Advanced Formations (Images)

[Han]

Very interesting Jmz,
I am afraid it is not for me, because my defence-qualities at LIVE are my weakest part at the moment. Still I give it a try

 

[jMz]

I am not sure I fully understand the role of the players in your new template. (I like your older template more).

OK here's the key.

On the main pitch, the circles you will see mean as follows,
YELLOW
G = Goal Keeper

BLUE = (Defence)
S = Sweeper
C = Centre
L = Left
R = Right

GREEN = (Midfield)
D = Defensive
C = Centre
O = Offensive
L = Left
R = Right

RED = (Forward)
C = Centre
W = Wing

Defence, H = High, N = Normal, L= Low
On the old one I used to do this with numbers, but it got confusing so I'd rather have a visual guide.

The players numbers are in the middle to show where who goes.

Then just match up the details. Easy as pie. Pretty self explanatory I thought, I bet you are thinking "I should have known that". It's like the guy who asked what SM meant.... (side midfield)
It's difficult to get all the info onto one pitch whithout cluttering it up, also I have tried to make it more printer friendly, there were lots of solid blocks of colour on the last one, this only really has black lines, then the shirt and badge.

Now here's the rant, I have to fit Player names, numbers, positions, attack arrows, defence arrows, defence status, and that's for each formation, there are usually three formations per picture. I can't think of a better way without just taking screen shots from PES... (Which I can't do anyway... and it would take longer to do) I'm sorry if you don't like it, I can't please everyone. Once you get used to it you'll understand it straight away. I am always tinkering with it so it may change for the better in the near future. For now I just can't find a better way to display all the info in a tidy, organised manner.....
I am open to suggestions though, as long as it won't mean a complete re-design from scratch.

 

[label]

Hey jMz. Could you make a formation for Man Utd? 'Cause I love to play with them, but can't think of my formations.

 

[jMz]

Hey jMz. Could you make a formation for Man Utd? 'Cause I love to play with them, but can't think of my formations.

Tut tut. No manners, then you swear at me!
Having anything to do with Man Utd PLC goes against my morals, I hate them more than any other team. If you can give me a good enough reason to do it, I might think about doing one.....
If I do take on the task (that is, if your reason is good enough) I will need to know your chosen 11 players.

 

[jMz]

Very interesting Jmz,
I am afraid it is not for me, because my defence-qualities at LIVE are my weakest part at the moment. Still I give it a try

That's the spirit. Imagine what life would be like without experiments. When I first saw this formation on the default option file for CBrazil I couldn't believe it. I had to try it, and I got beat, but I tweaked it and stuck with it and now my mates haven't beaten me for ages. I always get beat once or twice in a session, but I haven't been beaten for weeks with this team..... It's just so hard for your opponent to deal with if you are playing well. I don't know whether it just fits my playing style or what, but it works really well for me. Even against my mates star studded ML team, I beat him 4-3, 5-3, 6-1 and 6-0 all in a row the other night. It gets better every game, and he was getting sicker by the game too..... He was especially sick of me shouting golgolgolgolgolgolgooooooooooooalllllll...

 

[label]

Tut tut. No manners, then you swear at me!
Having anything to do with Man Utd PLC goes against my morals, I hate them more than any other team. If you can give me a good enough reason to do it, I might think about doing one.....
If I do take on the task (that is, if your reason is good enough) I will need to know your chosen 11 players.

Well. You could do it just to see how I did with this formation when I tell the result of my first match with the formation here? And if you do it, my eleven would be: Howard, Heinze, Ferdinand, O'Shea, G. Neville, Fortune, Fletcher, Keane, Scholes, Rooney, Smith.
And I don't think that's a good reason, but couldn't think of anything else.

 

[jMz]

Well. You could do it just to see how I did with this formation when I tell the result of my first match with the formation here? And if you do it, my eleven would be: Howard, Heinze, Ferdinand, O'Shea, G. Neville, Fortune, Fletcher, Keane, Scholes, Rooney, Smith.

