getting fifa just for online

[Gato]

I fully agree with what you said, I played several matches of PES2010 with my friend Goalgerd today, Messi, Rooney, Ronaldo, etc. are just plain untouchable, even though online this year is vastly improved over the horrors of the last couple of years, things like some players being inhumanly good really destroy the experience.
I had FIFA 10 for Xbox360 and had to get rid of it because the damn 360 decided to die (RRoD), but I've just decided to get it back for PS3.

 

[ferdinand001]

When KONAMI says SIMULATION, back to SIMULATION in PES 2010?? come on... its a joke??

I just have one question, one simple argument to destroy the SIMULATION of konami this year... Its is possible in real life, in real soccer, that Ronaldo or Messi or Kaka or Robinho or Pato or Aguero or Villa or even the actual Ronaldinho can pass 3 players 20 times per match?? that is just IMPOSSIBLE...there is no simulation... If a real player do that, in 10 min of the first half is out in the road to the Hospital...

Maybe the "reaction times" and " the body contact game" its the key to improve the defenders...and the STAMINA the key to decrease the superhuman capacities of the " Crack Players"...

For me FIFA its no an option, because the main purpose in football is score a GOAL and in FIFA it is just souless... the shoting system its absolutely wrong, emotionless...encrypted and unbalanced.

Bad year for football games IMRHO:crymore::no:

 

[shaun7]

But pes is only bad in online. In offline it plays like a simulation. In offline when playing in 2 players, I can stop Ronaldo and messi if I defend well.

 

[bunnywhi7e]

I hope nobody gets offended here but its a known fact (UK football tournaments, competitions etc.) that PES & WE players always dominate FIFA players and that's because of poor gameplay that FIFA has to offer. I bet many FIFA fans are just plain bad at PES & WE and that's where the heat and hate come from. Seems like I was playing different FIFA 10 then some of you ?? because I get no excitement playing that game. The feel is just not there period. No matter how hard I try or how many times I want to like the game, I just cant. Its not there. The depth of the game is just piss poor.

There will always be PES & WE vs FIFA but I know one things for sure. PES will ALWAYS be better in terms of gameplay.

 

[muzza798]

Yh in my circle of friends the pes players including myself always dominate the fifa players on both games

 

[OCKRASS]

Don't Be Biased...

How can anyone say that PES is better than Fifa at this point?

Online gaming, Animations, Refs, Goalkeepers, Collisions, Licenses and gameplay are all components that make a great footie game.....None of the above works on PES. If you are a PES player and you cannot see the above problems....maybe you have your head stuck so far up Seabass arse that you can't see shit....well maybe you can but just wont admit it.

Problem #1 is online gaming.
For the past 3 years....not 1 or 2...Seabass (not Konami) has promised us a working online gaming experience. To this day...this fucker cannot get it right. PES has spiralled downward since it hit next gen consoles and the reason is that Seabass has no fucking clue. Does anyone here need proof?

Here comes along Fifa....a game that has lagged behind PES since ISS.
Improved graphics, animations, lag free online, 360 movements, great realistic gameplay. It has now rightfully earned its place as the number 1 footie game on next gen consoles. This not my opinion, this based on sales and popularity of both games. :crymore:

Now... do we as PES gamers curse the fuck out of Fifa saying it is not as good as PES? Or do we play the fucking game and realize all that is good about the game? :realmad:

In closing...let me first state that none of these games are near being realistic....lets get that st8. It is hard to pass players in Fifa ....as it is also in PES ..unless you are Messi, C. Ronaldo, Kaka ....the list goes on. If we chose to compare games against their pros and cons .....Fifa will win hands down. Fifa works ....PES doesn't.
I am a PES player :erm:

 

[shaun7]

^Sales and popularity depends on the games choosen by customers. And when you choose, it ultimately becomes your opinion. So in the end, it's still based on opinions.
You only mentioned some fifa strong points like collisions (which favours the AI ALOT), animations and movements.
Shooting in fifa is broken. It feels like a baloon.
Individuality is nowhere near pes
Goals in fifa doesn't vary as much as in pes too.
That being said, both games have their good side and bad side and I ahte it when people mention only the right side of the game.

