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ShevaCheva

Registered User
bagrunnell said:
Im sorry, but having looked at what you did to the stats, I can see two possibilities;

Firstly, judjing by your CP, you are a huge sheva fan and have the need to make him better

secondly, you dont have correct standards.


Now I am by no means knocking you here, and certainly not insulting you. But I have to say that I see this all the time. You wuoldnt believe how many messages I get from United fans saying Carraghers overrated, or Liverpool fans saying that Rooney needs to be lowered. It is bias and it is very common, and it would seem to me that you have it to. I still cant believe you think he is underrated though, as he has very high values in lots of categories, but still.....

And I am willing to bet that you have a very poor idea of where the correct 'standard' lies, and what certain values represent ingame. For example, you have given him short pass accuracy of 80. Do you realise what this will enable him to do in the game? This is a perfect example of what I was mentioning earlier about people not knowing what correct standards are. And you say that 86 i shot power is low?:shocking: Do you realise how hard a player can hit a ball wih 86 shot power? And as for him having 94 for acceleration, I have to say that that is ridiculous. Like I said, do you know what players with a value of even 75 are capable of? A player with 75 short pass accuracy can play defence cutting through balls, 76 for shot accuracy can put the ball in top corner from 25 yards. Just because a value is not yellow or red, a lot of people view it as rubbish. I see it all the time.
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Ok maybe you are right about some things. I am Ukrainian and I love sheva as well as the Ukrainian football team. I seen sheva play most of his 7 years at Milan and at Dynamo Kiev. When he was younger he was very fast both in terms of speed.acceleration and dribbling speed. Now that he is turning 29 in Sept and not 30 yet like you pointed out in your picture. Which I might add your face detail was great. Looks exactly like him. Sheva has great passing ablitiy and a value of 72 is just to low. I would agree on 75 to 80. I do not realize what a value of 80 would let a player do but maybe you can explain it to me? Sheva shot power is definitely in 90 plus range so I won't take that back. Sheva hits the ball very hard. I seen him hit a 40 yard freekick with a lot of power and If you watched some of his Serie A games. His long range shots have a lot power behind the ball maybe not as much Adriano but definitely up there. Acceleration I still disagree with you because I know for fact sheva has very fast first steps. It should definitely be 90+ range. Plus you gave him very low dribbling stats. Sheva can do step overs,roulette's, and has great pace with the ball at his feet.

Just watch this highlight against Lyon. Do you see how fast sheva got to that back pass. A 81 acceleration rate for that is ridiculous. I am also going to try out your stat sheva and see how he plays compared to mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHARK-YWuIg
 
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bagrunnell

Registered User
I know Andrei can do stepovers tricks. I have been watching him for many seasons just like you, otherwise I would not have been able to do these stats. I know he can do the tricks and stuff, thats why I gave him the values I did. Do you honestly consider 86 technique to be low? Do you really believe that 83 dribble accuracy is a low value? This is EXACTLY what I mean about wrong standards. Anybody else who is reading this, take note. You need to know exactly what the difference is between a value of 75 and 85, 65 and 75, 85 and 95. And what each of these values will dictate in game. Stat editing isnt just about recognising features of a player, thats probably the easiest part to it. The hardest part, and the part where many people go wrong is translating these features into the game. So you are very right in pointng out that Sheva has good tricks and things. But because you dont have proper understanding of exactly what each stat does, and more importantly what certain values of that stat dictate, you have given him too high. (Actually 90 for technique is only slightly over what I would accept. 88 would be my highest probably) This is true of many of your alterations. You have recognised that Sheva has decent passing. I have given him 72 for short pass accuracy, and this value is going to allow him to pass the ball around merrily and nicely just like he does in real life, but every so often he might misplace one, JUST like he does in real life. But as you have wrong standards, which is true of many people, you have given him short pass accuracy of 80, which is very wrong. With that value, he will be able to play defence splitting through balls all the time, put the ball around very accurately and sharply. Just like with a value of 80 shot accuracy you can put the ball in the corners nicely, place shots accurately. You say that his dribbling stats are low, but they are really very high! With a value of 83 for accuracy, he will be able to dribble round to a very high standard. Now for the acceleration issue. 94 is simply far too high, there is know two ways about it. Do you honestly believe he has faster acceleration that players like Robben or Messi. If you put Henry and Shevchenko together would you expect Andrei to accelerate as fast as Henry? Because if you have Shevchenko at 94 and Henry at 96 you would pretty much expect that. It is just far too high and completely unrealistic, im sorry. With a value of 81, he will still have great acceleration and that is what you dont see.

Like I said, you have recognised a lot of stuff about Andrei, even though you still have that slight overrating, which is understandable. But you have struggled to translate these features into the game as you have the wrong standards, which is what I am trying emphasis.
 