Well, if you're good, you'll win, if you're bad you'll lose no matter what formation you use. I would pick a better line up than that too. You sound like you know what you want already, so maybe you should stick with the default 4-4-2.
Sorry, your reason wasn't even an attempt, never mind good enough for me to put my Man Utd hatred aside for the time it would take to prepare the image....

 

[Han]

That's the spirit. Imagine what life would be like without experiments.

Well, to be honest I am not the greatest player around to put it mildly
But if I know I play against a good player I like it to surprise him tactically.
That's a strong point from me (not like you, master of tactics where's the quote in your signature BTW ).
I am also a bit handicapped on LIVE because I am not used to human opponents (my friends see consoles as toys and they are 40+ years old, just like me ). Also I wait for a dreambox-adapter as I cannot cope with the controller-S from Xbox too well.
So let's see if this new formation helps me out

 

[jMz]

Well, to be honest I am not the greatest player around to put it mildly
But if I know I play against a good player I like it to surprise him tactically.
That's a strong point from me (not like you, master of tactics where's the quote in your signature BTW ).
I am also a bit handicapped on LIVE because I am not used to human opponents (my friends see consoles as toys and they are 40+ years old, just like me ). Also I wait for a dreambox-adapter as I cannot cope with the controller-S from Xbox too well.
So let's see if this new formation helps me out

Sorry mate the quote had to go as it was taking up to much space.

Don't tell yourself you aren't any good, you'll start believing it. Keep a positive attitude, and tell yourself you cannot be beaten. If you do get beat, treat it as a lesson, learn from it, figure out why you got beat and fix it.

I'm sure you are a lot better than you make out.

 

[Han]

I tried your 2-6-2-formation the other night and I must say it's not that bad
I expected a lot of deadly counters against those two poor lonely defenders ( ) but apart from the very begin things work well. The SMF's and DMF's were back in time to assist, so it it a good surprise package

I did what you said about my poor game at LIVE (against the CPU I play well enough to play level 5, so it really is a LIVE-problem) and analysed my game after two matches, both ending 0-0.
My problem seems to be switching from defense to attack; somewhere at the edge of the penaltybox I win the ball, but all my players are on my own half, apart from the two strikers, who are just at the other half, but marked by three defenders. Even if I choosed to pass to them, I would not succeed, because I only can try to reach them with a long ball, and most of the time that pass will be intercepted (yes, I move the attacker towards the ball). The only option is try to hold the bal until my players have moved up. But that is risky when you are at the edge of your own penalty-area, especially with opponents who press a lot.
So here is my problem.... How do you build up properly when you win the ball deep at your own half?? No matter what formation I tried, 4-2-2-2, 4-3-3, 3-5-2 or 5-3-2, it is all are about that particular problem.

 

[jMz]

I tried your 2-6-2-formation the other night and I must say it's not that bad
I expected a lot of deadly counters against those two poor lonely defenders ( ) but apart from the very begin things work well. The SMF's and DMF's were back in time to assist, so it it a good surprise package

My problem seems to be switching from defense to attack; somewhere at the edge of the penaltybox I win the ball, but all my players are on my own half, apart from the two strikers, who are just at the other half, but marked by three defenders. Even if I choosed to pass to them, I would not succeed, because I only can try to reach them with a long ball, and most of the time that pass will be intercepted (yes, I move the attacker towards the ball). The only option is try to hold the bal until my players have moved up. But that is risky when you are at the edge of your own penalty-area, especially with opponents who press a lot.
So here is my problem.... How do you build up properly when you win the ball deep at your own half?? No matter what formation I tried, 4-2-2-2, 4-3-3, 3-5-2 or 5-3-2, it is all are about that particular problem.

It's not bad at all, my favourite formation ever by a long way.

