I bet it's gonna suck

[Sakdov]

People are saying that the shooting is pretty good
then explain this, why is it that instead of volleying when the ball gets
to the end of the box after a corner kick, every single player even with a technique of 1, does a scissors kick?

I find the opposite ... My players always go for the volley ... No matter what i try i just cant seem to get players to scissor kick. When i played the demo i saw them all the time but retail in over 600 games i have seen them probably less than 50 times.I dunno why the majority seem to see scissor kicks all the time and some of us so little.

Maybe its because i don't mash the button while the ball is dropping? Maybe i wait for the ball to drop to the right height for the volley?

 

[Sminky]

i bet the names are going to be gay again aswell :realmad:

Far from eloquent, but, we all know by now that licensing is always going to be an issue. Thankfully we have an option file community here that put time into correcting such minor failings.

 

[Sabatasso]

i bet the names are going to be gay again aswell :realmad:

Besides Gaylord, I wonder what names are truly gay...

 

[oggmeista]

Well, obviously, I am certain that PES2012 is going to suck. They have probably reinvented some of the game, but have ignored the usual and game breaking flaws. You'll see.

But I will happily eat my own words if the game turns out great, nothing will make me happier to be honest. But at least I won't be disappointed this time around, when the game annoys the living shit out of me after a week and I desperately try to tweak it into a play-worthy condition.

I think "suck" is too strong a term :huh:

In any case what may be something that you don't like might be what somebody else does like and vice versa personally I believe 100 percent it blows Fifa out of the stadium! (got fifa 11 last year due to hype uninstalled after about a week .. what aload of absoloute ***** :angry:

 

[Montanaro]

so...we've hardly had any more news...

 

[OCKRASS]

I think "suck" is too strong a term :huh:

In any case what may be something that you don't like might be what somebody else does like and vice versa personally I believe 100 percent it blows Fifa out of the stadium! (got fifa 11 last year due to hype uninstalled after about a week .. what aload of absoloute ***** :angry:

Did you say something about "....blows Fifa out of the stadium.."?

Really!:shocking:

Well take a look here buddy......and keep talking your sheeitt. :w00t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x93ib9RQY-M&NR=1

Lets Fifa Buddy.............

 

[Sabatasso]

(got fifa 11 last year due to hype uninstalled after about a week .. what aload of absoloute ***** :angry:

FIFA ain't automatically crap, just as PES aren't automatically fantastic.
Not saying that I actually believe it's gonna happen, but I would say it's a decent chance FIFA's gonna be better than PES this year.

I listen to the same crap interviews every year. I don't know about you guys, but I've never read a truly honest interview with a game producer.

Before PES 2009, Seabass went on about how great the game was, this and that fluidly implemented. The game was a hunk of unpolished crap that needed endless hours of work to be worth playing.

Same story for the 2010 version, except it never became worth playing no matter what you tweaked.

2011 was a surprise in many ways, as much of the stuff Seabass mentioned in the interviews were actually in the game. But it was poorly implemented, the same crappy AI as before, and the same hairs and graphics that has been around since forever.

One would think that a bunch of coders would be able to tweak this game into something good after so many years, as they don't seem to renew very much each year. I am still quite sure that Seabass is the only play tester, and if he is, his football knowledge is about as impressive as a barking dog.

And despite all this, I still hope for a good game. I doubt it will be fantastic, but if they at least improve PES2011 it would be a welcome addition. That is how low my expectations really are...

 

[shaun7]

^No man, fifa had the chance last year to get rid of pes, BUT FAILED.
As you may know, I was a pes fan, but switched to fifa in 09, but made the switch back to pes in 11. I actually got fifa 11 before pes 11 because I had faith that pes will suck and fifa will be better.

But I was wrong.

Fifa 11 in short.
Every team plays the same
No personality despite EA claiming it to be in
Career mode bugged and I really do mean BUGGED up to a point where the craeere is scripted to get rid of you at some point (after seasons with the same team, the game does everything to get rid of you. YES MAJOR SCRIPTING LIKE THE SAME PLAYER SCORING, IF YOU RESET A GAME and the same events happen if you reset the year only via a seperate save).
Strength and speed are the only attributes that matter
Technique is no where to be seen
Goal variation is VERY minimal.
Superhuman goalers, even 2nd divions gks.
Dribbling. Stupid. Messi doesn't exist on fifa because he's not tall and strong.

