Can you convince me not to return this game?

[Effington]

Hey guys,

I had a long run (4+ seasons) with FIFA 11 this year and thought the game played fairly well. What prompted me to stop abruptly was that career mode had terrible progression/regression, and no youth players. I got to my 5th season and all decent players were in their 30's and regressing at a rapid rate. It was silly and destroyed the fun.

I picked up PES 11 because I heard the master league was the answer to this problem, with a dynamic and unpredictable youth league that can keep things fresh. Before going through the hassle of learning how to upload an option file and start my master league, though, I have been playing exhibitions to make sure I can get hang of the game. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed at the game play compared to FIFA. Enough minor nuances added up to where I'm probably going to return the game, as I have a seven day trial period. Here's what's bothering me:

* Passing lanes seem to always be open, even if the defender clearly has the angle cut off. This is both for CPU and human. While a lot of times passes are not completed to their target, I'm not sure I've ever cut off a pass, and I find myself completing a lot of passes that should have been cut off.
* When possessing the ball in my defensive half, there's virtually no pressure. Even if the CPU just turned the ball over, I'm easily able to get the ball to midfield, and in many cases I don't even need to pass the ball to do so.
* Related to the above note, my defense is almost never challenged when possessing the ball. They're able to dribble all over the field, and often I'm able to get into the attacking third without ever passing.
* Offsides: My offensive players are always offsides. I've had excruciating games where every attack for an entire half, and 80% of all game, my players are called for off-sides.
* Camera angle: It's off just enough to throw me off and make angles awkward. (Not a big deal and probably fades away over time)
* Player positioning: Everyone seems to be bunched in the middle, especially in the midfield. Defenders spread out well, though. In FIFA players were much more spread out and made ball movement much easier. PES seems to encourage more dribbling and less passing.
* Player models: Players are much smaller in PES than in FIFA, making the field look much bigger. (Not a big deal)
* Shooting: Shooting trigger is ridiculously sensitive. Anything over a tap sends it flying, and even when playing with Wayne Rooney, I can tap the shoot button and it's a rocket to the upper 90, even with the accuracy (R2) button.
* Build-up play: Essentially nonexistent. When I get the ball with my defenders, the best way to move the ball is simply dribbling up the field, or maybe switch it around with my defense. My midfield bunch in the middle and my forwards are offsides...

It's not all terrible, though. Here are the things that I really like about the game:

* Player movement: Much smoother than FIFA. I like how players trap and move with the ball. One thing I hate about FIFA is that players often don't move for the ball, and if you try and change directions with the ball, you freeze for several seconds and allow the defense to take it.
* Player individuality / Personality +: Much better in PES. Playing with Messi, I can almost always dribble at least one player and create chances. In FIFA, I don't even attempt to take someone 1v1 because I always fail. Almost overdone; Messi is not a god, and shouldn't be able to beat people all game long.

I realize the game won't play like FIFA and it's definitely a good thing that they feel completely different. However, I feel that the negatives are worse in PES, which I was not expecting!

 

[iamcanadianeh]

I think it's a matter of perspective. I find much much more in the negative column when I play Fifa 11 after having played a lot of PES 2011.

So it's up to you really. One thing I'll say though is that I do think it's realistic for players to regress after the age of 30. I don't see how that's a good reason to switch games if you were enjoying Fifa.

Another thing to add though, is that I'm not enjoying the PES AI much this year. Too easy, although far from unplayable. I'm just so addicted to MLO right now that I could care less about all the other modes. Before you return PES, if you're still planning to, you should give Master League Online a crack. Well worth the price of addmission IMO.

 

[James_dean]

If you don´t like the game then you should return it. The basic difference between Fifa and Pes in my view is that only Pes does get near a real football match (though a bit far away) and Fifa, it just doesnt feel like football, it´s too simple and shallow. EA can at least proudly say that they invented a new sport
We can only hope that 2011 will be a better year.

 

[cjkinger]

LOL, convince you?? Really?? How bout this: I don't care what you do! If you have to make a thread with this title, there's your answer: get rid of it!

 

[Ali]

Mr Effington, I agree with some of the things you say, especially the bit about the player models, which I was actually thinking of the other day.
It depends what you want though. For me, when played properly, PES is by far the better football game. When you score a wonderful Bolton-esq goal, it's fantastic. Fifa is all the same, every goal is a one-on-one. It may take you a while to get used to it, especially if you are normally a Fifa player, but give it chance.