 

[OCKRASS]

^Sales and popularity depends on the games choosen by customers. And when you choose, it ultimately becomes your opinion. So in the end, it's still based on opinions.
You only mentioned some fifa strong points like collisions (which favours the AI ALOT), animations and movements.
Shooting in fifa is broken. It feels like a baloon.
Individuality is nowhere near pes
Goals in fifa doesn't vary as much as in pes too.
That being said, both games have their good side and bad side and I ahte it when people mention only the right side of the game.

WTF are you saying.. "Sales and popularity depends on the games choosen by customers. And when you choose, it ultimately becomes your opinion. So in the end, it's still based on opinions."

Dude if customers decide to choose one product more over another....it is not just an opinion....it basically means one product is better. I hope you realize that.

I don't know how you get that shooting is broken in Fifa....can you shoot and score in Fifa? If you can then it is not broken....maybe not to your liking ...but it works.

Individuality is actually what is killing PES. Some players are very very good some are just very very bad.

They have toned down the super strength of players like Messi and C. Ronaldo ....but if you are an advanced player you can still create havoc with them. Does this mean that the individuality on PES is broken?

 

[muzza798]

Tbh if pes had the premier league license i think i can guarentee that sales would double and fifa's would be slashed.

 

[shaun7]

WTF are you saying.. "Sales and popularity depends on the games choosen by customers. And when you choose, it ultimately becomes your opinion. So in the end, it's still based on opinions."

Dude if customers decide to choose one product more over another....it is not just an opinion....it basically means one product is better. I hope you realize that.

I don't know how you get that shooting is broken in Fifa....can you shoot and score in Fifa? If you can then it is not broken....maybe not to your liking ...but it works.

Individuality is actually what is killing PES. Some players are very very good some are just very very bad.

They have toned down the super strength of players like Messi and C. Ronaldo ....but if you are an advanced player you can still create havoc with them. Does this mean that the individuality on PES is broken?

Let me put it in a simple way.
This year both games have a good side and a bad side (at times this bad side is really bad) so no game is better then the other.
So when customers go to buy agame, they buy what they THINK is best. And when people think, they decide, and when you decide you give an opinion.
Even f 1 game is super bad and the other is super good. A customer can choose the really bad game and say it's good, because that's his opinion. So sales doesn't matter a single bit.

As for shooting in fifa. Go watch some real football and you'll know what I am talking about. In fifa the balls flies like a baloon, no weight and the shot power is way behind reality.

Also on individuality.
I hope you realize how a good passer XAVI IS, HOW GOOD MESSI'S SKILLS ARE AND HOW THEY PLAY. Most players play as their real life counterparts. In fifa, the individuality is there but no where near pes.
And also dribbling in pes 2010 OFFLINE is pretty difficult. You can't run around defenders anymore.

 

[micronian]

When KONAMI says SIMULATION, back to SIMULATION in PES 2010?? come on... its a joke??

I just have one question, one simple argument to destroy the SIMULATION of konami this year... Its is possible in real life, in real soccer, that Ronaldo or Messi or Kaka or Robinho or Pato or Aguero or Villa or even the actual Ronaldinho can pass 3 players 20 times per match?? that is just IMPOSSIBLE...there is no simulation... If a real player do that, in 10 min of the first half is out in the road to the Hospital...

Maybe the "reaction times" and " the body contact game" its the key to improve the defenders...and the STAMINA the key to decrease the superhuman capacities of the " Crack Players"...

For me FIFA its no an option, because the main purpose in football is score a GOAL and in FIFA it is just souless... the shoting system its absolutely wrong, emotionless...encrypted and unbalanced.

Bad year for football games IMRHO:crymore::no:

When you use players like Messi, it pretty much stops being a soccer game. You are now playing "NBA JAM".

With Messi, all you do now is press the "turbo" button and run around the whole court...er...pitch, and score. then run around again, and so on. And they still have more energy left at the 85th minute than half of the other team! it's terrible!

Like, who says Messi or C. Ronaldo is the fastest soccer player on Earth? It could likely be a Korean, or African team, that has the fastest running players. I always think that individual physical attributes should be pretty even with relation to their age on every team. It seems ridiculous that all players on Real Madrid have 80-90 on speed/acceleration while Trinidad & Tobago (who have some super fast 100M olympic athletes) have 75 at best.

