"All new season, all new game" according to Konami
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Tech_Skill
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Okay, first of all, I really don't understand why you wants fewer directions for dribbling, it's like you are saying you want less control. lol. Its a step by step process, EA have come out and said this is just the beginning and they don't have time to put every innovation into one game, so by that, i think 360 degree dribbling is just the beginning. Its totally unheralded in modern day video gaming as far as I know, and if it was in pes2010, i know you would be very much looking forward to it. Allow me to explain........
The dribbling system has been completely re worked not only with the 360 dribbling system which allows mazy runs and allows you turn defenders inside out with more precision, but also a system I shall refer to a the 'one one system' very similar to what was in PES and also a much later version of ISS many years ago (cant remember the version) basically you get your player into one one situations on the wing for example with ronaldo where you can stand face on with a player and try to jig past him or fient or take him on for pace. There are sketchy details on that right now, but thats my understanding of it.
Fifa 09 got annoying because of defensive line height and the over the top balls being too accurate, they know this and reckon this has been corrected, game has been slowed down, it meant to be far harder to break down CPU defenses, and the game will place an emphasis on breaking teams down with more precise passing.
There are tonnes of things that are meant to be improved in FIFA10, (alot of them in the manager mode) im still waiting for more details on new leagues, improved lighting and atmosphere, Ball physics etc etc, again we shall know more for both games on june 5th.
I will say PES2010 might have the better graphics this year as fifa 10's screenshots dont look like a huge improvement at all. Personally I dont care about that too much, its about gameplay for me.
I wont even bother going into downloadable content which is yet another thing EA are gonna keep doing on fifa 10, hell you ca even download next years Liverpool kit for fifa 09 lol and a few others too.
Dont worry mate, it seems like they are working on on some good improvements, If i was you I would be way more worried about PES2010, no specific details on gameplay changes, so far all we have is a high res pic of messi and they are gonna put the europa league in it. They are also gonna put a bunch of shit back in it that they took away, (camera angles, la liga etc) to me, thats not a big deal, those ideas are not innovative, its just stuff they are re hashing.
Time to get worried. If pes 2010 has the 16 direction movement, to me, that's a good improvement and ill be very interested to see how this works.
As I have been saying since day one, people want more control, there is no excuses for CPU automated everything on these modern day consoles and this is why FIFA got ahead. The game that offers more realism and more control normally gets the plaudits. You know this. So why you think a game that can offer players a more expansive dribbling experience and open up different options for attacking and defending isn't a big deal I dont know.
Infact, forget what i say............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byjEn00qqhc
improvements...
The penalty system has to be improved as there is no skill involved at the moment. Konami have got to do something about auto challenges, how many times my player automatically gives away a penalty.
The crowd should definitely be improved to make it sound like they are actually watching the game, like reacting to shots, red cards, goals and that. And things like more chanting when their team is winning.
I would love to see more licensing but I know its not going to happen. A fully licensed Premiership would be brilliant.
The penalty system has to be improved as there is no skill involved at the moment. Konami have got to do something about auto challenges, how many times my player automatically gives away a penalty.
The crowd should definitely be improved to make it sound like they are actually watching the game, like reacting to shots, red cards, goals and that. And things like more chanting when their team is winning.
I would love to see more licensing but I know its not going to happen. A fully licensed Premiership would be brilliant.
Amateur
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The thing that concerns me about 360ª Movement is that it could be so and so precise and sensible, that it won't be as good as one would hope. Although of course, it could turn out to be great.
And it really sounds great, it sounds like the guys at EA know what they're doing... But my concern is that it could get so and so precise -that- it might turn out to be restrictive, because we will be so focused on dribbling that perhaps off-the-ball play will be overshadowed by the 360ª skill moves.
But my personal opinion is that I really don't see why 360ª movement is needed... I mean, perhaps for some specific animations/tricks it would be great to have 360ª movement.
