how to save it so I would have it available online.

Thnx
ps: Sorry for my bad english

 

[Tin2k1]

Hellow
First of all I would like to point out I'm new to Pes.

I have read the whole topic and I must say congrats to everebody, great topic. Aspecialy thanks to jmz for opening the door to a new world of pes.

I have tried one tactic and I love it. The thing is I don't know how to use it in online matches.
I have created mine in ML then save in in stock. But when I play online I can't open stock so I'm forced to play on default or practicly default.
Could you please tell me where to create it and how to save it so I would have it available online.

Thnx
ps: Sorry for my bad english

If you goto an exhibition game first, pick your team for home and away team, load the formation, then goto contoller change, move to the other team, load formation, then the formation is loaded for home and away on LIVE. Hope that doesnt confuse you

 

[olymp_]

Ok tnx I'll try it.

 

[Skyline]

jMz, have been readin and trying out your tactics for a while and must say ive found them really helpful...but i do feel that you've excelled yourself with this 2-6-2! with a tiny bit of tweaking i have grown to love it, i seem to have infinate amounts of attacking options i play one of my mates pretty much every weekend and recently he's been routinely battering me...however this time i won at leas 8 out of 10 or so games... sorry i know this is pretty much what everyone else has been sayin but just thoguht i'd show my appreciation. cheers

 

[ka13]

who plays with real madrid?do you think that real is good in the game?what formation do u use?

 

[observer]

I made some minor changes to the classic 2-6-2. I have the two side midfeilds play as LSB and RSB with attacking and defensive arrows and I kept the positions of the rest of the players exactly the same. Now, It basically looks as the same regular 4-2-2-2. 4 at the back (2 CBs and 2 SB), 2 CMFs, 2 OMFs and 2 CFs. I had the 2-6-2 as my second formation, and I swap to whenever I want to add more pressure where my two SBs move forward to play as side midfeilds. I must say It really worked great. For the first time, I won over my mate with a huge difference and with a big score difference in almost all matches. I really recomend this formation, it is balanced, dynamic and effecient. I noticed The Side Back with attacking arrows participate more like the side midfeild but covers more at defence times. Ofcourse the side midfeild has this extra twist in the offense but I rarely needed it as my CMFs, OMFs and CFs where all over the place.

I noticed also that having 2 CMFs with defensive roles is way better that having a dedicated DMF. A center midfeild is more active and dynamic in offense and move freely practically everywhere in the opponent's half. I had all my players score yesterday which indicates how lovely this formation.

My 2 OMFs (Titto and Pele) were unstoppable.They move to the sides, run forward to finish a cross, and even apply defensive pressure. I recommend keeping their attacking arrows the same as posted by jMz earlier. As illustrated in the picture posted by jMz, the position of the two CFs (a little bit more on the edge of the 6 yard) stretch the opponent's defense and leaves space for the 2 OMFs to run forward.

At times when I was down 1, or I wanted to apply more pressure, I switched to 2-6-2 and my players were dominating the feild.

I never liked 4-4-2 formations and always found problems in scoring. However, with this formation I was scoring an average of 3 goals every match and I conceded 1 or 2 max and I must say I play against really skillful players