That's certainly not a way to create a simulation.

This is where the licenses at FIFA might work for them, as they can get real actual stats from all licensed teams--including in what physical shape players really are.

 

[arakrazy]

lol Messi doesn't have stamina or good tenacity so by the end of the game if he's dribble 4,000 yards he is dead!

And offline, you can just crowd him out.

I feel you are on the T&T team though, surely something should be done there. Unfortunately in the capitalist world we live in, if the people buying the game are most interested in Messi (and they must be, judging by the game's cover) then Konami will spend more time on that.

And I gotta say that, on the ball, Messi or C. Ronaldo7 are probably some of the fastest dribblers on earth that I know. Especially whilst being in total control of the ball (difficult!)

 

[shaun7]

When you use players like Messi, it pretty much stops being a soccer game. You are now playing "NBA JAM".

With Messi, all you do now is press the "turbo" button and run around the whole court...er...pitch, and score. then run around again, and so on. And they still have more energy left at the 85th minute than half of the other team! it's terrible!

Like, who says Messi or C. Ronaldo is the fastest soccer player on Earth? It could likely be a Korean, or African team, that has the fastest running players. I always think that individual physical attributes should be pretty even with relation to their age on every team. It seems ridiculous that all players on Real Madrid have 80-90 on speed/acceleration while Trinidad & Tobago (who have some super fast 100M olympic athletes) have 75 at best.

That's certainly not a way to create a simulation.

This is where the licenses at FIFA might work for them, as they can get real actual stats from all licensed teams--including in what physical shape players really are.

In pes 2010 offline, you can NEVER dribble the whole pitch and score. It depends on the situation.

 

[muzza798]

When you use players like Messi, it pretty much stops being a soccer game. You are now playing "NBA JAM".

With Messi, all you do now is press the "turbo" button and run around the whole court...er...pitch, and score. then run around again, and so on. And they still have more energy left at the 85th minute than half of the other team! it's terrible!

Like, who says Messi or C. Ronaldo is the fastest soccer player on Earth? It could likely be a Korean, or African team, that has the fastest running players. I always think that individual physical attributes should be pretty even with relation to their age on every team. It seems ridiculous that all players on Real Madrid have 80-90 on speed/acceleration while Trinidad & Tobago (who have some super fast 100M olympic athletes) have 75 at best.

That's certainly not a way to create a simulation.

This is where the licenses at FIFA might work for them, as they can get real actual stats from all licensed teams--including in what physical shape players really are.

Completely agree and these have been my thoughts aswell for a while. Imo Fifa has good player individualty. The players in Fifa have good stats and for example in Pes Skrtle is on the verge of being unmoveable (same with kuyt) yet in Fifa they are both lynchpins of the team. Kuyt especially. In fact i'd go as far as saying fifa has better individualty.

In Pes its seems very apt that they just make some teams/players worse to make some seem better. Like you said i bet Togo or w/e have a really fast team but in pes they would be unuseably slow just to make England for example look as good as they apt are. People say fifa has no individuality but thats because in the real World there isnt as much difference between players as pes would let you believe. Pes sais Zidan from Egypt is slow and cant shoot but i think we all know he is a really good player. Fifa have captured him really well and its the same for almost every player n the game.

 

[OCKRASS]

Let me put it in a simple way.
This year both games have a good side and a bad side (at times this bad side is really bad) so no game is better then the other.
So when customers go to buy agame, they buy what they THINK is best. And when people think, they decide, and when you decide you give an opinion.
Even f 1 game is super bad and the other is super good. A customer can choose the really bad game and say it's good, because that's his opinion. So sales doesn't matter a single bit.

As for shooting in fifa. Go watch some real football and you'll know what I am talking about. In fifa the balls flies like a baloon, no weight and the shot power is way behind reality.

Also on individuality.
I hope you realize how a good passer XAVI IS, HOW GOOD MESSI'S SKILLS ARE AND HOW THEY PLAY. Most players play as their real life counterparts. In fifa, the individuality is there but no where near pes.
And also dribbling in pes 2010 OFFLINE is pretty difficult. You can't run around defenders anymore.

