First impressions (better/worse/same)

[Kennethgreig36]

I think this is PES 6 with better graphics tho the much improved passing swung it for me. Yes the shooting is a bit hit and miss usualy ballooning way over tho i have hit a few cracking shot in the top corner and had some good shots from volleys on target. But importantly i get this new feeling with PES 2011 like i got with PES 3 and PES 5 where I have to get used to it. It just feels great when you hit a first time through ball to your striker who clinically strokes the ball home past the on rushing keeper.

Anyway I have made a PES video which shows the highlights of my experiences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co490ImoVhU

 

[lyc10]

what kinda scares me is the accuracy of the freekicks..I've scored 4 in 5 games, from 20-29 yards

 

[DivineSaint]

if they give this game last year as pes 2010 and give pes2010 at 2011 as pes 2011 that would be okay. game is worse

i hope maybe i get used to 2011

 

[Dabeeds]

Demo is awesome.

For the last 3 years I've been a FIFA player due to PES being shit.

But PES 2011 is different, this game is a joy to play, excellent graphics, sounds, the passing is sublime, I can defend in a PES game again.

The best description I have for you guys is:

PES 2011 is like PES 5 in HD.

Really ? You can't be serious.:shocking: The defence is as good as PES5 ? In that game you didn't have all this time & space on the ball, so possession was much harder, leading to more scrappy midfield play & less scoring opportunities.

 

[FIORE_FAN]

First off: What I'm about to write is NOT to diss the game - it's merely pointing out some things, that I would also like to hear, if anybody feels the same.
Secondly - my background: I'm turning 36 this november, been a member on this site since early 2003 and have been a huge fan of PES since ISS Pro Evo1 on the original PlayStation. I've bought every single game of PES since the above mentioned installment all the way to PES 08 - which is the last PES game I've bought. I bought the FIFA 09 installment and didn't buy any of PES nor FIFA last year. Therefore I can't hardly compare this installment to what has happend since 08 - so I'll just be pointing out my initial thoughts of the game, after playing 5 games last night.
I play on Xbox360.
It's a small background to judge by - therefore this isn't a review or judgement of the game - but solely my very first experience of the game - so use this post as you see fit.

Presentation, graphics and animations are great. I like it. Not much to point a finger at there - and as always; these aren't major factors when judeging a PES game - it's what's "under the hood" gameplay-wise that counts.
Gameplay is hugely improved since the '08 installment I played - go figure... :blush:

But here are some points I would like to point out, and hear your take on those and if you guys have had the same experience:

1: Passing: Engineered for freedom? I don't see it?! It feels very semi assisted. I haven't had any problem what so ever pinging long string series of fast-paced first-time passes together like in the old days... I've even experienced that a lot of passes is sent an "entirely" wrong way to another player, compared to whom I intended? That's not freedom, now is it? If I sent a pass into clear space - then it feels free.
So what I want to know here is: When you guys are talking about spraying passes all over the place like another Xavi - are you guy's then using the manual pass button (LT)?

2: Goalkeepers: I think that they are greatly improved! Some minor flaws here and there - but nothing serious.
What's serious though is: WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD isn't it still possible to pass the ball to a nearby defender/teammate straight away, when the keeper has the ball??! We're talking 2010-11 now - and the keepers are still holding on to the ball like dear life untill everyone is back at their start position?! Why…?
While writing this, I realise that I haven't tried holding the manual pass button, to see if he'll pass the ball faster that way - has anyone tried that?

3: Stop in play: At every stop in play - and I mean IN EVERY SINGLE STOP IN PLAY - the game throws a replay at you?! I know I'll just press START right off to skip it - but that doesn't stop the screen from loading and making a break in an otherwise flowing game...?! After only 5 games I'm already sick and tired of it...

4: Lag?!?: I've experienced LAG in my demo - and I'm only playing online in single player mode?! Has anybody else experienced that? You know: the ball and players dissapear from the screen in a spilt second, just to reapear 10 meters further ahead quickly after? It's a demo - I know! But am I the only one to have tried this?

5: Defending: Love that it's become more difficult! BUT! I can't seem to make these new moves work. When I try to hold the "press" button and holding the stick towards my own goal (you know - so not to go into a tackle straight away) my player has a go at the attacker anyway?! Which almost always results in a freekick. Annoying since I'm usually a gamer who rarely makes freekicks...
It takes some getting used to - I know - but does anyone have a few tips and tricks or experience in this? I just can't seem to make it work 8 out of 10 times.

