Have you not heard the rumour yet? (Yes you have)
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Die Hard Pes Fan
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I hope so for all the fans sake, and Konami because lots of fans will leave to Fifa unfortuantly, but not me however, I will always buy PES because for me its better altogether and easier to get into, but for some reason I cant get into Fifa games just seems to... I dont know how to explain it, boring, the goals all look the same and all you have to do it hold the left trigger and hey presto its a goal, and then next shot its the same.
shankly is god
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Fifa has more news comming out on the 19th so im gussing it will be roughly the same for pes
Perfectstrik
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pes09 is still a great game that is superior to fifa09 despite its auto tackling,poor collision detection and limited 8-axis control.
After 9 months of playing pes09 i personally think its the best pes in the series as its more measued and realistic you just have to make the transition from the more forgiving ps2 versions that to be fare where a little on the arcadie side and a bit unrealistic despite having pretty descent gameplay.
Better annimation and more refinement plus more stable ai would certainly make PES2010 a better game then PES09 but i think konami have got something bigger and better and a step up from what we have had for the last ten years...like i have said previously pes is one of the few games today in 3d that uses 8-axis movement and this backwards 2d restrictive system has to be put to bed.
P.S Before people reply to my comment by saying that pes09 has unrealistic 90 degree turns with no loss of pace and the ability to skin a whole team with one player i know this its just the finer details in pes09 like the better ball physics and the flight of the ball and the way you can defend better and retain possession setting up camp in the opposition half just ploughing on the pressure or the better improved long pass and the ability to build more and have more of a end product from your build up play or open your body up on shots.Things like the poor goalkeeping and over egged momentum shift are minor flaws that dont detract to much from what is fundamentally a fairly solid game.
This might upset some people but i feel pes5 and 6 are overated and full of flaws that people gloss over and easily forget.
iamcanadianeh
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Because you can't do it with the D Pad. You could with those more simplistic dribbling systems like AS3 and Perfect Striker, but with a proper 360 dribble you need analog or it is impossible. Think about it.
So... Why they haven't switched to all analog??? Well, for one, I've been on the various PES/We forums for years, and I can tell you that it's not something that people have been complaining about much, if at all, in the past 4-5 years. We've had bigger problems and wishes. Fifa didn't switch either, so the consensus of the importance of this was about the same for both companies until now, it seems.
Rob21C_UK
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I know, I was playing AS3 last night with a PS2 Dualshock 2 controller using the Analogue Stick and it works in 360º like it should. Maybe the reason for that is because AS3 is a PC game and Analogue was on the PC before the consoles (barring steering wheels). Before I found AS3 and played it again, I thought it would be a system where the player would move in an arc between say a 90º angle to a 45º angle (east to north east). Was quite a suprise to see how well it worked on the analogue stick (just pure player movement)
You have hit the nail on the head about the reasons why it hasn't been implemented sooner. Still, would have thought they would innovate a bit more or give you both options. Especially Konami as they have had it in a previous series of games.
Perfectstrik
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thats the reason,you answered your own comment the reason 360 movement hasnt been implemented is because of the d-pad and a small minoritys preference to this ageing restrictive system which has slowed down the evolution of the football genre.
Currently more people now use the left analog stick and the genre needs to move forward alot of the problems you talk about are generated by the limited control of 8-axis and the cpu compensating for these restrictions in passing and shooting,this is why heading in football games is so poor as well as the ability to spot a cross from extreme angles manually or have better placement accuracy.
Its all going to change this year though my friend your see in the next ten days,the d-pad went out of fashion when games went 3d and this year will see its retirement.
Also the reason people havent been complaining about 8-axis movement is because they have only ever played pes so dont no any different,once you have had this freedom everything else is just the next best thing.
ive played pes for ten years but also played ISS and PERFECT STRIKER and given the choice i would rather have fluid movement and unrestrictive control.
shaun7
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Pes 09 is FULL of flaw not 5 and 6. Play them again and see the difference when compared to real football.
Pes 5 and 6 were even better than fifa 09 in some cases and considering that they were released in 2005-2006, they deserve more praise.
So now, if you want to compare pes 5 or 6 vs pes 09 I have no problem listing the bad things from both games.
I personally feel that pes 5 had the best balance. Not arcade like in pes 09, but a proper balance between attacking and defending.
BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH PES 09 WAS THAT IT WAS TOO AI CONTROLLED. NO PLAYER SKILL IS INVOLVED. Or at least surley not as much as in pes 5. Hey I know what I am saying. I am not one of those who loves to slate pes 09. I don't hate it. It has some really good things like shooting and responsivness but still in the end as a whole game, pes 5 especially wins it easy because it was a more simulation of football.
Rob21C_UK
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I still use the D-Pad over the Analogue stick because I feel it works better with the 8-way movement. When I play PES on the Analogue stick I feel like I lack responsiveness due to the limitation of the 8 way movement system. Would prefer to use the analogue stick so i'm hoping 360º is in PES2010.
