hi everyone, i just fired up a match of pes with a friend o mine and i noticed how difficult it is to head a ball into the goal, i mean i was wide open and the player still chose to head it over the cross bar i mean c,mon i sure hope that can also be tweaked for 2010, i mean i can understand missing if i'm heavily defended but it was a free header.....oh yeah also why do player tend to try and use their head foe everything being crossed in the box, i crossed in a low ball which was at a perfect height for a volley into the goal and the player ducked down to knee height and headed the ball on the ground to the keeper...........so c'mon guys i'm a feel fan so pleeeaase work on this for the 2010 version................................please return my favorite sports gaming franchise to greatness.
does heading have to be so difficult?
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another thing that has bothered me also is the fact that as soon as an opposing gets anywhere near my 18yrd box the goal starts charging at him, i was watching a replay that almost scored for my friend where the player had a difficult shot on goal from the angle he was and the keeper still charged leaving the goal open for him to pass it to another player who shot the ball over the bar from just in front of goal 9tht also sucks when u get a ball in front of goal and u just bearly tap it and the player boots it way over the bar)................so i suggest for 2010 to make keeper charges completely manual.............if i want him to run out i push triangle or else he just stays put and defends his goal.
liverpoolsco
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Yeah with you on the heading issue. It does seem to be slightly unrealisticly hard!Control over heading down or up or across the face of the goal or a glancing header. All of these would be needed. Along with this heading to another player from your team to head in would be good. Yeah getting simple tap ins would also be useful as its hard to get them just right as if you go for a hard shot to make sure it goes in then the ball flies off somewhere you don't want it to go... I think that the whole set piece corner routine could be vastly improved so that you get more movement of players in the box, more dummy runners have more than one runner coming in to head the ball. Have runners coming in from the edge of the box etc. Also taking people out or pulling away from your marker to get a shot or header is needed. You see it in any match in the champions league or international tournament so why not in the game...
iamcanadianeh
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Super cancel = position yourself for a volley. Works for me.
Headers - in real games, do players always make every header? Ever seen how many player miss open nets on easy headers? It happens all the time guys!
Honestly, every time I've missed a header in PES 09 I have reliazed I held the button too long, or directed it in a difficult way.
I think the headers are totally fine, and again this is one of those cases where Konami need to be careful when listening to the fans. We don't all have the same opinions, and this is a good example of that. Also, I think what's really needed is more attention to be paid to the difficulty levels. The top level, I think, should have headers that are as difficult to convert as they are in real matches.
Headers - in real games, do players always make every header? Ever seen how many player miss open nets on easy headers? It happens all the time guys!
Honestly, every time I've missed a header in PES 09 I have reliazed I held the button too long, or directed it in a difficult way.
I think the headers are totally fine, and again this is one of those cases where Konami need to be careful when listening to the fans. We don't all have the same opinions, and this is a good example of that. Also, I think what's really needed is more attention to be paid to the difficulty levels. The top level, I think, should have headers that are as difficult to convert as they are in real matches.
liverpoolsco
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I am not saying that you should be able to score with every header that is unrealistic but what I am saying is that I would like to see more control of where the ball is being headed to even if it does go wrong... at the moment is doesn't always feel like where your trying to aim is actually what the game has in mind. Its the feeling of control over the player that seems to be lacking even if you do miss the net I would like to know it was me who put it wide or over not just the computer messing with me.
i'm not saying i want headers to be a gimme, but c'mon when i mentioned that i had a free header i mean that i used the r2 button to move into a good position and i never put too much pressure on the shot meter, i just tapped it and it went right over and i believe its scripted cheating bcuz i had instances when those same free headers found the back of the net with amazing pace off the same free header, and i was using the same team and it was the same player so its not a case of me using a player with better heading, hell ive had instances where every shot i take hits goal and i ended beating my pal 12-0 and another time those same shots find everypart of the post and the crossbar and goes out.............the worst thing for me is when i,m on a breakaway with a player like messi and i beat the goal keeper and placed myself perfectly in front of goal and taps the shot and he boots it for the skyboxes with no one pressuring him.
shaun7
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True. Volleys are a bit weired because of headers. I hate it when that happens.
It still needs fixing.
RAMAXWY
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totally agree.
shaun7
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^Heading into a direction in pes 09 was not good at all. The heading will be scripted to where it goes. Take a look at when you defend a corner. The game automatically makes your header clearance go to another corner for the CPU.
But when attacking, the directions work better but still not enough. Anyway, headers overall are not that bad in pes 09.
But when attacking, the directions work better but still not enough. Anyway, headers overall are not that bad in pes 09.
Really? I find it a bit too easy IMO.
I mean, in PES, whenever your player gets into a good position on the touchline, you just press the button and the ball immediately goes into a danger area and around 40% of the time, it connects with your players which is high because in real life, it's so common to see a defender clearing the cross.
Or rather when you get a corner, I would say, even at Superstar level, whenever you cross the ball, around 50-60% of the time, it connects with your players and scoring from corners is soo frequent it frustrates me a lot. :doh:
They should do it like FIFA, when you are crossing the ball, even though it is on a advanced position on the sidelines, they should have power bars for crossing, so it would be more challenging to score from headers just like real life because it doesn't happen very often.
Well, if you're talking about the scripting then there's nothing we can really do about it because scripting's been always part of PES and still will be I'm afraid. :no:
Agree. Random momentum shifts just pisses me the f*** off. :faceplm:
liverpoolsco
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Well to be honest I think the direction of where you are heading the ball needs to be improved. Mostly if a player puts a header in the wrong direction its either down to pressure being on him from a defender jumping at the same time or him being in a bad position so he can't get good contact with the ball to cleanly head it. Now in real life this does happen even to the best players but there are certainly a players who are very accurate when it comes to heading the ball. John Terry is an example, he has scored many headers for England and Chelsea. Now if your talking about scoring to many headers from corners and free kicks this is usually down to bad defending either intentionally or unintentionally. I know this is true from CPU scoring at so many corners against me where I can't get a man up to head the ball away. Defenders getting in first to head the ball away are one of the big reasons less headers are scored, either that or the keeper gets to it first or saves it before it goes over the line but if you get clear and are a good header of the ball there is no excuse for not hitting the target.
Look at these goals to see what I mean and see how an accurate headed of the ball is like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frLcpSbwk0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgxIVOdMhBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1cy9J_icbw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UURjAsg60M8&feature=related