Gamespot review - 6.5/10

[shaun7]

^Even though fifa and pes are both football games, they both give a different perspective of how they see football. Football cannot be understood in the same way. Everyone understands it the way he thinks it is. Both fifa and pes show this.
Pes focuses on
Individuality
likeness
shooting

While fifa concentrates on
Freedom
physical play
control

As you see both are important in football, but pes and fifa understands them in different ways. What's good in pes is not so good in fifa and vice versa.
So you cannot compare them when reviewing.
You have to compare it to reality.

Oh and football manager and championship manager aren't football simulations. They are coaching. That's different.

 

[SuperBees]

^Even though fifa and pes are both football games, they both give a different perspective of how they see football. Football cannot be understood in the same way. Everyone understands it the way he thinks it is. Both fifa and pes show this.
Pes focuses on
Individuality
likeness
shooting

While fifa concentrates on
Freedom
physical play
control

As you see both are important in football, but pes and fifa understands them in different ways. What's good in pes is not so good in fifa and vice versa.
So you cannot compare them when reviewing.
You have to compare it to reality.

Oh and football manager and championship manager aren't football simulations. They are coaching. That's different.

AGREED..I personally think PES offers more freedom though.

 

[Sweey]

^Even though fifa and pes are both football games, they both give a different perspective of how they see football. Football cannot be understood in the same way. Everyone understands it the way he thinks it is. Both fifa and pes show this.
Pes focuses on
Individuality
likeness
shooting

While fifa concentrates on
Freedom
physical play
control

As you see both are important in football, but pes and fifa understands them in different ways. What's good in pes is not so good in fifa and vice versa.
So you cannot compare them when reviewing.
You have to compare it to reality.

Oh and football manager and championship manager aren't football simulations. They are coaching. That's different.

When you review you have to compare to similar games.

Don't write a long post about it, there's no argument over it. How was that not apparent from my post? It doesn't matter if you don't like it, that's the way the world of reviewing works.

Jesus.

By your logic, any two games simulating the same sport shouldn't be compared because they're both going to be different approaches. Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[shaun7]

^No, you cannot understand this argument.
If a reviewer in the past has liked fifa, he'll look for fifa style in every football game so he will not like pes and vice versa. Jesus. How can you not see this.
If you don't agree fine, but don't make it look like there's no argument because there is.
Now if the review is in depth enough to compare every aspect of football in both pes and fifa then yes, go ahead and compare. Otherwise it's better not to.
But if you review 1 game only, comparing it to reality is always better anyway.

 

[Sweey]

^No, you cannot understand this argument.
If a reviewer in the past has liked fifa, he'll look for fifa style in every football game so he will not like pes and vice versa. Jesus. How can you not see this.
If you don't agree fine, but don't make it look like there's no argument because there is.
Now if the review is in depth enough to compare every aspect of football in both pes and fifa then yes, go ahead and compare. Otherwise it's better not to.
But if you review 1 game only, comparing it to reality is always better anyway.

What I'm trying to get at is that it is the same with other sports so why do you feel it only happens with FIFA and PES? How can YOU not see this?

It also makes me laugh, completely, at your saying it doesn't apply to FM and CM because it applies to every single game on the planet. If someone likes the way FM does things and doesn't like how CM does them they'll criticise CM for not doing what FM does - or criticise it for copying.

That is where I'm having an issue with how you're attempting, badly, to put your point across. You can't treat FIFA and PES as a special situation which doesn't occur in other genres or with other sports titles. That is ignorant.

So I'll bring it back to the start, whether you, me or anyone else likes it, that is how reviews are going to be done.

 

[shaun7]

^I never said pes and fifa were special. I believe every sports game should be treated that way. Also I was only commenting about sports games because sport is so vast that no game can get it 100% right. Pes and fifa both emphasize on different aspects of football so in the end, it's all down to personal preference this year especially.
Anyway pes and fifa are one of the biggest rivals in history aswell. lol.

 

[SuperBees]

What I'm trying to get at is that it is the same with other sports so why do you feel it only happens with FIFA and PES? How can YOU not see this?

It also makes me laugh, completely, at your saying it doesn't apply to FM and CM because it applies to every single game on the planet. If someone likes the way FM does things and doesn't like how CM does them they'll criticise CM for not doing what FM does - or criticise it for copying.

That is where I'm having an issue with how you're attempting, badly, to put your point across. You can't treat FIFA and PES as a special situation which doesn't occur in other genres or with other sports titles. That is ignorant.

So I'll bring it back to the start, whether you, me or anyone else likes it, that is how reviews are going to be done.