Also an update from PESFan.com will be of interest:
"PES2010 Q&A Session
Afternoon everybody, some really exciting news afoot.
As a portion of users may already know, here at PESFan towers we’re lucky enough to have got hold of the latest PES2010 code, and it is splendid. Honestly, going back to PES2009 afterwards feels like a total chore.
Which leads on to my next point. We’d like to offer you all the chance to have your questions asked in a Q&A session we’ll be holding over the next week. We won’t be able to answer them until Gamescom, but be assured we’ll try and get as many replied to as we can past that point.
I know some of you have asked questions before that haven’t got answered, but feel free to ask them again and you’ll have a much much higher chance of getting a reply this time around. We can literally just turn the console on and find out what you want to know.
This has the potential to be brand new PES2010 information depending on the questions you ask, so get thinking of some good ones, post them in this thread, and you’ll have the answers next week.
Cheers."
Sounds like we're not going to hear anything till Gamescom.
hearing its a chore from PESfan, Eurogammer saying the difference is quite dramatic and cannagia saying the game feeling was different is enough evidence that the game is looking positive and with the implementation of the new animations and the 'huge' news surely it has improved alot. I am optimistic. For some reason i think PES will surpass Fifa this year, just being positive
Perfectstrik
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agreed pes5 has a better tempo and a more realistic pace but has sticky players and no dash button which was totally unrealistic plus it was played out at a walking pace,football slows down and speeds up depending on how compact the play is and how stretched the game becomes,but i do agree pes09 is to fast.
the defending was awful in previous ps2 pes games and was to reliant on the press button which you dont need to use in pes09,this for me is simplistic and arcadie using a button to orchestrate pressing of the ball when player control should be better to allow the user to defend better himself.
also the right trick stick very arcadie and im glad even pes2010 is sticking with having this on the left thumbstick but with the r2 trigger used together with the left thumbstick to innitiate tricks as this is realistic.
Perfectstrik
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they merged and some of the team went on to create the zone of enders games and also work on the metal gear solid games.
in my opinion kceo where the better team....but have been pulled back to do alot of work on pes2010 which will mean a much better game this year as kceo where the masters of mo-capping.
Desijut
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There's a beautiful free kick floated in there about half way through the vid, funny how the free kicks in the game 3-4 years later are like the most disgusting feeling ever.
Remembering some of the matches I had with mates over the years while looking at the older versions again, PES2009 is appalling in ever aspect of the word. All PES6 ever needed was a decent option file and a few new features and everybody would of been delighted.
Instead the developers messed with the one thing that the game had that no other footy could touch and that was the proud feeling you got when you finally put that ball in the net, it's just gone. You all remember it. :'(
Remembering some of the matches I had with mates over the years while looking at the older versions again, PES2009 is appalling in ever aspect of the word. All PES6 ever needed was a decent option file and a few new features and everybody would of been delighted.
Instead the developers messed with the one thing that the game had that no other footy could touch and that was the proud feeling you got when you finally put that ball in the net, it's just gone. You all remember it. :'(
shaun7
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i remember the headers looked a lot better back in the days of oven (owen) and betty (batty) in iss98. they kind of had a pencil jump but who ever was at the back looked to get the lean over their opponents. that was the first iss i ever played and still stands the test of time, quite similar to that striker 3 you all refer to by the looks of it
Perfectstrik
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perfect striker 3 was just a refined and much better looking version of ISS on the n64 that had more simulated gameplay but fundamentally it was the same code and the controller configuration and implementation was the same.I was a massive ISS fan on the N64 and played the japanese versions for years under the name perfect striker.
Because everything was motion captured these games did look very realistic and where very fluid to play and your right they still play well today and had magic ai for there time.
The heading of the ball was first class something that pes badly needs plus you could play head tennis with the ball thats how refined these games where.
perfect striker 3 and pes09 are similiar except pes isnt as fluid and as polished in the passing and shooting department.
If konami manage to get pes2010 to be as fluid as this game and have the lovely 360 degree passing and movement we will have one hell of a game this autumm as that level of fluidity and freedom in passing and shooting will make a massive difference as pes has always felt like a chore against these games as you could link up all your play so well plus be very creative with the ball.
I do really enjoy pes have done for 9 years but theres a lot missing from pes that ISS had on the n64 and while the more realistic dribbling of pes and the short pass is better in a lot of other ways these earlier games are still superior.
I have friends that have only played pes that i have demonstrated perfect striker 3 to and they went into shock when they tryed it as they couldnt believe how fluid and free this game was and where very suprised pes has been so rigid and flat for so long and so limited in its movement and passing.What suprised them the most was the tricks and the way i could manually cross the ball from extreme angles from the wings like real pros which can only be done by pressing the l1 and circle buttons in pes which is very automatic.Also the freedom of passing suprised them on a 32-axis plain and how responsive the game was.Needless to say they now have there own copys of this game and have said that much prefer this game to pes now and that konami seriously need to raise the bar with pes2010 to get pes near this standard.
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