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Demo 2 gameplay impressions

S-D-P

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Since we dont have a thread for gameplay impressions, I just wanted to post mine and maybe start some discussion. I played between 15-20 matches on pro difficulty zero pass support -2 game speed, just for the record I was someone who grew to love pes 2011 despite some poor flaws. I wont cover everything in this review just the things that jumped out at me.

The positives...

I feel the default pass with no pass assistance is excellent and allows more user input than pes 2011, the variation of each pass is superb and the animations match up to this, if you try to play a pass at mid height for example your player will adjust his position. Passing has a lovely weight to it and the individuality shines through without giving you a homing missile feel(ie the ball tracks the player unrealistically), the physics and animations match up very well to what you do with the controller. Through passes are also nice and seem to have more user input than last year where it felt a little to easy to find your target. Manual passes with LT are as brilliant as last year and allow you to perform passes with more zip, you also have a complete 360 ratio for these passes and stats seem to have a small but important effect, manual passes are great for curling ground passes and the variation you can achieve is very impressive.

As for shooting well I feel it builds on last years realistic system that forced you to consider many factors when striking the ball, for me the shooting is one of the biggest improvements, there is much more variation in shot trajectory than last year, you get the feeling you can strike the ball in more ways than 2011. The shooting feels more organic than last year and you have more control over aim, something about the shooting reminds of pes 4 and 5 which is good thing.

When playing the game last night I couldn't believe how realistic each game flowed and the different situations i found myself in, this is down to improved AI of course and the way the teams position themselves, the AI doesn't just gang rape you until you lose the ball but is more considered in its approach which helps the game massively. Midfield play is also back in abundance, picking up the ball with modric and trying to dictate play was a joy, or bursting through midfield with the giant luis gustavo was also a joy, you dont have to worry about unrealistically being barged of the ball and you have time to think through your options. Every match I have played has felt different, some games are like a chess match while others may be direct or more based around counter attack. I feel like I am in control of a living breathing football match.

The dribbling can look a bit odd at first, due to the improved response times the ball can feel on the rails at times, after a few more games this feeling passed for me, the individuality is still there in abundance as is weight and momentum, dropping a shoulder and a subtle change of the pace can take you past a player and it looks and feels great. I also like the fact you still have to work to gain space and speed and not just mash the sprint button.

Negatives

- Manual crossing has been removed, why konami?
- crossing a bit to effective
- A few bugs seem to be in the demo, would be criminal if they were in the final release
- Keepers are too eager to come out the box, very unrealistic at times.

For me this is the best football game ever made, it has the depth of pes 2011 with the polish and seamless feel of the wonderful pes 5. This game is not perfect of course but it feels like football and it has the play ability of the last gen games.
 

DIECI

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:blush: we already have a thread on this subject

Sorry... didnt mean to rain on your parade but I did enjoy your post, well thought out.... The game will be great!
 

S-D-P

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:blush: we already have a thread on this subject

Sorry... didnt mean to rain on your parade but I did enjoy your post, well thought out.... The game will be great!

Cheers mate, didn't see the other impressions thread. Anyone else have a glitch on the xbox demo when you score and the game jumps slightly, happens more when the AI scores. Hoping its just a demo bug.
 

techboy11

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Excellent write up S-D-P, pretty much agree with everything. I hope, and I think from the early feelers, that a lot of critics are going to give PES the praise it deserves this year.
 

S-D-P

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Excellent write up S-D-P, pretty much agree with everything. I hope, and I think from the early feelers, that a lot of critics are going to give PES the praise it deserves this year.

Lets hope they give the game time, I read a review last year that wrongly accused pes 2011 of having 8 way movement:shocking:. As you know every pes has a bedding in process where you have to relearn certain parts of the game, hopefully the reviewers will see this.
 

DIECI

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Lets hope they give the game time, I read a review last year that wrongly accused pes 2011 of having 8 way movement:shocking:. As you know every pes has a bedding in process where you have to relearn certain parts of the game, hopefully the reviewers will see this.

Ya I agree, and especially this year the learing curve seems to be much steeper than usual. But I doubt this game will get the recognition and praise it deserves... After having played many games on the demos I would give it nothing less than a 9, ofcourse we have to see how it behaves online but from the demos Yes, 9 for me... but I wouldnt be surprised to see FIFA getting 9.5 and PES getting a 7 again. :no:
 

MozzyEng

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For me its the best football game Ive played. But i agree i can see the so called "experts my arse brigade" giving this 8 out of ten best, And the other football game 9 and 10, Cause they all suck each others cocks!
 

S-D-P

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S-D-P, is it better to play the game at -2 in game speed? I've always played at 0

I find -2 allows you to dictate the pace more and the games have more variation speed wise. Another thing is when playing on top player the speed quickens slightly due to the opposing AI so -2 balances this out a bit. Of course its all subjective, but after a few games i feel -2 is the most realistic speed especially for passing.
 

luketu

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The more i play the game the more it sucks.

I just cant defend against robben and ribery and how the hell do you stop gomez winning every header
 

Sminky

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I find -2 allows you to dictate the pace more and the games have more variation speed wise. Another thing is when playing on top player the speed quickens slightly due to the opposing AI so -2 balances this out a bit. Of course its all subjective, but after a few games i feel -2 is the most realistic speed especially for passing.

-2 Gives the game a better feel indeed, it takes the 'manic' out of the gameplay. On 0 its just too 'busy' and can be quite a headache as you end concentrating so hard.

The more i play the game the more it sucks.

I just cant defend against robben and ribery and how the hell do you stop gomez winning every header

The idea is akin to real life, these are decent players so you can't run at them and just expect to tackle them. I find Robben and Ribery incredibly tough to defend against so if I can't get a slide tackle in ... I foul them. Akin to real life.
 

S-D-P

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The more i play the game the more it sucks.

I just cant defend against robben and ribery and how the hell do you stop gomez winning every header

It can be insanely frustrating to stop AI dancing past you, try using super cancel to position yourself and then tap the pressure button(works like a a standing tackle) when close to the ball to stick out a leg to nick the ball away or simply give away a free kick like sminky said. I'm struggling myself to defend on top player.
 

S-D-P

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Whats with that irritating dribbling bug where your player stops or turns at an angle automatically, happens rarely needs to be gone from release code. Love the dribbling though, thankfully individuality still their.

Played on top player last few matches Just got a draw against club america by playing a quick counter game, the AI seemed to struggle against a high line its been kicking my arse for the most part. Iv'e only managed one win so far and that was a scrappy 1-0 win, love pro difficulty but wanna get used to top player. AI can be a bit overpowered at times but the challenge and intelligence is superb.

Gunna go and get my arse kicked by spurs , cant stop playing this demo.
Your AI responds very well to the preset tactics, you see a real difference between each setting.
 

Cactus777

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The game is shit. Konami destroyed everything they achieved in an ill fated attempt to mimic Fifa 11. Too bad for them Fifa actually made the move towards realistic football. How ironic.
 

Tigers Mad

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just played the demo, and to be honest its quite good, not to disimuler to 2011, only question is , are them camera angles the only ones? or will broadcast be there in the full game?
 
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