 

[Gravy]

I was going to ask what difficulty you were playing on? On the higher difficulties you won't be dribbling upfield with your defender never mind the final 3rd, sadly as with all pes's you only get close to decent ai if you put it onto the harder settings. Also related to that is team mentalities if your a big team say Man U and your playing stoke at home, they drop deep and stop you getting behind them, where as if you play a decent team in their own backyard expect to have the game taken to you with more pressing. Its a lot more evident in this years than before.

PES offers a lot more depth to the game to keep you playing, than fifa, something that when people play for a short period of time like for reviews etc they fail to pick up on.

Sounds to me like your playing on normal difficulty.

Other than that im pretty sure if you've decided to take it back then you'll do so.

 

[ads]

If it helps your decision (I'm not entirely sure it will do, but I thought I'd contribute anyway) - I'm in exactly the same boat as you.

I had been a HUGE PES fan for 8-9 years before it came to current gen consoles and I found it to be dreadfully weak. I bought FIFA 09 and loved it, I then bought FIFA 10 and loved it, then in October I bought FIFA 11 and liked it. The exhibition games were fun, as was playing family online, but the game mode I always spend my time on in football games is the Career/Manager Mode. In FIFA 11 it is appalling. They've removed features from previous versions which is ridiculous, and the player growth system is utterly shite. There is just absolutely zero longevity in the Career Mode.

Last night I took FIFA 11 to my local Gamestation and traded it against PES 2011. First time I'd played PES for three years.

The first game was awkward. It felt too easy (granted, I was playing on Amateur) and I was able to win 2-0. I found it difficult to score though which was a nice change from FIFA. The next few games offered a bit of improvement. I slowly began to enjoy PES again. I played about 12-14 games last night in total and I reluctantly turned it off to go to bed. I've still got so much to learn on it and as one of the replies above said, some of the passing moves can be incredibly rewarding when pulled off.

It's going to take a good couple of weeks to get used to it and stop comparing bits of the gameplay to FIFA but after the disgrace that was the Career Mode in FIFA 11 and EA's focus on Ultimate Team (another money making venture) rather than fixing the game-killing bugs in Career Mode I am completely 110% determined to fall back in love with PES.

If I was to offer you one piece of advice it would be this: Give it time.

I'm sure if you do (like I plan to) we'll both be massively rewarded and glad we did.

Good luck bro.

 

[Effington]

Yeah, I was on the middle difficulty...

 

[Steve Justice]

I find the build up play is brilliant in PES and out shines FIFA in that respect. I've actually sat back in wonder at how brilliant it can be sometimes.

The only thing I have problems with is when I pass, the ball ricochets of the receiving player. I can't seem to keep it in control once received. Any advice on that?

 

[Gravy]

I find the build up play is brilliant in PES and out shines FIFA in that respect. I've actually sat back in wonder at how brilliant it can be sometimes.

The only thing I have problems with is when I pass, the ball ricochets of the receiving player. I can't seem to keep it in control once received. Any advice on that?

Slow the passes down ? If your hitting them hard and tha receivers just next to you your going to have control problems other than that, first touch as in what direction you press as you recieve the ball plays a big part. Also depends on the player if your playing ML default players you can understand that some passes are going to be badly controlled now and then if your playing as barca your doing it wrong.

@Effington Try out the higher difficulties see if you notice a difference.

In my opinion this years PES is a slow grower but your rewarded if you stick with it.

 

[captain_bert]

I havent read any of this thread apart from the title, but serious question, can you actually return games if you just dont like them? Without any damage or fault with the disc? Surely this would be a massive flaw for shops?

 

[Halfrax2]

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed at the game play compared to FIFA.

You won't be, if you stick with it. The phrase you'll hear more often than any other when it comes to PES2011 is "learning curve".

Something that doesn't do this version of PES any favours is that when you play it badly, it looks like shit. That's not supposed to be some kind of dig at you, it's just a fact - it takes a while to grasp the fundamentals (Konami don't help with their useless manual) and until you work out what does what, and basically how to roll with the game, it gives the impression of being a disaster.

That's why FIFA fans often give it a few hours and walk away laughing. When you first fire up FIFA 11, even if you're not used to the game, it looks smooth and beautiful and everything seems to make sense. The game flows, and even if you can't score you'll produce something that looks like football. PES isn't like that. When you're new to the game, it looks clumsy and unnatural - not even like badly-played football, just something very weird and silly. This is more to do with learning the basics than being "good" at the game, because when you're brand new to it, even if you play on a low difficulty something doesn't feel right.