I hope for god sake you are not in business or plan to open or manage one. Your understanding of product sales in comparison to product quality is deluded. Let me give you a bit of advice.....if a product is experiencing high volume in sales ....chances are ....its a good product. Guess who decided that? The consumers. This is not an opinion.....its business facts.

Konami's PES 2010 started out with good sales figures because they promised "the King" was back. People bought the product and realized it was fucking shit. So guess what ....sales declined. So while Fifa 10 has remained in the top 40 British games sales ....PES 2010 dropped the fuck off. Now if you believe that this is because " A customer can choose the really bad game and say it's good, because that's his opinion. So sales doesn't matter a single bit." you my friend may be living too close to a nuclear plant or something. :no:

 

[muzza798]

Ive said this befor but most people buy fifa for its licenses its just that now it coinsidently has good gameplay aswell.

 

[Blaz00r]

It seems ridiculous that all players on Real Madrid have 80-90 on speed/acceleration while Trinidad & Tobago (who have some super fast 100M olympic athletes) have 75 at best.

Exactly. Its so stupid that players are given physical stats according to how famous they are. Small teams with unknown players NEVER have speedy players, even if they DO have such players. You don't even have to go that far, Messi's speed is how much? 85-90? Well, Giovinco has a speed of 78!! I mean, come on! He is at least as fast as Messi, and he has such a low and so unreal stat, why?

 

[muzza798]

Exactly. Its so stupid that players are given physical stats according to how famous they are. Small teams with unknown players NEVER have speedy players, even if they DO have such players. You don't even have to go that far, Messi's speed is how much? 85-90? Well, Giovinco has a speed of 78!! I mean, come on! He is at least as fast as Messi, and he has such a low and so unreal stat, why?

True and i dont wanna bang on about it but its one of Fifas stregnths. Maybe Eto and Ronaldo arent like their real life counter parts but atleast the other 90% of players have stats which reflect them well.

Pes needs to balence the stat thing out cos its rediculous atm and tbh it always has been. In Pes Liverpool are useless apart from Torres and Gerrard but on Fifa they are one of the strongest teams in the game and players like Aurelio and even Doessena ffs can put a decent shift in for me. On Pes i'd need to be taking some strong crack befor i even thought about playing Dossena.

Pes gets the good players right but they get everyone else completely wrong. Its even easier for Pes cos they have barely any players to work with anyway. I dont like talking bad about pes as ive defended it constantly but there are some things which are just too annoying to ignor anymore and when you have Fifa as good as it is now i want Pes to do well so badly.

 

[arakrazy]

True and i dont wanna bang on about it but its one of Fifas stregnths. Maybe Eto and Ronaldo arent like their real life counter parts but atleast the other 90% of players have stats which reflect them well.

Pes needs to balence the stat thing out cos its rediculous atm and tbh it always has been. In Pes Liverpool are useless apart from Torres and Gerrard but on Fifa they are one of the strongest teams in the game and players like Aurelio and even Doessena ffs can put a decent shift in for me. On Pes i'd need to be taking some strong crack befor i even thought about playing Dossena.

Pes gets the good players right but they get everyone else completely wrong. Its even easier for Pes cos they have barely any players to work with anyway. I dont like talking bad about pes as ive defended it constantly but there are some things which are just too annoying to ignor anymore and when you have Fifa as good as it is now i want Pes to do well so badly.

Lol I agree with much that has been said, but if I was playing Pes online, I'd, I'd...I'd challenge you! J/k of course, but in PES I love my Liverpool and I'm unbeatable with them on my day.

Combination of lots of hours with them, and good tactics.

Back to Skrtel and Kuyt. Not sure what you meant by they're unmoveable in PES? But in the PES I play, Skrtel has body balance of like 87, and Kuyt is like 82, once Kuyt gets his dribble on, only the best defenders (Puyol, Ferdi, Terry, etc) are gonna take it off him and only if he shows them the ball.

I play Dossena at left back ALWAYS. He's my best left back...even on PES 09 he was. Aurelio rarely gets a look in unless he's on a red and even then only in midfield...if Rieria doesn't wanna play (blue or worse)
P. Degen is a capable deputy...and Insua is good on a red, but 1 season into ML he's not improved enough.