Don your a DICK......he makes his point perfectly well i cant be nice to you anymore.:realmad:

 

[Sweey]

Don your a DICK......he makes his point perfectly well i cant be nice to you anymore.:realmad:

Then nor can I. How old are you? 10?

^I never said pes and fifa were special. I believe every sports game should be treated that way. Also I was only commenting about sports games because sport is so vast that no game can get it 100% right. Pes and fifa both emphasize on different aspects of football so in the end, it's all down to personal preference this year especially.
Anyway pes and fifa are one of the biggest rivals in history aswell. lol.

See now that's absolutely fine, you just weren't coming across that way. It read as though you only felt that way because PES was difficult to grasp if you compared it directly to FIFA and therefore that alone contributed to the lower scores etc.

The point I was trying to get across in response to that was one that it is fine to feel that way so long as you believe all sports titles or simulation titles should be treated the same way.

You're a clear example that I'm willing to have a discussion and debate about things. You've not sworn at me or been immature and that's why I haven't for a single moment contemplated booking you or anything - unlike others in this and another thread.

 

[shaun7]

The point I was trying to get across in response to that was one that it is fine to feel that way so long as you believe all sports titles or simulation titles should be treated the same way.

Yes, that's what I think.
Every sports title should be treated the same.

 

[crackhat]

The fact is of course a 'football game' is going to be compared to another 'football game'. Fifa and PES both try to do one thing, give the player a great game of football on their console, every other feature within the game just alludes to the gameplay. So football games will always be compared in this genre.

 

[marcgiu]

if PES 10 is meant to be a result of hard work over the last 4 years (and 3 other versions) then I would say that 6.5 is about right. It’s not progressing quickly enough , whether its slightly better than last year’s version is immaterial

 

[Mortz]

Are you guys crazy? To be a reviewer you HAVE to compare to similar games. That doesn't mean you can't appreciate two approaches to one ultimate goal. What's wrong with you people?

Football Manager, Championship Manager and other games are all compared to each other and ultimately they're all compared directly to FM to see if they can overhaul it as the best of its genre. It is the correct way to review.

I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading on here.

Unbelievable, fecking unbelievable.

This is how low PES has sunk.... The PES Loyalists now are openly saying (and this is a recurring theme in all PES boards/blogs/etc)

"Please don't compare us to Fifa, enjoy us for what we are!!"

If that's not a collective, unconscious, cry for help from someone in complete denial, then I don`t know what could be. :no:

 

[Sweey]

Unbelievable, fecking unbelievable.

At this point I thought you were going to lay into me.

I've just seen what PC Gamer gave PES and in one sense I'm stunned and in another I'm not. They gave it LESS than FIFA 10 - 70% for Pro Evo because it "rigid", "mechanical" and has failed to improve on previous efforts sufficiently and FIFA 10 71%. I don't think they're necessarily wrong about PES, I'm just shocked it gets less than FIFA which gets a good bashing for being shite compred to the 360 and PS3 versions.

Now you might say they're on the EA payroll but they preferred PES to FIFA traditionally and were supremely happy when PES 3 came to PC.

You can't always trust reviews but they're saying the things I was saying.

 

[striker33]

I personally think that that is an abomination, the improvement of this game to last years is drastic and i wouldn't even count fifa in the running as a football game, which would then mean that pes 10 is the best football game to date imo.

So anything lower than an 8 maybe 7.5 is a complete and utter joke.

If you think fifa isnt a football game then what is pes? Stick cricket? FIFA is the only real football sim around, but like Konami EA just sit on their pile of money, making minimalistic changes, adding more bugs, and laugh at us year after year.

But yeah, like the other topic on this forum says, both games were a joke this year, i only play PES because its slightly less stressful to play compared to fifa.

The ONLY thing PES is good for is playing with friends, locally.

Online is abysmal (not because of the lag, as there is none, but more because 99% of people choose real madrid and use Konami's pathetic and completely biased recreation of Ronaldo to storm through 5 defenders which cant tackle no matter how high their ratings are because of the shitty tackling system in the game... phew!)

Master League / Exhibitions etc vs computer AI can only be played on Regular difficulty or below to actually be fun, and actually retain a sense of realism. You put it on professional or above and suddenly strikers turn in to terminators running the full length of the pitch to make a world class tackle that not even the best defender in the world could accomplish.

The times ive played with a mate have been great though, even if its bug ridden, i just didnt get as pissed off at the game as i have with previous PES games and FIFA 10.

 

[MatTheCat]

If you think fifa isnt a football game then what is pes? Stick cricket? FIFA is the only real football sim around.

Something that nobody cares to mention about FIFA is that every 1-1 situation results in a goal so long as you have the ability to press a shoulder button and hold the shoot button time for the right amount of time.