The fact is, you have to become comfortable with the game (and move up to a higher difficulty level) before it reveals itself. It's a much deeper and more subtle game than FIFA, and it rewards patience and dedication. The little subtleties are what make it flow and make it so like real football, and until you've got them under your control it just won't click. I'm not whitewashing the game - there are LOTS of flaws. But stick with it and assuming you know a bit about real football (which you seem to from your post), you'll get it sooner or later.

* Passing lanes seem to always be open, even if the defender clearly has the angle cut off. This is both for CPU and human. While a lot of times passes are not completed to their target, I'm not sure I've ever cut off a pass, and I find myself completing a lot of passes that should have been cut off.

This isn't an issue on the two highest difficulty levels. The cpu will intercept loose passes, and when you get quick and precise you can intercept theirs. The lower levels on PES are basically for kids to play, but it's poorly judged, really. FIFA is a much better pick-up-and-play game for kids and non-football-fans. PES on easy levels is a bit of a shambles. You should stay on the middle difficulty just until you've grasped the basics (first touch, close control, the passing and shooting system) and then move up. Top Player isn't as intimidating as the top level of FIFA, where you just get steamrollered by overpowered AI teams - it's actually the most realistic setting, and allows you to play better football. You don't have to jump straight to Top Player, but you should move up through the levels as quickly as possible. The leap in difficulty isn't so huge, it's more a leap of sophistication.

* When possessing the ball in my defensive half, there's virtually no pressure. Even if the CPU just turned the ball over, I'm easily able to get the ball to midfield, and in many cases I don't even need to pass the ball to do so.

This might depend on the opposition's tactical settings. It's worth editing team management settings in edit mode, because Konami have been lazy and too many sides play in an inappropriate way. Anyway, if they're set up to sit back, they won't pressure you much until you're in their half - then they'll try to hit you on the break. Plenty of sides do this in real life, let's face it.

This has been improved with the recent Konami patch, anyway. Teams press a bit higher up the pitch now, at least when they have the right settings. But unless you're playing against a team which uses a lot of pressing, they may well leave you alone until the halfway line (unless they're pushing for an equaliser).

* Related to the above note, my defense is almost never challenged when possessing the ball. They're able to dribble all over the field, and often I'm able to get into the attacking third without ever passing.

Again, this is largely to do with the difficulty setting. Have you ever seen the lowest level? AI players don't tackle you at all. That's what I call easy. They start to wake up a bit on higher levels.

Bear in mind also that the other side still might just be sitting back, marking your other players, so that when you do try to pass, there aren't many options.

* Offsides: My offensive players are always offsides. I've had excruciating games where every attack for an entire half, and 80% of all game, my players are called for off-sides.

Yup. No argument here. It's one of the most annoying things about the game. Told you it had flaws.

You can minimise this a bit by playing more of a close-passing game (or releasing the through ball a bit earlier), but I agree, it's crap. It becomes less of an issue, though, as you get more comfortable with your game. Certainly it doesn't hinder the freedom of my play, it's just an occasional annoyance. You will notice that 80% dropping to about 15% in time. Still too much, but not a dealbreaker.

* Camera angle: It's off just enough to throw me off and make angles awkward. (Not a big deal and probably fades away over time)

Yeah, it does. That's a moving-from-FIFA issue. Quite understandable, but you'll get used to it soon and start to understand the angles instinctively.

* Player positioning: Everyone seems to be bunched in the middle, especially in the midfield. Defenders spread out well, though. In FIFA players were much more spread out and made ball movement much easier. PES seems to encourage more dribbling and less passing.

Not sure I agree with the last sentence - in fact, lots of passing is the key to spreading out your players. Play one-twos as you go up the pitch (use them to make triangles, rather than just one-two-one-two in a straight line) and it will create space and encourage players to move. You often have to beat at least one man to get that chance opening up, but that's normal (beating a man can just mean sidestepping a tackle, not necessarily some crazy dribbling).

If this stuff is still a problem, go into the management options in Game Plan and set Support Range to a "wide" number. That should open them out a bit. In the meantime, there's usually an "out" if you look to the wing, either a winger or an overlapping full back. Generally, I quite like the way players don't spread out too much - seems more realistic and encourages close passing. You can change it in the settings, though.

* Player models: Players are much smaller in PES than in FIFA, making the field look much bigger. (Not a big deal)

This is a great thing! PES gets the proportions right - in FIFA the players are far too big and the pitch is far too small, which can be restricting as well as looking wrong. Bigger pitch = more freedom. Bigger pitch = more thought required.