6: Atmosphere: I tried the Coppa Libatadores (or what its called) because I read somewhere, that the atmosphere during the match would be quite different than playing with the european teams. Well - not on my demo. Does anybody have a take on that?

So right now I really don't know what to think. I really - REALLY want to love this game - but I'm not quite catching on at the moment.
I tried the FIFA demo for one game only - and I quite like the PES one better, solely because FIFA really didn't felt that much different and felt quite "easy" compared to PES.
I'll give FIFA the credit, that it looks much better to look at during play. The fluid animations and the level of detail in ALL the animations are quite frankly awsome! But as stated above - that doesn't make a good game alone.

So am I alone in these statements or has anyone noticed something similar.

Great gaming everyone!

 

[kn23m]

Formation is like in pes09 or pes10??
Haven't played yet...

 

[FIORE_FAN]

OH! And I forgot all about the trigger player run button - or rather lack thereoff! If I have to trigger a player to run forward, I'll have to make a 1-2 pass. Why can't we just use the same button to trigger a player run forward?!
It's quite frustrating, since most of the time, the teammates are rather passive concerning trying running behind the defensive line... And I have tried changeing the formation settings - but it doesn't help much... ;o/

And by the way. Not to promote FIFA or anything - but did anyone else notice, that in FIFA, that if you have the pace/sprint set to one of the triggers, then you can regulate how fast you'll sprint by how deep you hold the sprint-trigger. Interesting - unfortunately, I have the right bumper as my sprint/pace button - so I haven't tried it out, so I don't know how well it works...

 

[8gerrard8]

Forgot to mention, just pre-ordered off Shopto.net for my Xbox 360. Not long to go now, can't wait! (haven't said this in a while for a PES game!)

 

[The Eristic]

Graphics: Excellent BUT virtually all writing and icons in the game plan menus are far too small. Can't read without being a foot from the TV, and are causing me severe eye strain.

Sound: Dunno, it's a demo. Don't really know what we're working with yet.

Commentary: -

Menu: Better than the last few!

Shooting: Ball is too light and bouncy. No impact, hard to control, but not in a good way. The basic feel of shooting is worse compared to last year. The meter feel is totally bizarre, as well, but that's something on can get used to.

Passing: Love the control, but once again, not the feel. Chipped passes in particular are mostly uncontrollable and weighted awkwardly.

Dribbling: I'm not a dribbling-oriented player, so I'm not the best to discuss this, but it definitely feels different. Undecided if it's good or bad yet.

Goalkeepers: Seem ok, like that they're a bit more aggressive and distribute more quickly.

Freekicks: Too floaty. See ball feel. Also, a few too many niggly fouls given, as in Winning Eleven 9. The game needed more after the absurdly lenient 2010, but physical contact alone does not = foul.

Penalties: Haven't taken one yet.

Skills: Would prefer to do them manually for the most part. Granular control is where PES has always and is expected to shine. Presets take away that fine control, which, in the case of something REALLY fancy and impossible to pull off otherwise, would be understandable, but most moves in the game were perfectly manageable without painful oversimplification.

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Good points:

If you can see the pass, you can at least attempt to make it.

Team AI seems more intelligent and realistic.

Chronologically structured situational strategic implementation is a great idea.

Drag and drop is handy.

Bad points:

Ball feel and physics in general. Everything feels like it's floating.

Impact of physical contact doesn't translate, meaning shoulder-to-shoulder challenges and crunching tackles feel pretty much the same as everything else. Need to make use of rumble functions of something to give them a little "oomph". I was excited about the improved contact detection system, and while it does detect it better and provide appropriate animations, it feels insubstantial.

Strategy markers on Select instead of L2 is the dumbest, most mind-bogglingly idiotic and unnecessary control change in history. Seriously, if you use manual offside trap as I do, it's hell on virtual earth.

Aerial 50-50s still don't work right.

Konami still hasn't fixed the backpass rule, either. Opposition midfielder passed it back from nearly the center circle, keeper rushed out and picked it right up, no problem.

Can't scroll through players quickly in game plan to view and compare stats anymore, have to manually select and press triangle to access an incredibly cumbersome stat menu.

No flow to game plan sub-menu order and selection.

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To summarize, in true PES fashion, they've improved the bad from the previous installment significantly, and removed quite a chunk of the good for no apparent reason. That's it for now.

