brand new ps3 pic right here

[tom pain]

PLAYSTATION 3 SPECIFICATIONS

--Multi-way programmable parallel Floating point shader pipelines

Well thank god for that. For a moment I thought it would'nt have any of those.

Phew.

Anyway, they both look like amazing consoles and I don't see the need of arguing. One will be proven to be more powerful but at the end of the day it's all down to opinion.

So decide and shut up!
:tongue:

 

[Gun_Runner]

PS3 is twice as powerful as XBOX 360, I think the pads for PS3 actually look quite comfortable, adn even if they're not, there will be unofficial pads that get released which will be smaller in size and probbaly better so yuo could always buy one of them...
Love the way you can choose either a black, white or silver case for the PS3 ...haven't decided which ones nicer yet.

PS. Anyone know roughly when the PS3 will be released?

 

[deftonesmx17]

Anyone raving about the PS3 GFX, please name any real-time footage you have seen. Also, please name the first (and only) playable demo.

Don't worry I already expect the childish "you're and xbox fanboy" comments...........keep them to yourselves.

I just want to see how misinformed people are.

 

[Slash]

How would there be a playable demo when the PS3 isn't out yet??

 

[deftonesmx17]

How would there be a playable demo when the PS3 isn't out yet??

Did you really just say that?

To answer your question, the same way there was playable xbox 360 games at E3. There are things called devkits.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Anyone raving about the PS3 GFX, please name any real-time footage you have seen. Also, please name the first (and only) playable demo.

I don't want to start another "discussion" but I did see Sony F1 on a game show on bravo. I reckon they were realtime playable because the driving was a bit erratic, unless they've rendered a couple of laps trying really hard to make it look like a human driving !!

Wasn't EA Fight Night playable ? and I'm of the belief all the footage at E3 were scenes rendered real time, as in what they think the in-game graphics will look like on ps3 ! We'll just have to see if Sony get fined for lying like Microsoft did when they showed of the potential of xbox (faked at the time.)

 

[deftonesmx17]

Everything $ony showed at E3 was pre-rendered. There was an interview with Phil Harrison where he stated such. The only things that ran in real-time were the "lots of ducks" demo and Unreal 3.0 engine. Everything else was to spec, which really means nothing.

The whole point is both companies exaggerated. Like how none of the PS2 or Xbox games look as good as the tech demos that were shown to us at past E3's. At this point anyone claiming that one has better GFX is misinformed. We will have to wait for $ony to cough up more real-time games. It is no problem as they are to release six months behind M$. They are at the same point M$ was six months ago.

For the time being I wouldnt let a "show" be what leads you to believe in what we will get. That is all.

 

[Travis Bickle]

For the time being I wouldnt let a "show" be what leads you to believe in what we will get. That is all.

Like I said on another thread they had a racing game which i thought was for the ps2 that was actually for xbox360. Now I'm not slagging off the360 but as that console is closer to being released the graphics on show are more likely the capabilities of the next generation of consoles, and I wasn't impressed. They also had SonyF1 on there for ps3, it looked like what I thought a next gen title would look like, but as you are adamant in saying most ps3 stuff is conceptual, I'm not looking forward to any real footage.

Personally everything I saw at E3 was what I was expecting from the next generation of consoles, I watched practically all of the ps3 stuff and what I was told were the best bits fom xbox360. I walked away impressed, thinking that's what I'll be seeing next christmas. Then I get on the World Wide Web and its full of people just slagging it all off, saying it's all fake and pre-rendered on a top of the range pc. To me it seems like a natural progression of graphics, but it doesn't seem that way to anyone else.

 

[EMIN3M]

the pics look great i cant wait to get it im gonna start saving up now

 

[Singh]

Well thank god for that. For a moment I thought it would'nt have any of those.

Phew.

In computing, FLOPS is an abbreviation of floating point operations per second. This is used as a measure of a computer's performance, especially in fields of scientific calculations something like that.

 

[Gun_Runner]

When is the PS3 scheduled for release?

 

[-Deki-]

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[Slash]

I will defo be getting the PS3, will be miles better, the controller may look ugy but I bet it is very comfortable, just wait and see.

I don't think it looks as ugly now as I first thought... If you got it in black it wouldn't look so wierd. Does look comfortable though

Did you really just say that?

To answer your question, the same way there was playable xbox 360 games at E3. There are things called devkits.

Ooh right! How dumb am I? I shall read up on these "Devkits".

 

[deftonesmx17]

Then I get on the World Wide Web and its full of people just slagging it all off, saying it's all fake and pre-rendered on a top of the range pc. To me it seems like a natural progression of graphics, but it doesn't seem that way to anyone else.