The list could go on forever.

Now with all that, let me tell you why I ahve to faith in fifa 12.
I listened to some interviews and the developers said
After the huge success that personality + was they will turn the focus to tackling and animations.
REALLY? REALLY?
That won't improve the game. That's only visual stuff to blind people.

It WON'T FIX THE CORE ISSUES I LISTED.

So no, rest assured that fifa 12 won't beat pes in my book and in those' who aren't blinded by fifa's animations and visual presentations.

However I agree about not expecting much because you'll be disappointed. It's better if pes 12 is truly as good as they're saying to expect less and then be surprised.

 

[Sabatasso]

So no, rest assured that fifa 12 won't beat pes in my book and in those' who aren't blinded by fifa's animations and visual presentations.

However I agree about not expecting much because you'll be disappointed. It's better if pes 12 is truly as good as they're saying to expect less and then be surprised.

I think you misunderstood me a bit there, because I was unlcear. But I don't believe FIFA will be better because they suddenly make a good game. But the odds are that Konami fucks it up so badly, as has happened before, that FIFA surpass them in playability anyway.

Anyway, I still kick it with PES 2009. After many modifications and tweaks, that game offer a pretty decent BAL experience.

 

[abu97]

fifa 09 kills pes 2009.
However after fifa 09 the gameplay has always been the same and the good thing about pes is that the gameplay actually improves but not on ps2

 

[shaun7]

I think you misunderstood me a bit there, because I was unlcear. But I don't believe FIFA will be better because they suddenly make a good game. But the odds are that Konami fucks it up so badly, as has happened before, that FIFA surpass them in playability anyway.

Anyway, I still kick it with PES 2009. After many modifications and tweaks, that game offer a pretty decent BAL experience.

I agree 100% about BAL. This year's bal had the best AI BUT THE RESPONSE TIME KILLS IT. It takes too long to change a direction that the defender will outrun you and outpower you. It's stupidly annoying.

I think the improved response times in pes 12 over 11 will MAKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT and will solve lots of problems in both attack and defence.

 

[Amateur]

FIFA ain't automatically crap, just as PES aren't automatically fantastic.
Not saying that I actually believe it's gonna happen, but I would say it's a decent chance FIFA's gonna be better than PES this year.

I listen to the same crap interviews every year. I don't know about you guys, but I've never read a truly honest interview with a game producer.

Before PES 2009, Seabass went on about how great the game was, this and that fluidly implemented. The game was a hunk of unpolished crap that needed endless hours of work to be worth playing.

Same story for the 2010 version, except it never became worth playing no matter what you tweaked.

2011 was a surprise in many ways, as much of the stuff Seabass mentioned in the interviews were actually in the game. But it was poorly implemented, the same crappy AI as before, and the same hairs and graphics that has been around since forever.

One would think that a bunch of coders would be able to tweak this game into something good after so many years, as they don't seem to renew very much each year. I am still quite sure that Seabass is the only play tester, and if he is, his football knowledge is about as impressive as a barking dog.

And despite all this, I still hope for a good game. I doubt it will be fantastic, but if they at least improve PES2011 it would be a welcome addition. That is how low my expectations really are...

The difference between PES09 and PES10, FIFA09 and FIFA10, just tells you that there is something missing.

PES11 was a massive improvement on PES10, but only in terms of execution because the fundamental areas of the game remain untouched.

It is like you mentioned. One would think that a bunch of coders would be able to implement some structure and some substance into the game, which is what the game needs the most; but clearly, the coders do not seem interested at all, since the yearly improvements are just very minor tweaks that only deal with the execution of the game without improving on the structure and substance of the game.

I think PES12 will be a decent game, because PES11 has the potential to be a decent game. However, it will not be anything innovative nor revolutionary, which is disappointing if you consider the years that have passed since PES5.

 

[OCKRASS]

^No man, fifa had the chance last year to get rid of pes, BUT FAILED.
As you may know, I was a pes fan, but switched to fifa in 09, but made the switch back to pes in 11. I actually got fifa 11 before pes 11 because I had faith that pes will suck and fifa will be better.

But I was wrong.