However for Most Dribbling Moves, I really don't see why 360ª movement is necessary. When you dribble at high speeds you do not have 360% freedom. When you dribble slowly like Zidane and Riquelme, yeah in such situations you have more range of movement.
For the most part, I don't see how 360ª movement will make the game that much better.
I do reiterate, that I think 8-Directional Movement needs to go... it's too limited and restrictive. And I hope that PES 2010 will be 16-Directional or something like that, because 8 directions of movements is very restrictive. And FIFA09 showed us just how restrictive it is.
I think 360ª Passing and Shooting is more important than 360ª skill moves. But I guess we'll find out what we need to know soon enough.
wowie
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I actually dont have too many complaints about the penalty system or the crowd chants. In my games, the crowd very frequently boos the calls in favor of the away team.
Tech_Skill
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If the graphics in the trailer are going to be the game graphics, they look great.
But where is the gameplay spec.
If anyone has any gameplay info, let me know.
I want specific gameplay details, 60 secs of high res messi doesn't convince me.
But where is the gameplay spec.
If anyone has any gameplay info, let me know.
I want specific gameplay details, 60 secs of high res messi doesn't convince me.
Alolo91
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After all feedback they MUST release a Gameplay video to convince people. Many aren't happy about with the trailer.
Tech_Skill
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Bro ive just posted FIFA 10's gameplay specs and tons of information in the fifa 10 thread.
The list of improvements is unreal, looks bad for pes 2010.
The word is, 360 dribbling is the shit, seriously now, PES 2010 needs to tell people exactly what is going to be changed, proper game play spec needed.
The biggest mistake konami made was not coming on these forums and specfically asking for feedback, remember I said this when september rolls along.
Tech_Skill
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^To be fair, I DON'T BELIEVE EA'S WORD ON MENTIONING THE IMPROVEMENTS. They always lie to build the hype for their games.
I must play it to believe it.
The same improvements i was talking about last week? before they were even official, the one confirmed by independant newspaper journalists who have played the game?
Come on now.
Months ago i said konami made a huge mistake by not coming on these forum and tapping into the very knowledgeable fans on this site for feedback.
EA did.
I said that was gonna be the difference between the two games.
In the fifa 10 thread ive posted the full spec, plus 1st impressions.
Of course we have to see, but the word is, the 45-60% version of the game already destroys fifa 09.
Now even you have got to sit up, and look at that trailer konami realised, with that new tactics gage that already exists in fifa 09 in custom tactics, and got seriously worried.
Game is nearly up for konami.
I'll await the gameplay spec, and ill shall be fair to PES too.
Its very simple, Konami dont listen to the fans enough, lets see what they can do.
Amateur
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That's unexpected... I was expecting a harsher response from you.
To be honest, I'm very disappointed with it... 1st impressions are always important, and PES10 gives the impression of a PES09.5 update.
Great Graphics... there's no point in denying that -but- I'm not feeling the few Animations we've got to see. Which we can all agree, is The Top Priority with PES 2010.
This year I will probably have my 1st FIFA purchase after many years of ignoring it.
I have already made my mind up that I'm not playing another 8 Directional game, that's unacceptable for me. I've grown past that, 8 Directional is too outdated for Next Gen.
I think it's great, that at least FIFA10 will meet expectations... Perhaps we should not judge PES10 so early. I don't know, what I do know is that my interest for PES 2010 has gone right out the window.
So I'm pretty much as Unbiased as ever... and right now FIFA10 looks miles ahead. Hopefully we'll get a few surprises by October. Who knows. But FACTS speak louder than words.
Tech_Skill
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Read on, then you'll see my harsh response.
I'll wait for the gameplay spec, but im seriously worried for pes, im not seeing any specific gameplay details, all we see is some trailer, which doesnt say much, meanwhile ea has a playable version and full gameplay spec at e3, and the details are amazing.
Are konami being serious?
Amateur
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It's been 2 years in the making - Scrapped.
Early release - Scrapped.
200 New/additional guys working on the project - really? I don't notice much of a difference, and they are still just as awful with their promotional video clips, etc.