* Shooting: Shooting trigger is ridiculously sensitive. Anything over a tap sends it flying, and even when playing with Wayne Rooney, I can tap the shoot button and it's a rocket to the upper 90, even with the accuracy (R2) button.

The shooting is very different to FIFA, and seems a bit counter-intuitive at first because the range of "accurate" shots occupy such a small part of the power/height gauge. That's deliberate though - it means scoring isn't just a formality whenever you're anywhere near goal.

Main thing is, you have to be precise. The other thing to bear in mind is that shooting is VERY much affected by position, balance, timing (in relation to foot placement), strong or weak foot, the amount of pressure the player is under, etc. If you're sprinting and don't slow down, the shot will be too wild unless you time it perfectly. If someone's leaning on you, the shot will be inaccurate unless you shake them off or you get lucky. And so on. Takes some getting used to.

Not really any tips I can give you - all I know is that none of the experienced PES players I know have any complaints about the shooting. Once you get used to it, it's very rewarding.

* Build-up play: Essentially nonexistent. When I get the ball with my defenders, the best way to move the ball is simply dribbling up the field, or maybe switch it around with my defense. My midfield bunch in the middle and my forwards are offsides...

There will always be at least one player to pass to. Build-up play is actually one of PES' strengths (certainly compared to FIFA, where you can pass it around all day but not necessarily get anywhere). The relative lack of player runs is an irritation, and makes things harder, but if you move the ball intelligently you will be rewarded.

Sounds like you're having real issues with a bunched midfield - what teams have you been playing with? What are their management settings? Try a different formation for a while - maybe a 4-3-3 with wide forwards, a central striker who drops deep and three central midfielders spread across the pitch. But in all honesty, you can probably play the most lovely football with a very narrow formation, so again I guess it's just a matter of perseverance.

All I can say is, I've played FIFA and PES extensively, and the kind of football you can play on PES is just light years ahead, completely different game - it just takes a bit of getting used to, then like magic it begins to open out.

It's not all terrible, though. Here are the things that I really like about the game:

* Player movement: Much smoother than FIFA. I like how players trap and move with the ball. One thing I hate about FIFA is that players often don't move for the ball, and if you try and change directions with the ball, you freeze for several seconds and allow the defense to take it.

The close control system is great, yeah. Three different ways to trap the ball, hundreds of ways to move and jink. The animations aren't always the best, obviously, and Konami should have done better here - but in their defence, with all the gameplay possibilities in PES, you'd need an extra 500,000 animations to make everything look completely smooth.

* Player individuality / Personality +: Much better in PES. Playing with Messi, I can almost always dribble at least one player and create chances. In FIFA, I don't even attempt to take someone 1v1 because I always fail. Almost overdone; Messi is not a god, and shouldn't be able to beat people all game long.

Again, step up the difficulty and he won't be doing that.

I realize the game won't play like FIFA and it's definitely a good thing that they feel completely different. However, I feel that the negatives are worse in PES, which I was not expecting!

The funny thing is, I'm not sure many of the things you've listed really are the actual negatives (apart from that "offside forwards" thing). You're lucky that you're coming to the game after the 1.02 patch (I certainly hope you've upgraded to that), because it fixes a lot of issues - before the patch the cursor switching was just unbelievably bad, and it's still not perfect. The computer teams' AI isn't as sophisticated as it could be, in terms of individual players' movement - although again, it's been improved by the patch, and they can be pretty tricky on Top Player now.

Most of the things you mention are partly "culture shock", I think - things which maybe could be improved, but which seem weirder to you than they really are because you've come from FIFA, where those things are done differently (and not always as realistically).

This game doesn't do itself any favours, as I say, because it's so weird and unforgiving for new players. Even if you win, it can feel lumpy and restricted. The good news is, if you keep playing, keep thinking football, getting more and more fluent, you will realise that in fact it's pretty great. You don't sound like the sort of dumb kid who'd be better off with FIFA (which is much more fun for people who don't want to put any work in), so you probably owe it to yourself to complete the apprenticeship.

Whatever, don't return the game. At least keep hold of it and have a go occasionally. It might creep up on you.

 

[Montanaro]

Don't do it!!!

Enough convincing?

 

[LOL-ness]

I mainly agree with what Halfrax2 is saying. Seems like most of the issues you have is down to the AI difficulty level and your team tactics. Try to move the sliders about and increase difficulty level and see what you get.

I am surprised you didn't find cursor change to be an issue though, cos that is the most widely complained issue at the moment.