Apart from that I go with Shaun7s assessment. Until I discovered the 1-1 thing with FIFA10, I was quite enjoying the game but in a very different way that I enjoyed PES. FIFA gave a lot of satisfaction in all the way's that Shaun7 mentions but never had me creaming my pants the same way that PES does. so yes, FIFA has so many technical advantages over PES but that doens't mean PES should be judged by its failure to live up these technical specs as 'it approaches things a very different way from FIFA' and does other things arguably so much better than FIFA does. There are even magazines that gave FIFA 90%, PES 70% that go on to say that PES is a lot more FUN than FIFA is, i mean wtf?

But as I said, all FIFA's technical advantages over PES are immaterial. Any game with such Lame sure-fired scoring methods aint even a game, its a pile of shite that deserves to be chucked in the bin. This brings me neatly to another point about the two games. Despite some horrible bugs, PES2010s AI is fantastically well-implemented and well-balanced especially when compared to FIFA AI. When first playing PES2010 on Top Player, the games for me n my bros, were all very stale and the gameplay seemed bland, robotic and antiquated in comparison to FIFA whose AI manipulated end-end thrillers into being practically everytime we played with super realistic collisions and player movement as standard. As time passed though, we started to see through FIFA's AI which is more scripted than PES ever has been and our games on ProEvo really started to come alive. Of course, this is a quality parameter that will come to the fore only after many hours of gameplay and by then the reviews have already been written and the 'gratuities' from EA have already been received by all the main publishers.

FIFA10 = Pish game. Reviewers = Arselickingcocksucking bonus-grabbing bandits. I trust not a single one of them.

P.S. And no comments about 'learning to defend better' or on FIFA '1-1's should be goals every time so its just realistic'. In FIFA 1-1s just occur out of knowhere and the they happen all the fucking time.

 

[striker33]

Something that nobody cares to mention about FIFA is that every 1-1 situation results in a goal so long as you have the ability to press a shoulder button and hold the shoot button time for the right amount of time.

Apart from that I go with Shaun7s assessment. Until I discovered the 1-1 thing with FIFA10, I was quite enjoying the game but in a very different way that I enjoyed PES. FIFA gave a lot of satisfaction in all the way's that Shaun7 mentions but never had me creaming my pants the same way that PES does. so yes, FIFA has so many technical advantages over PES but that doens't mean PES should be judged by its failure to live up these technical specs as 'it approaches things a very different way from FIFA' and does other things arguably so much better than FIFA does. There are even magazines that gave FIFA 90%, PES 70% that go on to say that PES is a lot more FUN than FIFA is, i mean wtf?

But as I said, all FIFA's technical advantages over PES are immaterial. Any game with such Lame sure-fired scoring methods aint even a game, its a pile of shite that deserves to be chucked in the bin. This brings me neatly to another point about the two games. Despite some horrible bugs, PES2010s AI is fantastically well-implemented and well-balanced especially when compared to FIFA AI. When first playing PES2010 on Top Player, the games for me n my bros, were all very stale and the gameplay seemed bland, robotic and antiquated in comparison to FIFA whose AI manipulated end-end thrillers into being practically everytime we played with super realistic collisions and player movement as standard. As time passed though, we started to see through FIFA's AI which is more scripted than PES ever has been and our games on ProEvo really started to come alive. Of course, this is a quality parameter that will come to the fore only after many hours of gameplay and by then the reviews have already been written and the 'gratuities' from EA have already been received by all the main publishers.

FIFA10 = Pish game. Reviewers = Arselickingcocksucking bonus-grabbing bandits. I trust not a single one of them.

P.S. And no comments about 'learning to defend better' or on FIFA '1-1's should be goals every time so its just realistic'. In FIFA 1-1s just occur out of knowhere and the they happen all the fucking time.

Tbh the 1-1s on pro evo arent too different in terms of being easy to score. PES u can generally slot the ball to either side of the keeper in a one on one without too much trouble, FIFA just seems worse since they made one of the hardest techniques in football so easy, and a guarenteed goal at the end of it.

I also found that the majority of the time when the keepers actually did save it the shot would deflect to a nearby team mate running on to an open goal, happens on both games.

Edit: Also, in terms of them 'coming out of nowhere', its pretty similar to anyone using a fast player on PES, you can run through defenders like they arent even there, for an easy 1-1 goal.

 

[poppy10]

look on gamespot and look at the critic and players reviews

which are in the 8 and 7.9

THEY SAY ITS BETTER THAN ITS PREDESESSOR WHICH IS A 7 !