 

[8gerrard8]

If im being a blunt i haven't noticed a huge difference in either graphics or sound.

There is however, a huge change in speed, passing, shooting and general game play. It is now impossible to run through a team with Messi or Ribery or anyone, solo goals will now be a rare delight, as they should be.

Team goals, quick sharp passing and a slicing through ball are now the orders of the day for PES. I am made up with the demo and i am looking forward to the full game, don't get me wrong but i can't help but feel PES has lost a little of its individuality with this one.

PES has always been the arcade style Football sim, with fun and enjoyment the main aim. Which is why i have stuck with PES all these years. FIFA has always been very dry, soul-less, consumer driven, churned out each year with a new coat of paint and very little genuine fun in the game, at least for me anyway, there has never been any real satisfaction with any goal scored in FIFA.

This year though, and maybe this is just me, but It seems like Konami were trying to mimic FIFA a little too much this year. I think we've reached the stage where the two games are becoming so close, that in a few years they'll just be the same game, the same product under different titles.

Still though, i enjoy the game, i just hope next year, Konami focus on getting back to the real roots of PES that made it such a winner, and focus less on creating the perfect Football sim.

Aimed at your last paragraph. I strongly disagree, I play football games for that sole reason, I don't care if PES 6 was a decent game for it's TIME, PES 2011 will absolutely destroy PES 6 because there is so much you can do. Konami, keep at it, you've almost created the perfect Football sim!

 

[8gerrard8]

if they give this game last year as pes 2010 and give pes2010 at 2011 as pes 2011 that would be okay. game is worse

i hope maybe i get used to 2011

No, your just no good at PES 2011, it is the far better game with perfect football FREEDOM. We can finally play the beautiful game at our fingertips. It only took them over a decade but we are finally here!

 

[8gerrard8]

OH! And I forgot all about the trigger player run button - or rather lack thereoff! If I have to trigger a player to run forward, I'll have to make a 1-2 pass. Why can't we just use the same button to trigger a player run forward?!
It's quite frustrating, since most of the time, the teammates are rather passive concerning trying running behind the defensive line... And I have tried changeing the formation settings - but it doesn't help much... ;o/

And by the way. Not to promote FIFA or anything - but did anyone else notice, that in FIFA, that if you have the pace/sprint set to one of the triggers, then you can regulate how fast you'll sprint by how deep you hold the sprint-trigger. Interesting - unfortunately, I have the right bumper as my sprint/pace button - so I haven't tried it out, so I don't know how well it works...

Clearly shows you still don't know how to play the game. There is a specific pass and move feature which you have missed in the game. Also you should be happy it's harder to dribble now, online will be a blast!

 

[8gerrard8]

It seems to me like most if not all the bad points are coming from the fact that you cannot play the game properly or are not yet used to it. I myself have played 6 games, won 3 (1 on Top, 2 on Pro), drawn 2 (1 Top, 1 Pro) and lost 1 (my first game on Pro), yes the game is harder, the AI is better, dribbling is tougher, shooting takes time to gt used to but that's the beauty of PES 2011, it's so different from PES 2010 and the passing system alone made me pro-order the game! THIS IS THE PES WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

 

[FIORE_FAN]

Graphics: Excellent BUT virtually all writing and icons in the game plan menus are far too small. Can't read without being a foot from the TV, and are causing me severe eye strain.

Sound: Dunno, it's a demo. Don't really know what we're working with yet.

Commentary: -

Menu: Better than the last few!

Shooting: Ball is too light and bouncy. No impact, hard to control, but not in a good way. The basic feel of shooting is worse compared to last year. The meter feel is totally bizarre, as well, but that's something on can get used to.

Passing: Love the control, but once again, not the feel. Chipped passes in particular are mostly uncontrollable and weighted awkwardly.

Dribbling: I'm not a dribbling-oriented player, so I'm not the best to discuss this, but it definitely feels different. Undecided if it's good or bad yet.

Goalkeepers: Seem ok, like that they're a bit more aggressive and distribute more quickly.

Freekicks: Too floaty. See ball feel. Also, a few too many niggly fouls given, as in Winning Eleven 9. The game needed more after the absurdly lenient 2010, but physical contact alone does not = foul.

Penalties: Haven't taken one yet.