Fifa 11 in short.
Every team plays the same
No personality despite EA claiming it to be in
Career mode bugged and I really do mean BUGGED up to a point where the craeere is scripted to get rid of you at some point (after seasons with the same team, the game does everything to get rid of you. YES MAJOR SCRIPTING LIKE THE SAME PLAYER SCORING, IF YOU RESET A GAME and the same events happen if you reset the year only via a seperate save).
Strength and speed are the only attributes that matter
Technique is no where to be seen
Goal variation is VERY minimal.
Superhuman goalers, even 2nd divions gks.
Dribbling. Stupid. Messi doesn't exist on fifa because he's not tall and strong.

The list could go on forever.

Now with all that, let me tell you why I ahve to faith in fifa 12.
I listened to some interviews and the developers said
After the huge success that personality + was they will turn the focus to tackling and animations.
REALLY? REALLY?
That won't improve the game. That's only visual stuff to blind people.

It WON'T FIX THE CORE ISSUES I LISTED.

So no, rest assured that fifa 12 won't beat pes in my book and in those' who aren't blinded by fifa's animations and visual presentations.

However I agree about not expecting much because you'll be disappointed. It's better if pes 12 is truly as good as they're saying to expect less and then be surprised.

Sup Shaun,

I respect the fact that you have gone back to PES but please do not let your lack of skill blur your understanding of what Fifa has evolved into....a great solid game.

Firstly, not every team plays the same way in Fifa! If that was so Chicago Red Bulls would up against Real Madrid online everyday. Ridiculous!

Next, Personality plus is evident in the game. Especially in players like CR9, Messi, Drogba and a very strong defender named Pepe.....(Anyone who plays Fifa feels this)

Not all the players have Personality + but it is evident to all Fifa players like myself. Still a work in progress. But some players have better passing, dribbling and techique than others. Would you call that a personality?

Career Mode is bugged. I will admit that.

Strength and speed are a couple attributes that add to the personality of players in Fifa. Drogba strong and CR9 fast. However, players like Messi and CR9 have a personality of technique which has to be practiced and mastered.

I am sure you have seen vids of Fifa online with players labelled "skillers" who uses the techniques of players to beat their competition.
Nut megs, Rabonas, 360 turns, side steps ...you name it, once mastered the game becomes really fun. This also adds to goal variation which you mentioned, maybe because you could only score from one section of the field. The variation of goals in Fifa super exceeds PES.

Currently, there are only a few skills in PES making the game a run, pass and shoot game. Players in PES cannot even juggle a ball ....but yet still some think it is more "realistic" than Fifa. Do you recognize the dept of skill, technique and variation of animations in Fifa? I don't think so.

Let me also address the talk of "scripting" in video games. I have seen the misuse of the term in an effort to justify the poor skills of users like yourself in games.

EVERY SINGLE MOVE IN ANY VIDEO GAME IS CONTROLLED BY A PRE-DESIGNED SCRIPT. THIS INCLUDES PLAYER INPUT AND AI REACTIONS. THESE SCRIPTS ARE CODED INTO EVERY VIDEO GAME.

PLAYER INPUT IS ALSO A SCRIPT. EXAMPLE

IF A PASSES BALL B INTERCEPTS Y OR N
IF Y OPPOSITION WINS BALL
IF N A PASSES AGAIN ....

Now, have you ever noticed that when you have the ball and try to pass it to a player, he passes it to someone else? Bad scripting yes.

PES is riddled with that.

Now, when defenders in PES run away from oncoming forwards...it is infact the cause of bad coding or scripting. Like movies, the directors planned it out badly.

Now, when a team attacks and you are unable to defend and the same player keeps scoring against you....unless ...

1) You cannot foul him even if you try..he "ghosts" thru limbs
2) You cannot control your defenders...(cursor switch prob by PES)
3) You cannot keep a steady defense back line (bad AI)

....then you just maybe sheit at the game and need more practice.

Let me make this clear.

Fifa is a better game that PES because the coding/scripting in Fifa is less flawed. Still flawed but by less. Get that str8.

I hope this opens up some light for you on video games.

Ohhh....just a quick note. Fifa has kicked PES arse for the past 3yrs ...very badly. Seabass has also recently admitted the superiority and leadership of Fifa to PES.

Do you know why?

PESgaming and Pes supporter since 2004
Not a member of a single Fifa site
I dare you to say I am a Fifa Fanboy :lol:


peace

 

[shaun7]

@OCKRASS
I never said pes was flawless. It's actually quite flawed, but not fundamentally flawed like fifa is. Pes only has bad execution but at it's core, it's quite good. Fifa is the other way round. It executes everything nicely and looks finished, but at it's core, it's just gloss over cracks.