Here, take this as an example as to why most people are slagging it off. I own an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro GFX chip for my PC. I can go to http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/r9800.html and download tech demos that run real-time on my GFX chip. Interesting part is how the Chimp one for example looks like the next gen console graphics. When I havent seen even a computer game with graphics that match ATI's tech demos. Other interesting part is when a game comes close to looking like that, it runs nowhere near the same framerate. Let alone the fact that my 9800 is how old now. Even my friends Athlon 64 system with a PCI-e ATI X850, will not run Half-Life 2 at more than 80fps with all setting at max(6x AA & 16x AF), and the X850 has more bandwidth than the Nvidia RSX.

The Nvidia "RSX" chip in the PS3 is nothing more than a high performance Geforce 7800, just as the NV2A chip in the xbox was a "Geforce 3.5". Nvidia is very lazy, don't expect any miracles from them. When was the last time their image quality ever match ATI's. Nvidia may sometimes make a faster chip, but have never had better image quality.

The 256MB RAM and 256MB GFX RAM is separated within the PS3 system. This will cause bottlenecks later in the console life. The Xbox 360 on the otherhand has 512 MB, which can be used at the developers discretion. Speaking of RAM, the 10MB eDRAM on the ATI chip in the xbox 360 gives it 4x Anti-aliasing for free. This means no jaggies, with almost zero impact in performance. The Nvidia RSX on the other hand does AA in the same manner as current PC GFX chips. It is all about the bandwidth of the GFX RAM. The bandwidth speed of the GDDR for RSX is not fast enough to provide 4x AA at 720p or 1080i, let alone 1080p, without a large impact in performance.

The Cell is not fun to program for. It is no easier than the Emotion-Engine in the PS2. The Emotionn-Engine is the worst platform to program for. Well step aside EE, the Cell is here now.

Look at the E3 1999 tech demos and shows for before the PS2. We never saw game that looked that good until now and only one IMO matched their quality. God of War hit that mark and nothing else made it to the bar set by $ony six years ago for the PS2 and the Emotion-Engine. I also love $ony's little names. EE.......Emotion-Engine..........RSX......Reality Synthesizer

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my 3 PS2's, but I did not enjoy buying 3 of them so they could die every other year. Unless $ony makes a system that can last, has great games, GFX, and works as a media center........I will just turn the other way. I am not going to take their false promises again. Am I the only one that remembers their big PS2 Online talk before the PS2's release? You know, you can send E-mail, store music for custom soundtracks on your HDD(that useless thing, but my xbox does this as promised, unlike $ony) talk to others via AIM. Where did all these promised features go...................

 

[Travis Bickle]

Alot of the features for ps2 you mentioned I thought actually happened on the Japanese market but they didn't promote them very well in the West, so it failed to make the transition.

Looked at that monkey demo, what I'm thinking is thats rendered in real-time but obviously it's a scene, as in the computer knows where the camera is going knows what part of the monkey and scenery is seen at a particular time. With games though because your moving the characters and camera and everything is in a reaction to your movement what sort of extra power/memory would it take to render at the monkey standard ?

Anyway I'm not that bothered about the graphics, I'm more bothered about the advancement in games, at the moment any game thats not a sports game or San Andreas seems so repetitive and gets boring in a short time. I want these whole worlds where you can do anything you want that I was promised 5 years ago ?

This is what I want click

Am i gonna see any changes in GAMES next generation ?

 

[deftonesmx17]

Well we can only hope for more realistic worlds. I find this as one reason why HL2 did very well and why I liked it. I havent really cared for a FPS since the good old days of Duke Nukem 3D, Half-Life 1 and Descent. HL2 changed that by giving me a world with physics and AI that wasnt stupid. I understand what you are saying, most games suck anymore. Why......because everyone wants GFX over gameplay when true gamers like you and I want a more realistic world. From what I have read, the CPU's in both systems are pretty stupid and are made for GFX. I guess we will have to wait and see what is brought to us by the developers. Everything is in their hands............we have seen with a couple of games as of late that the coding is more important than the hardware. Lets see how lazy they are this time around.

When is the PS3 scheduled for release?

Spring 2006 http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps3inspringimageleaked.shtml

 

[Hunter]

Alot of the features for ps2 you mentioned I thought actually happened on the Japanese market but they didn't promote them very well in the West, so it failed to make the transition.

Looked at that monkey demo, what I'm thinking is thats rendered in real-time but obviously it's a scene, as in the computer knows where the camera is going knows what part of the monkey and scenery is seen at a particular time. With games though because your moving the characters and camera and everything is in a reaction to your movement what sort of extra power/memory would it take to render at the monkey standard ?

Anyway I'm not that bothered about the graphics, I'm more bothered about the advancement in games, at the moment any game thats not a sports game or San Andreas seems so repetitive and gets boring in a short time. I want these whole worlds where you can do anything you want that I was promised 5 years ago ?

This is what I want click

Am i gonna see any changes in GAMES next generation ?

Excellent read.
Especially that website which took me about 30 minutes.