Skills: Would prefer to do them manually for the most part. Granular control is where PES has always and is expected to shine. Presets take away that fine control, which, in the case of something REALLY fancy and impossible to pull off otherwise, would be understandable, but most moves in the game were perfectly manageable without painful oversimplification.

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Good points:

If you can see the pass, you can at least attempt to make it.

Team AI seems more intelligent and realistic.

Chronologically structured situational strategic implementation is a great idea.

Drag and drop is handy.

Bad points:

Ball feel and physics in general. Everything feels like it's floating.

Impact of physical contact doesn't translate, meaning shoulder-to-shoulder challenges and crunching tackles feel pretty much the same as everything else. Need to make use of rumble functions of something to give them a little "oomph". I was excited about the improved contact detection system, and while it does detect it better and provide appropriate animations, it feels insubstantial.

Strategy markers on Select instead of L2 is the dumbest, most mind-bogglingly idiotic and unnecessary control change in history. Seriously, if you use manual offside trap as I do, it's hell on virtual earth.

Aerial 50-50s still don't work right.

Konami still hasn't fixed the backpass rule, either. Opposition midfielder passed it back from nearly the center circle, keeper rushed out and picked it right up, no problem.

Can't scroll through players quickly in game plan to view and compare stats anymore, have to manually select and press triangle to access an incredibly cumbersome stat menu.

No flow to game plan sub-menu order and selection.

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To summarize, in true PES fashion, they've improved the bad from the previous installment significantly, and removed quite a chunk of the good for no apparent reason. That's it for now.

100% agree!!! :no:

 

[shaun7]

@fiorefan
I played the we 11 demo and the pes 11 demo now and I haven't experienced any lag.
Though you made some good points overall.
About the passing, even when using the normal passing, my passes would go in the direction I am pointing. Yes sometimes they go a bit out of place but not nearly as much as in pes 10. I guess this is done to keep the game realistic instead of ping pong. The manual pass in pes 11 works great especially when there's a defender nearby. You can pinpoint a pass.
One thing I found wrong is HOW CAN YOU MAKE A LOFTED PASS IN MANUAL?
I was really good in fifa 10 with manual lofted passes and I want it in pes.
Though even with the normal passing the lofted balls are much, much better than pes 10.

 

[byrnie05]

Didn't feel like PES. Don't know if that's a bad thing in the long run, but it just seemed a bit floaty - the shooting, the passing, the movement. Even the bad installments have has a sense of weight to it.

I'm going to play it again right now, as I need to love it because its secondary features are awesome. Itching to build a stadium.

 

[muzza798]

The one thing above everything I just can't live with is the game freezing for 1 second every now and then. Messi sprinting at me defence cutting in from the wing, it freezes, second later a through ball has been played and I'm almost a goal down.

Gamebreaker.

I do feel however it matters what frame of mind you have when playing it. Going into it thinking "this is garbage, everything is shit", isn't going to get you liking the game.

The game has so many good points but the one thing I can't live without is my powerfull shooting and in pes 11 however often it can be great, its just too bad most of the time

 

[Hunter]

Good thread Dundon's mate. Anyway here's my verdict after maybe 10 matches or so. Oh, and I'm basing this on the demo, not the game since I don't have the game of course, this is purely the demo:

Graphics: Very good. It does look similar to PES 2010 from afar, and it seems only 'good' when in-game but I think this is purely because the default camera is a bit further back which means you don't get to see the graphics up close in full motion. It was like previous PES games in that, the closer you took the camera the more obvious just how good the graphics really were. So in the graphics department, there's no major complaints although I have seen the old flaw of limbs going through other player's bodies which isn't particularly great to see - there should be a constant collision detection.

Sound: There's not too much to report here unfortunately. The sound is pretty average again in terms of crowd noise, however I have noticed fairly respectable crowd cheers upon the final whistle so that should be noted. Not that this should be considered good or bad though with our own community members making option files with crowd chants and all sorts thesedays which is simply enough implemented. I've noticed the more old school arcade music is back though which I like, it sort of gets you back into the "PES zone". :lol:

Commentary: -

Menu: Completely different and refreshing. Especially the formation and tactics menu, I really do love the new style for that section. The new drag and drop system for editing player's positions is perfect and it's just a lot more pleasing on the eye and clean. There's not much else I can say regarding the menus considering it's just a demo and we don't have too much access to other areas of the game.