 

[Amateur]

Hey guys,

I had a long run (4+ seasons) with FIFA 11 this year and thought the game played fairly well. What prompted me to stop abruptly was that career mode had terrible progression/regression, and no youth players. I got to my 5th season and all decent players were in their 30's and regressing at a rapid rate. It was silly and destroyed the fun.

I picked up PES 11 because I heard the master league was the answer to this problem, with a dynamic and unpredictable youth league that can keep things fresh. Before going through the hassle of learning how to upload an option file and start my master league, though, I have been playing exhibitions to make sure I can get hang of the game. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed at the game play compared to FIFA. Enough minor nuances added up to where I'm probably going to return the game, as I have a seven day trial period. Here's what's bothering me:

* Passing lanes seem to always be open, even if the defender clearly has the angle cut off. This is both for CPU and human. While a lot of times passes are not completed to their target, I'm not sure I've ever cut off a pass, and I find myself completing a lot of passes that should have been cut off.
* When possessing the ball in my defensive half, there's virtually no pressure. Even if the CPU just turned the ball over, I'm easily able to get the ball to midfield, and in many cases I don't even need to pass the ball to do so.
* Related to the above note, my defense is almost never challenged when possessing the ball. They're able to dribble all over the field, and often I'm able to get into the attacking third without ever passing.
* Offsides: My offensive players are always offsides. I've had excruciating games where every attack for an entire half, and 80% of all game, my players are called for off-sides.
* Camera angle: It's off just enough to throw me off and make angles awkward. (Not a big deal and probably fades away over time)
* Player positioning: Everyone seems to be bunched in the middle, especially in the midfield. Defenders spread out well, though. In FIFA players were much more spread out and made ball movement much easier. PES seems to encourage more dribbling and less passing.
* Player models: Players are much smaller in PES than in FIFA, making the field look much bigger. (Not a big deal)
* Shooting: Shooting trigger is ridiculously sensitive. Anything over a tap sends it flying, and even when playing with Wayne Rooney, I can tap the shoot button and it's a rocket to the upper 90, even with the accuracy (R2) button.
* Build-up play: Essentially nonexistent. When I get the ball with my defenders, the best way to move the ball is simply dribbling up the field, or maybe switch it around with my defense. My midfield bunch in the middle and my forwards are offsides...

It's not all terrible, though. Here are the things that I really like about the game:

* Player movement: Much smoother than FIFA. I like how players trap and move with the ball. One thing I hate about FIFA is that players often don't move for the ball, and if you try and change directions with the ball, you freeze for several seconds and allow the defense to take it.
* Player individuality / Personality +: Much better in PES. Playing with Messi, I can almost always dribble at least one player and create chances. In FIFA, I don't even attempt to take someone 1v1 because I always fail. Almost overdone; Messi is not a god, and shouldn't be able to beat people all game long.

I realize the game won't play like FIFA and it's definitely a good thing that they feel completely different. However, I feel that the negatives are worse in PES, which I was not expecting!

I decided to return the game after a few weeks, because it's just not as entertaining as it was before, it is the best PES to date in certain respects, but after a decade of PES games, it's just not enough to keep me entertained: too little too late, that's my opinion regarding PES11.

If PES11 had been PES09, I would have enjoyed it a lot, but today, I'm just not entertained by the same old trick: it plays like more of the same, it is more of the same.




The killer-goal in my decision to return the game, is that the game is too USER FRIENDLY for my new found standards when it comes to video games:

1st -- simplistic: everything, dribbling, defending, passing, shooting, the lack of build up play, the excessive first-touch automatic play, the automatic running, everything.

2nd -- insubstantial, rush and push defensive system which has absolutely nothing to do with Football.

3rd -- very predictable and repetitive, because the defensive system is not designed to function in accordance to the movement and position of the ball: the defensive system functions in accordance to the movement of the left analogue stick but the functioning or usage of the left analogue stick is not determined by the movement and position of the ball.

3rd -- very predictable and repetitive, the defensive system is an insubstantial rush and push system similar to the one FIFA has used for the last three years: WHEN and WHERE the ball carrier passes the ball, will NEVER affect the direction in which the player without possession of the ball runs without the ball; you can hold the sprint button and direct the left analogue stick without ever worrying about WHEN the ball carrier passes the ball and WHERE the ball carrier passes the ball, because WHEN and WHERE the ball carrier passes the ball, does not determines the direction in which the player without possession of the ball will run without the ball.