Why have Konami adopted this new method of "hiding" stuff?? Concerning, very concerning...
What can I say, that teaser is so disappointing that it managed to completely change my opinion. I was expecting more, and to be honest Konami has lost my interest, as a fan and customer.
Although I do feel a bit intrigued as well as concerned, about How Konami will respond to the criticism -that- they should have been expecting even before releasing that utterly disappointing teaser.
We'll see.
Early release - Scrapped.
200 New/additional guys working on the project - really? I don't notice much of a difference, and they are still just as awful with their promotional video clips, etc.
Why have Konami adopted this new method of "hiding" stuff?? Concerning, very concerning...
What can I say, that teaser is so disappointing that it managed to completely change my opinion. I was expecting more, and to be honest Konami has lost my interest, as a fan and customer.
Although I do feel a bit intrigued as well as concerned, about How Konami will respond to the criticism -that- they should have been expecting even before releasing that utterly disappointing teaser.
We'll see.
R9NALD9
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The game is nearly up for Konami...
I'm a huge PES fan, I've played every PES game from ps1 onwards...and last year was the first FIFA game I've bought since Fifa2000.
This trailer is concerning as hell, it's just all graphics and nothing else to get excited about (sounds like fifa versions 5 years ago). The tactics sliders is another point (and gimmick) showing that they are playing catchup to fifa. I really do believe unless PES has 360 degrees movement it will be the year that FIFA takes total control of the genre.
Where is the total new engine we were promised?
All we see year to year is graphic updates...even if Konami releases PES5 with the best graphics in the world I won't buy it. I want next gen, I want next gen presentation, next gen movement etc.
I'm a huge PES fan, I've played every PES game from ps1 onwards...and last year was the first FIFA game I've bought since Fifa2000.
This trailer is concerning as hell, it's just all graphics and nothing else to get excited about (sounds like fifa versions 5 years ago). The tactics sliders is another point (and gimmick) showing that they are playing catchup to fifa. I really do believe unless PES has 360 degrees movement it will be the year that FIFA takes total control of the genre.
Where is the total new engine we were promised?
All we see year to year is graphic updates...even if Konami releases PES5 with the best graphics in the world I won't buy it. I want next gen, I want next gen presentation, next gen movement etc.
Tech_Skill
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Last year was the clear indicator that PES was on the decline, FIFA ripped it off completley, but what they are doing now is building on the foundations pes set years ago, with new innovative twist, whilst pes hasnt done that.
But lets wait and see, pes does come out later than fifa anyways. I just think its alarming there no specific details on player movement and things like that, now surely if they existed konami would mention them now?
requiem7
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Can Seabass and Konami not communicate with the fans of Pes?
Like how fans of football manager has helped develop that series of games.
the fans of the game should have more say in the game. Although I don't think Seabass was happy with the last release. i enjoyed Pes on the PS2. But felt the pc versions were dumbed down in some way.
Like how fans of football manager has helped develop that series of games.
the fans of the game should have more say in the game. Although I don't think Seabass was happy with the last release. i enjoyed Pes on the PS2. But felt the pc versions were dumbed down in some way.
Tech_Skill
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Cos they are fucking stupid beyond belief.
This is how it works.
A Konami rep comes on here
Posts in a thread and says
"Hi Guys we are listening to all your suggestions, post them here"
This site would get huge traffic from people actually becoming members to pass on feedback
Then guys like amatuer and everyone else can post specific requests so these plums can understand how to make a proper game.
The End.
Alolo91
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http://www.hardgame2.com/ps3/ficha.html ... es/&page=1
Tech_Skill
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This is the thread you need, read it, ive have posted loads of gameplay details and specs throughout.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=70883
And yes, shooting from a distance has been improved, the power gage is now a two tier system, you can now do powerful low drives apparently.
Example
50% gage = Powerful Low drive
70%-100%= high drive
That's just to illustate how it works.
I mean, if EA aren't lying, and this shit actually makes a difference in the game, can you imagine?