Shooting: To be honest, I think people may be overreacting with the shooting system. I've not noticed anything drastically poor about it, and even think it's quite good myself. I still need to play some more matches as I on average may get away 4 shots or so per game (which is a good thing really that chances aren't regular occurances). The ball does seem to go over the bar a bit, but it's not as if it balloons over as some comments have suggested, the majority of efforts I've made have just whistled over the bar or been respectable shots. Sure I've had one or two row z shots but that's genuinely down to me completely mistiming the new power bar (which I think is more difficult to get to grips with than the shooting).

Passing: Brilliant. As everyone has already fixated, the new passing system is by far and away the most enjoyable and noticable improvement in this PES demo. It's actually a joy and pass the ball around, and with it being semi-manual in terms of direction you feel a real sense of responsibility for build-up play as opposed to simply tapping, tapping, tapping the pass button. The new string of animations help the passing look nicer as well, and you do genuinely feel a sense of achievement when you put together some nice football, so hopefully this will encourage some liquid football to be played.

Dribbling: Improved. It's definitely more enjoyable than the previous PES titles I remember. With the new freedom of 360degrees, or close enough anyway, the dribbling is certainly more 'comfortable' and fluid. The feint system implemented is pleasing on the eye too as I've performed quite a few feints to move past opponents and once I get the system down and develop stringing tricks together it's going to be a blast. I think the dribbling "can" be quite easy at times in terms of moving around an opponent but take into consideration I'm playing this demo on "Professional" and not "Top Player" - still though it does seem more of a challenge compared to PES 2010. Combined with a great passing system too, you don't feel as much need to perform Maradona runs every 5 minutes either.

Goalkeepers: Slightly better from what I've seen but as with shooting, I think I need some more games under my belt to give a definite opinion on this demo's goalkeepers. They have dozens of new animations which is always pleasant to see, however they still do seem to suffer from "I might be able to reach the ball but I still won't outstretch my arms as far as they can go" syndrome. From the 15 or so games I've played however I've only really seen 1 goalkeeping error that's ended in a goal - the goalkeeper stretched for it, but didn't seem to stretch as far as he could have done and the ball simply passed him.

Freekicks: They seem similar really, not too much change except as I said above, the new power gauge seems to be a touch more difficult to predict so I currently suck at them. I'm sure it's just a matter of practice, practice and practice just to get the timing down. Nothing majorly positive, or negative to note.

Penalties: Not had one yet. -

Skills: There is a vast array of new feints and tricks which is great to see. We now get to assign the feints to the right stick too, and can also link up several feints and tricks one after the other. I'm pretty shoddy at performing them but from some of the videos Konami shown, if you can perfect them, they really do look incredible when dribbling through a string of bodies - to perform a stepover and back over with a reverse stepover, to a drop of the shoulder and then finally a little dink over the last defender's leg - it's a sight to behold.

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Good points:

- The new passing system is brilliant for the gameplay.
- The new default camera is actually great, and with it being a little further back and pans around, it helps picking out passes too.
- The vast amount of new animations is finally excellent to see as the old ones had been the same for years.
- The gameplay just feels more fluid with fewer noticable flaws on the whole (at least from the demo).
- The menu system is new and refreshing with the formation menu being great and easy to use, as well as the team selection menus looking very pleasing on the eye.
- Defending seems to be bit more solid which is always great.

Bad points:

- Probably one of the biggest negatives this year is the strategy button being relocated to "Back" (or Select on the PS3). It's completely stupid and almost impossible to use comfortably. I really do hope we can customise the controller configuration in the full game.
- Despite a huge amount of new animations, I just wish there was a few more for slide-tackling, and falling. I love a good crunching tackle on the game, as do many I imagine so I was just hoping for a few more differing slides and also falls too (it's not a big bad point is it, just a little niggle).
- The goalkeepers are still hit and miss. They don't appear to be as bad as previous installments, but still seem prone to one or two more flaws than necessary.
- The power gauge bar is pretty difficult to time, especially with long cross field passes. I imagine it just needs practice, but it isn't exactly easy to adapt to at the moment.
- The referee can be a bit quick to his whistle at times, and also pretty poor. I completely mistimed a tackle and chopped someone down from behind, literally 5 yards in front of the ref (I was maybe 2 yards away from the ball) and the ref saw nothing wrong with the tackle. :lol: I found it hilarious of course but if it happened to me I'd be fuming. Also little niggly tussles tend to be pulled up sometimes, so basically it would be nice to see the ref let the little 50/50s go.