Torres and Gerrard are lynch pins definitely, and a cut above the rest, but everyone knows this, and its the same in real life. Remove them from the team and we look mid table at best. In PES, without them I can just about hold on to a game, and will probably concede 1 or 2 unless Reina is on crack.
On PES 09 it was funny because even with Stevie G injured, (on exhibition) I'd play on as he was as good as most midfielders even with decreased stats - especially the passing, shot power, slide tackles and body balance.

Okay, I've diverted from the point (and given away more free tips!). Because in real life, Dossena only got games last season (haven't been following hard enough to know if I'm wrong here) and scored a couple of fun goals...but perhaps here Konami's stats are a little skewiff.

And you're definitely right - banging on about famous players sometimes can just detract from the fact that 90% of the rest of the world has wrong stats.

Then again, I look at my Super Eagles - the NIG, the Brazil of Africa - Nigeria.
Not licensed in the game, wrong names, but dear Lord my african brothers are hard working. Amazing strength and speed in almost every department. Okay, some of the key players have made it in top-flight football outside of Africa, but even the 2nd picks have great strength and speed, which is at least part testament to some good thinking by some dogsbody at Konami.

Anyway, good discussion here. As I pointed out on my intro, I'm only playing PES cos it's my only choice. Granted, I lovit, but if I got hooked on FIFA, who knows?

 

[muzza798]

^^ I do see where your coming from but after i used Liverpool on Fifa i fell in love with the game. In Fifa players like Riera, Mascherano and Kuyt are really good and i can be deadly with them but in Pes they're like controlling a team of braindead tortois'. You cant do anything with them. If ive got Reira and im up against Dani Alves i might aswell call Vinnie Jones out of retirement and play him at left wing cos it wont make a difference. When i use the Pool in fifa though its a totally different story. Its like using the team that we had at the end of last season contrast to pes which is like using the present Liverpool side. In fifa i can play just like Liverpool do. The way we get things done quickly playing sharpe but deadly balls and keeping possession and getting up the pitch fast.

It feels like the real Liverpool. Mashcerano can hound people down really fast as in real life, Johnson is super fast and can bomb forward and Carra is not a complete lemon. Yh the shooting isnt great in fifa but it does help keep the scorelines down and they get everything else pretty much spot on. The contact system and general movement of players completely immerses you as they seem like real players. Maybe thats going too far.

The whole stats thing in Pes where by they reduce everyones stats to aid a few destroyes the online. Thats why everyone picks a big team cos if you dont you'll likely be destroyed in a matter of nano seconds befor you've even taken a breath. In Fifa the generous dishing out of stats that are true to life means you come across an aray of different teams and play styles. You could play against Lazio or Valladolid alot more often that in Pes which is something i like. Not only do i play against those teams i can use them aswell as the gameplay mechanics alow me to actually play some football and get a decent run out . I could be Accrington Stanly against Madrid online with a mate as a guest and if we use solid teamwork we could pull the cat out of the proverbial bag with imense satisfaction and the teamwork required to win in Fifa is strong and great when you combine a move. In pes it just feels a bit elitist. Like cos only the Messi's and Ronaldo's etc are actually good you have to be them or you'll be beaten. The stats impact too much on the game. Its like playing top trumps ffs.

It also teaches me about World football that way. Ive learnt alot from playing against these small teams like i forgot all about Cassano until som1 used Sampodoria against me and ive learnt about so many players and teams and what players are good at etc. Its like im learning as i play. Dont get me wrong. I love pes and the ML is the epity of gaming for me but these days i mainly buy a few games here and there and pretty much only play them online. I havnt got the patience anymore to sit there and do my ML cos they took out memorial match with updated stats. They must of been specifically trying to piss me off when they took that out. If Pes sorted out the stats it would make the game more accessable online and would improve it overall. Pes does things great like offline and shooting and player faces but they seriously need to sort out the movement and contact system. I dont care if it completely changes the gameplay anymore cos it just needs to be done. I thought could learn to accept the new next gen clunkyness of Pes but when i play Fifa its hard to see why i should bother.