With the 2-6-2 I would normally make keeping the ball my main priority and build up slowly by passing around, unless I spot a free man up the pitch then I'll hit a long ground pass. The other team can't do anything if you have the ball all the time. It is risky playing around your penalty box, but you can get away with it and it looks cool. If they are pressing you, you can use it to your advantage by passing around or cutting them out with a nice trick. After a while you'll know where the person is going to chase, just turn around and buy a foul if you have no passing options.
The 2-6-2 works with the team moving as a unit, so there are always plenty of your players around to pass to. From your description it seems like you are rushing the play, take a bit more time and pick the right pass. It is a very patient formation.
If you like to whack it long and counter, try a 3-3-4 maybe, 2 wingers and 2 strikers, 3 center midfielders and a sweeper in your back 3.

 

[Han]

I think you are right about me rushing the play, but that is because I am chased.
With your new suggestions in mind I try some more games that way, thanks

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

One thing here I would like ask about. I have a problem When having multiple formations and change them during the game as you do with :L2: + :triangle:. When I do this in the game, the players are shuffeled in the wrong positions in the new formation. For example, if you have Beckham as a LW in formation 1 or 2, he might be RW or CF in formation 3. This is just an example I know it might not be the case with Beckham in your formation. In this case I have to go back to the formation menu and change the positions of my players to suite the new formation which spoils the the spontaneousness of changeing the formation!
is there a way to avoid this, or I just have to use players that can play in different positions?

Your best bet is to copy your original formation to A or B or both, then make the changes that you need to make from that. Maybe your using a template on Formation A and thats where your players are going into wrong positions. I use the formation change on A & B all the time and it works a treat

 

[jMz]

Your best bet is to copy your original formation to A or B or both, then make the changes that you need to make from that. Maybe your using a template on Formation A and thats where your players are going into wrong positions. I use the formation change on A & B all the time and it works a treat

Good call, I've tipped the same earlier in the thread.

Well people, I'm kinda running dry on new formations lately, since I discoverd the wonders of the 2-6-2, I am finding it hard to find something that will compete with it. After the weekend, (and lots of PES) I might be able to do something for Chelsea, Arsenal, France, Brazil and Classic Holland. Not promising mind, but the thread is due for a new formation.

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

Good call, I've tipped the same earlier in the thread.

Well people, I'm kinda running dry on new formations lately, since I discoverd the wonders of the 2-6-2, I am finding it hard to find something that will compete with it. After the weekend, (and lots of PES) I might be able to do something for Chelsea, Arsenal, France, Brazil and Classic Holland. Not promising mind, but the thread is due for a new formation.

4-2-2-2 turning into a 4-2-1-3. Thats the 1 I use helps to beat teams like Italy, Argentina, and Netherlands 7-0

 

[jMz]

4-2-2-2 turning into a 4-2-1-3. Thats the 1 I use helps to beat teams like Italy, Argentina, and Netherlands 7-0

On what difficulty level? (be honest)

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

On what difficulty level? (be honest)

6* I never play any less. otherwise there's no point. besides, they make it easy as they keep diving in and opening up gaps for me to exploit

Surely others have noticed this.

 

[jMz]

4-2-2-2 is possibly the most reliable formation going, but if you are beating the computer 7-0 on 6* you should give 2-6-2 a try, it'll add a bit of spice into the mix. It seems the game is too easy for you. I hadn't noticed them diving in cos most of my games are against my mates.

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

4-2-2-2 is possibly the most reliable formation going, but if you are beating the computer 7-0 on 6* you should give 2-6-2 a try, it'll add a bit of spice into the mix. It seems the game is too easy for you. I hadn't noticed them diving in cos most of my games are against my mates.

Cheers I'll give that a go

 

[observer]

Your best bet is to copy your original formation to A or B or both, then make the changes that you need to make from that. Maybe your using a template on Formation A and thats where your players are going into wrong positions. I use the formation change on A & B all the time and it works a treat

Thanks for the tip, mate. After loads of trials and errors, I am much better in changing formations now!
I noticed you play similar to my current formation 4*2*1*3. I have this as my original formation and, sometimes during the match, I switch, per jMz great suggesstions, to 2 6 2. I must say I started to like 2 6 2 a lot, though it is terribly risky.

4 2 1 3 is a very balanced formation, especially if you gave offensive arrows to your 2 DMFs. With this formation, I think you have it all.