Overall:

The game feels great from the demo. Which is a good sign as usually Konami release a poor demo and then try to disguise it with the all too common "it's only 60% completed" excuse. Not this year. The gameplay from the demo feels enjoyable, the passing is just lovely and adds a whole new dimension to the game. The menus are refreshing and the new formation screens are great, and easy to use. There are still flaws of course, but they're seemingly minor now. Previous PES flaws were that the gameplay was average, and left the player feeling cheated. That's no longer the case, and the biggest flaw I can pick out at the moment is that while the goalkeepers have made some pretty great saves in this demo, they still tend to look shaky when it comes to the shots seemingly easier to save "some of the time". So all in all, a definite improvement for Konami, and I'm really having fun playing the demo. A thumbs up from me. Finally.

 

[Bite.Me]

Graphics: Somewhat worse than I expected... it's still the demo and I hope it gets fixed on the release version (RV).

Sound: Definitely improved. All around much more quality sounds. The sounds from the stands seem a little low, but that's probably tweakable in the RV.

Commentary: Not available. In previous PES versions I've played without commentaries, so it's not a factor for me.

Menu: Improved, good looks. Don't like the constant tweaking of the formations menu every new release, though. Still haven't found a stamina indicator in the formation menu.

Shooting: Still haven't got the hang of it. Some shots are way too weak and others are balooned into the stands. I'll comment further after some more playing time.

Passing: One word: FREAKING BRILIANT!!!!
Through balls are a godsend!

Dribbling: Feels more realistic. Most players don't feint to get past others, most of times it's just a combination of quick accelerations combined with change of directions, now the game reflects this.

Goalkeepers: 10000000000000x better than in 2010. Animations are top notch, like never seen before in a PES.

Freekicks: Still haven't got the hang. Seems one of the most rudimentary part of the game.

Penalties: Same as 2010, but a bit more random.... which, IMO, isn't good.


Skills: I don't get the concept of preseting drible moves.... this is supposabily a simulation, these things are supposed to be made on the fly....

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Good points: Passing system is #1a.
The tempo of the game (you can have a lot more control over it, and I'm not talking about messing around with that game setting).
Overall dribling (except the preset moves).
Defending is the most improved aspect of the game (honorable #1b). Central defenders are what they're supposed to be, very good at disarming and using their bodies. Side backs are also much more aware of space in their back.

Bad points: The main nock on the game is definitely AI controled player movement.
With this kind of passing ability, the AI's faults in off the ball movement are way more noticeable. Especially in possession.
They don't come close to offer suppport, don't exploit running lanes all that well and seem a little off the game. As I said, this is much more easy to notice, now that the passing system has evolved so well.


Overall, I'm very pleased with the demo.
Still hope to see some things worked on, but I can say I'll definitely buy it (while hoping that the online mode has improved as greatly as the overall game).

 

[clm7]

Graphics: better but only slightly. 8/10

Sound: good ingame atmosphere, musics rubbish 7/10

Menu: nice, but writing a little small for me 8/10

Shooting:, firstly you hardly get time to shoot, which is a good thing, for me sometimes my player shot in a different direction to what i was pressing then it was a bit balloonish, i think a little practice will help. 7/10

Passing: best part so far, if theres 2 players in the direction your pressing, you just put a bit more power to pass the the player furthest away which is good, also some crossfield passes look good. 9/10

Dribbling: more consistent, dont like the fact that every player can do tricks though. just wait on the messi fanboys though. 7/10

Goalkeepers: some good animations, look alot better than 2010 which were shocking. 8/10

Freekicks: you get some excellent deliverys from set-plays, shooting is very difficult though, think you'll need to score with the best free kick takers 8/10

Penalties: i always liked the pens from 2010, more skill involved 8/10

Skills:
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Good points:super cup, stadium edit, if the rediculous idea of your scouts doing your transfers in the master league is removed that'll be good, loving the gameplan area, hexagon is back!

Bad points:refs are still rubbish, perfectly good takles punished, too many replays, still invisible wall at throw ins, player name above player,

if i read that online is still a farce, connections, cheats and of course if a filter of some sort hasn't been put in place that stops you playing against barca boys time and time again i wont be buying it, playing the computer becomes very boring, i prefer playing different people with different tactics and team around the world.

if updated teams arent done, (henry still at barca on demo), this happened last year and was unforgivable releasing an umfinished game

ps the fifa demo is very good too