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Goalgerd Chimps with Quiffs Edited Gameplay Pes 2011 Ps3 Option File

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Chimps

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woodhead4780 said:
I'm still using the WENB OF but desperate to incorporate championship teams into the game so i can get cracking with ML.

Going to download the file @ the weekend, do you forsee any further changes being made before then?

Cheers
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Yes. I would hope that an updated file will be out with the French and Dutch league done at some point towards the weekend
 
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Chimps

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Sminky Pinky said:
Alright mate, what are using as the source material towards modding teams? World Soccer mag, match reports, match highlights, live games etc?
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Seen first hand most teams in the championship and premier league play and have always took an interest in other leagues outside the uk.

I have been editing the game for years starting of on the pc where people make global stat changes using 3rd party editors to apply changes to all players in the game. Over the years editing has progressed as peoples understanding has got better, but majority of people just make wholesale changes to things like speed and shooting in all players. Over the years I have moved away from this type of editing and started concentrating more on how the opposition play as well as how your own players move and fine tuning the balance of game.

When I moved to the PS3 I didn’t set out to create option files but because the first version on the PS3 were poor, I found myself trying editing it and before long realised I could edit one league in few hours. Because I need to edit each player individually on the PS3, I end up with a much better option file than blindly apply global stat changes to all players.

The changes I make are more designed to make the game play realistic and enjoyable rather than to perfectly represent every player in the game. There is some people who will spend ages coming up with stats that they think accurately reflects a player, but this often doesn’t take into account how the game interprets these stats and even if it perfectly did, unless they then go through every other player and make the same level of changes the effect on the game play of that team is very small, let alone the game play to the entire game and after even doing all that, they is no gaurantee that the game play will improve,

I set out to improve the game by changing what I think it needs which in this version is to balance the gap between small and big teams ( as it is every year), improve responsiveness, give fast attackers the ability to stay ahead of slow defenders and to increase the difficulty of top player and finally to then balance the speed of the game.

Along the way the vast majority of players will be given much more accurate stats as the majority of players in the game who are not at top clubs are unresponsive, don’t have AI that will make them a challenge to play against and if they are a striker, they will be painfully slow and unable to shoot, which makes then rubbish to play with and against as they cannot score against you.

As well as this the players at top clubs who I think have been given wrong stats are changed with some being improved and some super human players being brought down.

I then test the game a great deal with games between teams in each league and then between teams from different leagues and fine-tune it. This takes the most time as having a one player running or passing the ball too fast by as little as 1 or 2 can unbalance games.

I work in software production for a company that has major releases of world wide available products and know how surprisingly little concentration is given to very big annual releases that the company depends on as they think adding a few new features will keep people interested. Because of this and looking at the changes to player database in the game each year, I honestly think that I spend more time each year editing the actual game play of this game than anyone in its development and its annoying as the game could wipe the floor with Fifa if they just concentrated on the balance of the game and not use how much control you have over players and their physical attributes to define their ability.
 
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Sminky

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Chimps said:
Seen first hand most teams in the championship and premier league play and have always took an interest in other leagues outside the uk.

I have been editing the game for years starting of on the pc where people make global stat changes using 3rd party editors to apply changes to all players in the game. Over the years editing has progressed as peoples understanding has got better, but majority of people just make wholesale changes to things like speed and shooting in all players. Over the years I have moved away from this type of editing and started concentrating more on how the opposition play as well as how your own players move and fine tuning the balance of game.

When I moved to the PS3 I didn’t set out to create option files but because the first version on the PS3 were poor, I found myself trying editing it and before long realised I could edit one league in few hours. Because I need to edit each player individually on the PS3, I end up with a much better option file than blindly apply global stat changes to all players.

The changes I make are more designed to make the game play realistic and enjoyable rather than to perfectly represent every player in the game. There is some people who will spend ages coming up with stats that they think accurately reflects a player, but this often doesn’t take into account how the game interprets these stats and even if it perfectly did, unless they then go through every other player and make the same level of changes the effect on the game play of that team is very small, let alone the game play to the entire game and after even doing all that, they is no gaurantee that the game play will improve,

I set out to improve the game by changing what I think it needs which in this version is to balance the gap between small and big teams ( as it is every year), improve responsiveness, give fast attackers the ability to stay ahead of slow defenders and to increase the difficulty of top player and finally to then balance the speed of the game.

Along the way the vast majority of players will be given much more accurate stats as the majority of players in the game who are not at top clubs are unresponsive, don’t have AI that will make them a challenge to play against and if they are a striker, they will be painfully slow and unable to shoot, which makes then rubbish to play with and against as they cannot score against you.

