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Messi is great but his greatness is a product of the system and players he's surrounded by in Barcelona. What has he ever done on his National team? How many goals does he have for Argentina in World Cup play, Copa America play? I believe that answer is zero. As far as being overrated I think both players are overrated in the game, especially Ronaldo, he's a total beast!
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You are clueless, go watch Barca when Messi isn't playing. It doesn't happen often but when it does the team looks toothless, it looks like another good side but nothing special, its Messi who makes the team out of this world and the best by far atm.
As for International goals how many does Ronaldo have, what has he done on international stage?
International stage is overrated, period.
a Few matches every few years like World Cup is supposed to show who the best player is? How stupid is that srsly, if we picked like that then Forlan would be the worlds best player by far.
how about you add some of the most important attributes for soccer players that you left out aswell
Vision - Messi
Creativity - Messi
Decision making - Messi
Mentality - Messi
Technique - Messi
Shot accuracy and placing - Messi
Finishing - Equal
Positioning - Equal
Agility - Messi
Teamwork - Messi
And I absolutely disagree with you.
I think Ronaldo is a more complete striker because of his skillset ( 2 feet, heading, athleticism )
I also think Ronaldo is a better athlete.
But while Ronaldo is a more complete striker Messi is a more complete and better soccer player without a doubt, he is leading in mostly all the important aspects for that which are Technique, Soccer IQ, Dribbling , Playmaking/Passing, Shooting/Finishing.
relax with your personal attacks, did I not say he's great?? and NO its not true, Barca looks great even without Messi, they look worst when Xavi isn't there not Messi as does Spain....
Little theory? Get out. Most people will agree with me messi plays s*** for Argentina..... & he only scores @ Barcelona because he has such service around him! Unlike messi CR can carry a team. Also Messi only has 1 world cup goal, which throws his CL goals out the window. Also played horrible in south africa while CR did his best to help carry portugal in the group of death. :lol::lol:. Kids. Ah well.Messi plays far better for Argentina than CR does for Portugal tho... too bad ur little theory goes down the drain
Little theory? Get out. Most people will agree with me messi plays s*** for Argentina he only scores @ Barcelona because he has such service around him! Unlike messi CR can carry a team. Also Messi only has 1 world cup goal, which throws his CL goals out the window. Also played horrible in south africa while CR did his best to help carry portugal in the group of death. :lol::lol:. Kids. Ah well.
Theory huh, how about practice:
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Now show me Ronaldo's vid of his playing for Portugal trololol, what does he do besides score goals against village teams like north korea or Luxemburg.
Looks like your one of those ppl that never watch someone play for NT and then act all smart, but u got pwned serves u right.
Because based on those 40 goals people like you overrate him, yes 40 goals is a lot and yes it takes alot of skill tap ins or not, and yes Ronaldo is a wonderfull striker but no need to overrate his achievement.
And as far as your Xavi and Iniesta perfect passes , I think you are not watching Barca buddy.
Go check how many assists Messi got for his 53 goals last season and how many CR got, I can't remember the exact stats but I think it was something like 13 for Messi and over 25 for CR.
It used to be like this that messi needed assists to ramp up high goalscoring numbers like 3 years ago, since then Messi became more than twice the player he was while CR has stagnated and is not at the same level as he was at MU. Still a great goalscorer tho but he is overrated by some people who don't watch all his matches.
I watch all matches from RM and Barca and I can without any doubt say that Messi is so far ahead of Ronaldo nowadays it would be hard to believe.. I mean even his playmaking and passing has improved so vastly that I think only Fabregas and Xavi are superior in the Barca team, even Iniesta would have a hard time comparing..
messi can only dribble - his dribbling is impossible at how he can run full apeed with ball literally glued to his foot with defenders around him. But ronaldo has better goal technique than him - has messi ever scored an overhead or volley from the wings. For a goal scorer i'd go for ronaldo because of his power, accuracy and technique but for a winger or playmaker i'd choose messi because of his passing and close control. They are two different players and shouldn't be compared because they have their own playing style but c.ronaldo is the better all-rounder-
heading/jumping - ronaldo
dribbling/close control - messi
stamina - ronaldo
speed with the ball - messi
speed without the ball - ronaldo
set pieces/long shots - ronaldo
power - ronaldo
passing - messi
crossing/long pass - ronaldo
skills(unnecessary) - ronaldo
so ronaldo is the better all-round player but for a guy that keeps play moving or makes the difference in a match i'd have messi
Agreed.look just because messi can do a simple skill against crappy defences which ronaldo does 1000 times a macth whilst messi gets tackled, doesn't mean he is good. He is just lucky to have started off at barca
Messi's wife got online.I write in CAPS to prove a point btw, not to sound like I am mad or something.
As for the debate.
Anyone who says messi needs xavi and ineesta to do well, is speaking out of his ignorance He DOESN'T.
Look at how Barca play. Whenever they get into a difficult sitaution, who will they pass the ball to? Xave? NO. Iniesta? NO. It's Messi. They have faith in him for a reason as he can pull through many difficult situations.
Also have you watched any of the Barcelona games? If so, this argument fails because of what I said above. And also, HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HOW MANY ASSISTS MESSI CAN DO? How many perfect through and lofted through balls has he made?
Also, Messi does not play well with Argentina?
DO YOU WATCH THEIR GAMES? Just because he doesn't score, it doesn't mean that he plays bad. REMEMBER ALL THE ASSISTS IN THE LAST FEW GAMES? Assists count almost as goals because without the assists, there will be no goal.
Argentina play different so Messi can only shine with his through balls and passes.
But the argument here is that Messi does not need passes to shine, he can do it by himself with his incredible balance and close control.
Also Messi predictable? I do not think so. The defenders have the hardest of times dealing with him so HOW CAN THAT BE PREDICTABLE? If he cannot dribble past the defence, he will invent a lofted through ball. Argument over.
And also that's not true. you don't need assists to score goals, literally speaking there is something called a solo effort. Bring it all or don't come at all if you want to end an argument.I write in CAPS to prove a point btw, not to sound like I am mad or something.
As for the debate.
Anyone who says messi needs xavi and ineesta to do well, is speaking out of his ignorance He DOESN'T.
Look at how Barca play. Whenever they get into a difficult sitaution, who will they pass the ball to? Xave? NO. Iniesta? NO. It's Messi. They have faith in him for a reason as he can pull through many difficult situations.
Also have you watched any of the Barcelona games? If so, this argument fails because of what I said above. And also, HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HOW MANY ASSISTS MESSI CAN DO? How many perfect through and lofted through balls has he made?
Also, Messi does not play well with Argentina?
DO YOU WATCH THEIR GAMES? Just because he doesn't score, it doesn't mean that he plays bad. REMEMBER ALL THE ASSISTS IN THE LAST FEW GAMES? Assists count almost as goals because without the assists, there will be no goal.
Argentina play different so Messi can only shine with his through balls and passes.
But the argument here is that Messi does not need passes to shine, he can do it by himself with his incredible balance and close control.
Also Messi predictable? I do not think so. The defenders have the hardest of times dealing with him so HOW CAN THAT BE PREDICTABLE? If he cannot dribble past the defence, he will invent a lofted through ball. Argument over.
Messi's wife got online.