Firstly, not every team plays the same way in Fifa! If that was so Chicago Red Bulls would up against Real Madrid online everyday. Ridiculous!

Every team can score the same goals (which there isn't many different goals to begin with) and apart from speed and strength, the players all feel the same. A slight difference in passing, but barely noticebale.

Next, Personality plus is evident in the game. Especially in players like CR9, Messi, Drogba and a very strong defender named Pepe.....(Anyone who plays Fifa feels this)

Not all the players have Personality + but it is evident to all Fifa players like myself. Still a work in progress. But some players have better passing, dribbling and techique than others. Would you call that a personality?

Apart from speed and strength, the players are all the same. And technique does not exist in fifa. All it does it the tricks, tricks and tricks. You cannot do the messi style in fifa. Fifa's moves are all flair that doesn't make it right. It's imbalanced. The personality is slightly better, but again, only in evident areas like speed and strength and VERY SLIGHTLY in passing.

Strength and speed are a couple attributes that add to the personality of players in Fifa. Drogba strong and CR9 fast. However, players like Messi and CR9 have a personality of technique which has to be practiced and mastered.

I am sure you have seen vids of Fifa online with players labelled "skillers" who uses the techniques of players to beat their competition.
Nut megs, Rabonas, 360 turns, side steps ...you name it, once mastered the game becomes really fun. This also adds to goal variation which you mentioned, maybe because you could only score from one section of the field. The variation of goals in Fifa super exceeds PES.

Correction. Strength and speed and overrated especially strength in fifa and are the only attributes that really matter in the game. Technique does not exist because of the superhuman pressure and the fact that every time you beat a defender, you will enter a battle of strength at some point and players like messi will not prevail. Where is the body balance in fifa? Nowhere because strength is all that matters.

And the dribbling. You said it yourself. YOU HAVE TO USE TRICKS and that's the stupid part about fifa. WHY WOULD YOU USE TRICKS? In real life, there are other types of dribbling manouvers to do, but are lacking in fifa. And the goal variation beats pes?

I don't think so. I have ALMOST never scored the same goal twice in 1 ML SEASON in pes 11. In fifa I can score the same goal 3 times in 1 match. Start running from the wing with a fast and strong player, double pass, go from the side of the keeper, pass the ball to the attacker and goal. That's the typical goal in fifa.

Currently, there are only a few skills in PES making the game a run, pass and shoot game. Players in PES cannot even juggle a ball ....but yet still some think it is more "realistic" than Fifa. Do you recognize the dept of skill, technique and variation of animations in Fifa? I don't think so

There are more than just a few tricks in pes, but I agree, they aren't well executed. However, pes has other important areas where fifa fails. And that's OUTHINKING A DEFENDER by fooling a direction or by changing speed in a sudden. Messi style can be done in pes. A battle of strength when dribbling can be done, flair dirbbling like CR9 can be done too. Technique and agility matter in pes unlike in fifa.

Animations are crap in pes. I said it a million time that it's just a shame that a ps3 game has those animations.

BTW, both games are scripted but fifa 11 is on another level.
If I reset a game in pes, I never get the same result, because pes scripts at the begining of the match. However after 3 season in career on fifa, it SCRIPTS THE WHOLE SEAOSON, INCLUDING THE WEATHER FOR EVERY MATCH. I tried it and the same things happened.

In the end, both are scripted and THIS NEEDS SERIOUS SORTING.

 

[oggmeista]

Did you say something about "....blows Fifa out of the stadium.."?

Really!:shocking:

Well take a look here buddy......and keep talking your sheeitt. :w00t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x93ib9RQY-M&NR=1

Lets Fifa Buddy.............

Just eye candy so??:tongue:

Buddy I haven't just jumped on a bandwagon here I been watching fifa game for years & years its the fudementals that at all wrong licenses fancy gfx and now even greater managerial element wont save the game "in my eyes"

Where is the art of football in the game?

If you want mangement game you want PEs married uo to football manager now that would me a match made in heaven:dancer:

As far as im concerned im only giving fifa 2 pluses over pes Its licenses and its commentary other tyhan that cant really think of anything
Just remember how much hype there about fifa 11 .. so I got it 2nd hanf yuck!! what a terrible game
It was off my hdd within a week :lol::lol:

 

[oggmeista]

@OCKRASS
I never said pes was flawless. It's actually quite flawed, but not fundamentally flawed like fifa is. Pes only has bad execution but at it's core, it's quite good. Fifa is the other way round. It executes everything nicely and looks finished, but at it's core, it's just gloss over cracks.