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ShevaCheva

Registered User
bagrunnell said:
I know Andrei can do stepovers tricks. I have been watching him for many seasons just like you, otherwise I would not have been able to do these stats. I know he can do the tricks and stuff, thats why I gave him the values I did. Do you honestly consider 86 technique to be low? Do you really believe that 83 dribble accuracy is a low value? This is EXACTLY what I mean about wrong standards. Anybody else who is reading this, take note. You need to know exactly what the difference is between a value of 75 and 85, 65 and 75, 85 and 95. And what each of these values will dictate in game. Stat editing isnt just about recognising features of a player, thats probably the easiest part to it. The hardest part, and the part where many people go wrong is translating these features into the game. So you are very right in pointng out that Sheva has good tricks and things. But because you dont have proper understanding of exactly what each stat does, and more importantly what certain values of that stat dictate, you have given him too high. (Actually 90 for technique is only slightly over what I would accept. 88 would be my highest probably) This is true of many of your alterations. You have recognised that Sheva has decent passing. I have given him 72 for short pass accuracy, and this value is going to allow him to pass the ball around merrily and nicely just like he does in real life, but every so often he might misplace one, JUST like he does in real life. But as you have wrong standards, which is true of many people, you have given him short pass accuracy of 80, which is very wrong. With that value, he will be able to play defence splitting through balls all the time, put the ball around very accurately and sharply. Just like with a value of 80 shot accuracy you can put the ball in the corners nicely, place shots accurately. You say that his dribbling stats are low, but they are really very high! With a value of 83 for accuracy, he will be able to dribble round to a very high standard. Now for the acceleration issue. 94 is simply far too high, there is know two ways about it. Do you honestly believe he has faster acceleration that players like Robben or Messi. If you put Henry and Shevchenko together would you expect Andrei to accelerate as fast as Henry? Because if you have Shevchenko at 94 and Henry at 96 you would pretty much expect that. It is just far too high and completely unrealistic, im sorry. With a value of 81, he will still have great acceleration and that is what you dont see.

Like I said, you have recognised a lot of stuff about Andrei, even though you still have that slight overrating, which is understandable. But you have struggled to translate these features into the game as you have the wrong standards, which is what I am trying emphasis.
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I will continue this debate with you a bit later. I gotta hit the surf.

Peace.
 
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jeaneluap

Registered User
This thread is amazing!!

Hey all. Firstly this is just a brilliant thread. Cheers to everyone for maintaining such a high standard of dialogue and knowledge. I'm an American so "soccer" is never well promoted but this World Cup definitely caught my attention and now I can't get enough of the beautiful game. I recently went to a FC Barcelona vs New York RedBulls game and it was an unbelievable experience! The sense of community that football fans share is unparalleled by any other sport and that feeling is definitely evident in this thread. Bagrunnell you are simply brilliant! Your knowledge of the game (both the video game and football itself) is very, very impressive. KONAMI should have hired you to help improve this already stellar franchise. Anyways, bags, I know you're a busy man (I'm not even sure if you're back from France yet) but when you get the time could you do the stats for Dimitar Berbatov and/or Didier Zokora? They have been fabulous additions to Tottenham and they are sure to make noise this coming season. Thanks and keep up the good work!!!
 
Cali

Cali

Sin City
Firstly, welcome back Bags, it's really great to have you back, and im looking forward to some in-depth stats. Second thing is that I have now officially retired from doing appearences until PES6 comes out. So I am sorry, but there will be no more appearences on PES5 from me.
 
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theowalcott#32

Registered User
Cali said:
Firstly, welcome back Bags, it's really great to have you back, and im looking forward to some in-depth stats. Second thing is that I have now officially retired from doing appearences until PES6 comes out. So I am sorry, but there will be no more appearences on PES5 from me.
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:rolleyes:

How many times is that now Cali?
 
Cali

Cali

Sin City
Okay, I admit. I do mostly come out of retirement to do this and that but im not going to this time. I just see no point, because PES6 is like out in a couple of months. Fucking, hell. Gotta go, My back's killin' me and I have to go and see the pissing doctor tommorow, see ya, Theo....
 
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bagrunnell

Registered User
Ok Cali fair enough. Do you know if Timfen still does the editing, as I now use the PC version so I wont be doing faces anymore. Will still do physiques and everything though.

Oh and sorry I didnt photo shop Sheva, but mine has gone to rats and I cant seem to find a download anywhere. I dont suppose anyone has one do they?
 
ATH10

ATH10

Registered User
good to see you back bagz but dont you think sheva should have the penalties ability plus i think 88 is right for shot power
 
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bagrunnell

Registered User
If you think 88 for shot power is right then go for it. Thats probably the highest I would go though, so if you do tweak it I wouldnt go higher than that, as then we really would be overrating him.

Regarding the penalties star, I thought about giving him it, but I ended up not. He does take good penalties, but misses his share as well. With his shooting stats he will still take good penalties, but if you feel he should have the penalties star then give him it.
 
ATH10

ATH10

Registered User
yeah i upped his shot power because ive seen him hit some thumping shots in his time as for penalties its pretty much 50-50 but i decided to give it him
 
ferdinand93

ferdinand93

Registered User
hey bagz ur doin an excellent job in this thread, well done.
sorry about not carrying on with my bit in here.
anyway, keep up the good work and check out my new appearance thread.
see ya
 
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bagrunnell

Registered User
Like I said if you want to give him 88 thats fine. But if your judging it on 2-3 occasions, dont! I gave him 86 because with that value he will still will be able to hit those thumping shots you described which is exactly what I wanted when I updated him. But again, I feel 88 is ok, just dont go any higher because then it might start to get mis proportionate to other players.
 
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