As well as this the players at top clubs who I think have been given wrong stats are changed with some being improved and some super human players being brought down.

I then test the game a great deal with games between teams in each league and then between teams from different leagues and fine-tune it. This takes the most time as having a one player running or passing the ball too fast by as little as 1 or 2 can unbalance games.

I work in software production for a company that has major releases of world wide available products and know how surprisingly little concentration is given to very big annual releases that the company depends on as they think adding a few new features will keep people interested. Because of this and looking at the changes to player database in the game each year, I honestly think that I spend more time each year editing the actual game play of this game than anyone in its development and its annoying as the game could wipe the floor with Fifa if they just concentrated on the balance of the game and not use how much control you have over players and their physical attributes to define their ability.
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I know what you mean regarding the stats, originally I tried to edit as many players as possible to give the game the right feel but it took too long. I then realised at Top player the AI seems to 'bend' these stat so what you are doing and have done on the previous PES' makes sense.
 
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cklarock

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Thanks for the manifesto, Chimps. We appreciate your work. I've been playing around with the 1.1 OF, and am looking forward to the next release. Do you plan to edit the teams from D2 as well?

, I honestly think that I spend more time each year editing the actual game play of this game than anyone in its development
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I bet you do -- I also bet that the person working on stats isn't playtesting his numbers, and I'll also bet that he doesn't work particularly closely with the developers who are changing what those numbers mean for gameplay on a week-to-week basis.

I've been saying for years now that Konami need to treat the fan editors like a full FIFA license (because, in practice, you are); and now I can add like a gameplay developer as well.

Thanks for the hard work on this, I'm struggling to remain patient for the new release before starting my Master League!
 
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woodhead4780

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cklarock said:
Thanks for the manifesto, Chimps. We appreciate your work. I've been playing around with the 1.1 OF, and am looking forward to the next release. Do you plan to edit the teams from D2 as well?



I bet you do -- I also bet that the person working on stats isn't playtesting his numbers, and I'll also bet that he doesn't work particularly closely with the developers who are changing what those numbers mean for gameplay on a week-to-week basis.

I've been saying for years now that Konami need to treat the fan editors like a full FIFA license (because, in practice, you are); and now I can add like a gameplay developer as well.

Thanks for the hard work on this, I'm struggling to remain patient for the new release before starting my Master League!
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I've no doubt that the people who make this game have NO real football experience and are just gameplay monkeys.

This is why time after time they struggle to replicate the game and apply common sense!
 
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Bellamy_Dean83

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Is there any chance you can publish a rough list of what has been updated in this update. Is it stats for Dutch and French teams only, or is Goalgerd's work in there too. (extra teams etc.)
 
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goalgerd

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Bellamy_Dean83 said:
Is there any chance you can publish a rough list of what has been updated in this update. Is it stats for Dutch and French teams only, or is Goalgerd's work in there too. (extra teams etc.)
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stats for the 2 leagues ,il work on the new teams and have them ready by next weekend
 
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Chimps

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goalgerd said:
thanks, il get working on the new teams,you take a few days off man .il send you back my finished file next weekend then you can start on the other 3 sections remaining :)
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OK.

Playing the game back, I think the extra time I have spent on the French and Dutch league has payed off. I am happier with them than the other leagues as the speed feels better.
 
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Chimps

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goalgerd said:
stats for the 2 leagues ,il work on the new teams and have them ready by next weekend
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Just been playing against Lyon and couldnt beat them with Inter, Man City, Valencia or AC Milan. I don't remember specifically making them good and their not that easy to play with, but almost unstoppable playing against them on top player
 
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beachboy3919

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lyon

Chimps said:
Just been playing against Lyon and couldnt beat them with Inter, Man City, Valencia or AC Milan. I don't remember specifically making them good and their not that easy to play with, but almost unstoppable playing against them on top player
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you guys doing great stuff.
but one comment are lyon that good in real life
benfica put 4 past them before they woke up
 
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Bellamy_Dean83

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So have you done the stats for the Italian league aswell if your playing as Milan against Lyon? Did I miss that you've done the stats for English, Italian and Spanish leagues already?
 
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Chimps

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Bellamy_Dean83 said:
So have you done the stats for the Italian league aswell if your playing as Milan against Lyon? Did I miss that you've done the stats for English, Italian and Spanish leagues already?
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Yeah, all the normal leagues have been done, though I will probably revist some of the teams in them as going back to the big clubs in the premier and italian league, some may be a little too fast.

The game seems to now play best on -1 speed. This seems ideal until you use a team like Man City and they seem a little too fast.
 
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goalgerd

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added the 4 new teams and fixed all formations,chimps il have this file ready for you by wednesday
 
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