Every team can score the same goals (which there isn't many different goals to begin with) and apart from speed and strength, the players all feel the same. A slight difference in passing, but barely noticebale.




Apart from speed and strength, the players are all the same. And technique does not exist in fifa. All it does it the tricks, tricks and tricks. You cannot do the messi style in fifa. Fifa's moves are all flair that doesn't make it right. It's imbalanced. The personality is slightly better, but again, only in evident areas like speed and strength and VERY SLIGHTLY in passing.



Correction. Strength and speed and overrated especially strength in fifa and are the only attributes that really matter in the game. Technique does not exist because of the superhuman pressure and the fact that every time you beat a defender, you will enter a battle of strength at some point and players like messi will not prevail. Where is the body balance in fifa? Nowhere because strength is all that matters.

And the dribbling. You said it yourself. YOU HAVE TO USE TRICKS and that's the stupid part about fifa. WHY WOULD YOU USE TRICKS? In real life, there are other types of dribbling manouvers to do, but are lacking in fifa. And the goal variation beats pes?

I don't think so. I have ALMOST never scored the same goal twice in 1 ML SEASON in pes 11. In fifa I can score the same goal 3 times in 1 match. Start running from the wing with a fast and strong player, double pass, go from the side of the keeper, pass the ball to the attacker and goal. That's the typical goal in fifa.



There are more than just a few tricks in pes, but I agree, they aren't well executed. However, pes has other important areas where fifa fails. And that's OUTHINKING A DEFENDER by fooling a direction or by changing speed in a sudden. Messi style can be done in pes. A battle of strength when dribbling can be done, flair dirbbling like CR9 can be done too. Technique and agility matter in pes unlike in fifa.

Animations are crap in pes. I said it a million time that it's just a shame that a ps3 game has those animations.

BTW, both games are scripted but fifa 11 is on another level.
If I reset a game in pes, I never get the same result, because pes scripts at the begining of the match. However after 3 season in career on fifa, it SCRIPTS THE WHOLE SEAOSON, INCLUDING THE WEATHER FOR EVERY MATCH. I tried it and the same things happened.

In the end, both are scripted and THIS NEEDS SERIOUS SORTING.

the discussion wars start once more :lol2:


:willis: what u talking about

:lol::lol::lol:


Havent read it all but I think you got them told

:chick::chick::chick::hamster::hamster::hamster::chick::chick:


:bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo: WELL SAID

 

[Sabatasso]

fifa 09 kills pes 2009.
However after fifa 09 the gameplay has always been the same and the good thing about pes is that the gameplay actually improves but not on ps2

You're entitled to your opinion. But the last Fifa I actually liked was Fifa 2000. And that was mainly because it was the only footy game I had at the time.

 

[Sabatasso]

I respect the fact that you have gone back to PES but please do not let your lack of skill blur your understanding of what Fifa has evolved into....a great solid game.

No offense, but you're blinded by the graphics. A bunch of screenshots does not say anything about the game to be honest. And FYI, I have scored all possible goals in FIFA11, all three of them. Long shot in the angle, heading and set piece.

Fifa is the kind of game that really gives you the feeling of Deja-Vu. It doesn't look half bad, but once you've seen it a few times, it gets really evident that the same old railroad tracks are still there, just more of them than before.

If you like FIFA, fine, good for you. But Fifa suffer from more or less the same errors that PES do, in addition to the railroad tracks. At the moment there are no good footy games on the market, so let's just stop pretending and pray for a good game next.

EDIT: What I really mean to say is good for you if you like Fifa, but most of us has also played it, so you don't have to explain to us how "good" it is.

 

[abu97]

You might pray for a game with good gameplay, but i'm praying for a football game with good game modes and i already know pes has 'football life' however i got a small feeling it's not gonna addict me or it's some renamed version of master league where you can actually change teams or it's just some crapper version BAL

 

[Sabatasso]

You might pray for a game with good gameplay, but i'm praying for a football game with good game modes and i already know pes has 'football life' however i got a small feeling it's not gonna addict me or it's some renamed version of master league where you can actually change teams or it's just some crapper version BAL

I wouldn't care if the game modes gave me a blowjob if the gameplay sucked to be honest...