3rd -- very predictable and repetitive, you can hold the SPRINT button and take a fast player such as Cristiano Ronaldo, and because WHEN and WHERE the ball carrier passes the ball does not affect the usage or functioning of the sprint button and of the left analogue stick, you can take fast players such as Cristiano Ronaldo and you can terrorize defenders or defensive midfielders by making yourself omnipresent: basically, running after the ball like a headless chicken who knows the exact position of all the players on the pitch. Therefore, turning the defensive side of the game, into an insubstantial and repetitive procedure where you are always reacting, always holding the sprint button and the left analogue stick, without ever thinking the way you should think when you play Football FROM A WIDE VIEW PERSPECTIVE.

4th -- automatic, in year 2010, and we still cannot determine or dictate movement without the ball, the movement without the ball is entirely dictated by the COM: so much for "engineered for freedom" when in fact you have zero control over the SCRIPT, and there is a SCRIPT, make no mistakes about that.

5th -- inaccurate, lack of precision when tackling and dribbling, due to how the left analogue stick (or d-pad) functions.

6th -- flawed: when taking spot-kicks, your opponent is allowed to move one player around in order to anticipate your move, but the problem is, the person whom is taking the spot-kick does not have manual control over any individual, and therefore the person whom is taking the spot-kick cannot counter the people who CHEAT by repetitively exploiting this flaw; forcing you into sending long balls because you know your opponent will intercept the obvious short pass to the player whom is closest to you.

6th -- flawed: classic example, your taking the ball out with the GK, you send a short ground pass to the defender in front of you, your opponent CHEATED by anticipating your OBVIOUS pass, the forward intercepts the pass that was intended to reach the center back, and then the forward scores a very easy goal.

7th -- flawed: the cursor change, it was very unreliable, and decided the outcomes of quite a few online matches.

8th -- outdated; you can cover distances of over 50 feet by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of the sprint button, you can run without the assistance of a running button, you direct the left analogue stick with the intention of passing the ball but (hey) this triggered running animations which directly affected the passing angle when all you wanted was to direct the pass without affecting your position on the pitch: too sensitive for the lack of precision or accuracy it offers.

9th -- bottom line: above all, a very simplistic video game, to the point it bores the hell out of me after five games.




Having said that, your expectation or opinion is completely different to mine, considering the reasons why you decided to try PES: Master League -- it has absolutely nothing to do with gameplay.

It's cool to have a Master League, or a career mode with excellent progression and regression; but honestly, that's the last thing I complain about when I'm very disappointed with the lack of progress in terms of gameplay after a decade of PES and FIFA games.

As for your points regarding PES and FIFA, I agree with a few of your points but disagree with most of them; most of your points are about how the game plays, it's very subjective, because where PES has either strikers offsides or stoned strikers who refuse to make the obvious run, FIFA has responsive strikers who make the right run at the right time all the time resulting in excessive one-on-one situations against the goalkeeper: you are criticizing how the game plays, these "flaws" or byproducts need to be there, these flaws or byproducts exist due to fundamental flaws or restrictions, EA Sports (FIFA) and Konami (PES) have the same fundamental problem but they hide it or disguise it by using different techniques.

So considering your reasons for trying PES, and considering the fact that you come fresh from playing FIFA games: I would suggest that you don't return it just yet, and that you try to allow the game to grow on you, before making a rushed decision. In any case, you will always find that PES has that little bit more depth.

 

[Stormrider]

Yeah, I was on the middle difficulty...

This gave me a chuckle. Complaining about the computer being too easy yet not bothering to try a higher level.

 

[TheHig]

This gave me a chuckle. Complaining about the computer being too easy yet not bothering to try a higher level.

I know, and most of hid problems would be solved by playing on Top Player

 

[Halfrax2]

Be fair though, if you're just learning a game and trying to get to grips with it (for all we know he might still be losing every match, considering he hasn't worked out the shooting yet) you don't usually think "oh I know, I'll put it on the hardest difficulty level, that'll be fun."

 

[TheHig]

Be fair though, if you're just learning a game and trying to get to grips with it (for all we know he might still be losing every match, considering he hasn't worked out the shooting yet) you don't usually think "oh I know, I'll put it on the hardest difficulty level, that'll be fun."

I've always done that with Football games, from the my first game on any PES or FIFA I have started off at the highest difficulty setting.
Just the way I am, FIFA and PES are should not be judged until they have been played at max difficulty.

 

[Montanaro]

I always play every game at highest difficulty.

1. don't sell yourself short
2. You'll be better off for it.