SO WHY THE FUCK GIVE IT A 6.5 ???

Because standards have changed?

We expect more from a football game in 2009 than we did in 2008, just as we expect more from PES2010 than we did from ISS Pro Evolution Soccer 2. Just because PES2010 is a slight improvement from last year, doesn't mean it has done enough to warrant a higher score, given that they have had a whole year to improve and optimize the game.

Particularly on the PC version, which looks graphically like PES2008 and sucks donkey balls.

 

[MatTheCat]

Tbh the 1-1s on pro evo arent too different in terms of being easy to score. PES u can generally slot the ball to either side of the keeper in a one on one without too much trouble, FIFA just seems worse since they made one of the hardest techniques in football so easy, and a guarenteed goal at the end of it.

I also found that the majority of the time when the keepers actually did save it the shot would deflect to a nearby team mate running on to an open goal, happens on both games.

Edit: Also, in terms of them 'coming out of nowhere', its pretty similar to anyone using a fast player on PES, you can run through defenders like they arent even there, for an easy 1-1 goal.

You dont get nearly as many 1 - 1 situations with ProEvo and when they do come it still takes a calm head to put them away and even then, u can take control of the keeper and make it even harder for the attacker. With FIFA, 1-1 happens all the time and you dont even need to try to get a 1-1 or use a fast player. They just happen cos FIFAs AI wants them to happen. When they do happen, as you have already admitted, its a goal everytime. The same thing cant be said about ProEvo or if u do have the knack of getting a certain goal with every 1-1 situation that you create for yourself on ProEvo, then it requires a damn sight more skill and tact than it does on FIFA.

I have been playing PES for years and for me 1-1 is still only 60-40 going to be a goal. I am a noob on FIFA but 1-1 means 90% chance that i will get a goal.

 

[Amateur]

Something that nobody cares to mention about FIFA is that every 1-1 situation results in a goal so long as you have the ability to press a shoulder button and hold the shoot button time for the right amount of time.

Apart from that I go with Shaun7s assessment. Until I discovered the 1-1 thing with FIFA10, I was quite enjoying the game but in a very different way that I enjoyed PES. FIFA gave a lot of satisfaction in all the way's that Shaun7 mentions but never had me creaming my pants the same way that PES does. so yes, FIFA has so many technical advantages over PES but that doens't mean PES should be judged by its failure to live up these technical specs as 'it approaches things a very different way from FIFA' and does other things arguably so much better than FIFA does. There are even magazines that gave FIFA 90%, PES 70% that go on to say that PES is a lot more FUN than FIFA is, i mean wtf?

But as I said, all FIFA's technical advantages over PES are immaterial. Any game with such Lame sure-fired scoring methods aint even a game, its a pile of shite that deserves to be chucked in the bin. This brings me neatly to another point about the two games. Despite some horrible bugs, PES2010s AI is fantastically well-implemented and well-balanced especially when compared to FIFA AI. When first playing PES2010 on Top Player, the games for me n my bros, were all very stale and the gameplay seemed bland, robotic and antiquated in comparison to FIFA whose AI manipulated end-end thrillers into being practically everytime we played with super realistic collisions and player movement as standard. As time passed though, we started to see through FIFA's AI which is more scripted than PES ever has been and our games on ProEvo really started to come alive. Of course, this is a quality parameter that will come to the fore only after many hours of gameplay and by then the reviews have already been written and the 'gratuities' from EA have already been received by all the main publishers.

FIFA10 = Pish game. Reviewers = Arselickingcocksucking bonus-grabbing bandits. I trust not a single one of them.

P.S. And no comments about 'learning to defend better' or on FIFA '1-1's should be goals every time so its just realistic'. In FIFA 1-1s just occur out of knowhere and the they happen all the fucking time.

Yeah I said the same exact thing about FIFA09 - even more scripted and therefore more repetitive than PES09. Of course almost none of my friends agreed with me, as they preferred the more "realistic" approach that FIFA09 offered.

And it's very clear that reviewers cannot be trusted these days, neither with PES or FIFA; I actually don't even bother reading trhough all the "bla, bla, bla" BS about the complete package, etc.

May I ask, what has improved in PES10? and is it worth buying?

 

[shaun7]

1vs1 on fifa are the most common goals and that's not realistic. In reality, 1vs1 are hard to get by because they're hard to create unlike in fifa and sometimes they're hard because the keeper closes the net aswell. Well anyway, the shooting in fifa is a major disappointment for sure. Placed shots are the only ones worthy at times but we all know that only skilled players can place a shot like that.
But then fifa has other better things then pes.
Overalll play what you like this year. Both offer realistic approaches towards football.