"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[muzza798]

Muzza you have to play manual for weeks before you really get into it. It's so good when you do though. I bury most one on ones, and score some screamers too. It's the passing where the joy lies though, picking out fancy throughballs and getting the accuracy bang on in a one-touch passing move from back to front, quality. It's hard but very rewarding.

I don't really play online now to be honest. Those who say that the online modes extend the lifespan of the game are the opposite to me. Started out playing a lot of assisted games online, then a few manual, but now i find i have by far the most fun just playing the CPU on all manual on world class. Ready to move to legendary soon with it though i think.

I know what you mean about manual and how it will open up windows for gameplay but i think my boredom of Fifa is an underlying issue that im getting bored of games and 360 in general. Like i said i just need a blockbust game like Operation Flashpoint 2 or somin to keep me playing cos im getting bored of asthetically pleasing fifa, 'had for 9 months' bad company and 'got bored after two days' PGR4.

 

[Amateur]

I find myself playing PES for 2 hours, then ignoring it completely for one or two weeks... Then I start playing it again for a day, then again ignore it for a couple of weeks.

The more I do this, the more I notice that PES09 lacks an edge.. it's just not as interesting nor involving, nor challenging, nor as entertaining as Football should be.

And whenever I play a game of PES6 I realize that Konami really seems out of ideas. Maybe the programmers don't understand Football like they should, because PES09 is very boring.

It's only March and the game already feels Two Years Old.

I feel very disappointed with Football "Simulations" in general. I feel that both FIFA09 and PES09 are out of date.

They keep adding this "BAL" modes and "10 vs 10" -and- the fucking Gameplay remains pretty much the same out of date concept.

The foundations remain the same. I'm disappointed with the reluctance both EA and Konami are showing with their sports titles, all profit but no real progress. It remains a kid's game to this day, it needs more substance, end of story.

 

[muzza798]

New modes arent the answer. New innovitive gameplay holds the key to opening new doors.

 

[Amateur]

New modes arent the answer. New innovitive gameplay holds the key to opening new doors.

Precisely..

The movements can improve, graphics can improve, you can have all the licenses and modes in the world, you could even have the World Cup and Champions League implemented -BUT- if the Foundations remain the same, the Gameplay will pretty much remain the same at its core.

STATS are the Foundations of PES, and they are out of date. Innovative 4 or 5 years ago, but out of date Today.

Both EA Sports and Konami are avoiding that FACT... and adding countless of "new modes" seems like the perfect strategy for covering that fact. A good way of making profit with minimum effort, on a yearly basis.

Konami gives the impression of an old fashioned company getting to grips with "Next Gen" demands. I know for a FACT that PES won't be Evolving any time soon.

After playing PES5 and PES6 in the PS2.. no other Football Sim has come close to that "magic".

But I have hopes with EA, whom have all the ca$h and resources in the world.. Hopefully EA Sports comes up with some "magic" of their own. That would be a welcomed surprise for me.

 

[jenicek68]

Precisely..

The movements can improve, graphics can improve, you can have all the licenses and modes in the world, you could even have the World Cup and Champions League implemented -BUT- if the Foundations remain the same, the Gameplay will pretty much remain the same at its core.

STATS are the Foundations of PES, and they are out of date. Innovative 4 or 5 years ago, but out of date Today.

Both EA Sports and Konami are avoiding that FACT... and adding countless of "new modes" seems like the perfect strategy for covering that fact. A good way of making profit with minimum effort, on a yearly basis.

Konami gives the impression of an old fashioned company getting to grips with "Next Gen" demands. I know for a FACT that PES won't be Evolving any time soon.

After playing PES5 and PES6 in the PS2.. no other Football Sim has come close to that "magic".

But I have hopes with EA, whom have all the ca$h and resources in the world.. Hopefully EA Sports comes up with some "magic" of their own. That would be a welcomed surprise for me.

I would not be so negative about FIFA 09, stats in there almost respond to your ideas. Give it a try.. But i think that you set before, that you dont have console (PS3 or X360).. Don´t forget that EA sports keep comning with new gameplay updates.. Fifa 09 feels different when it came out and now..

 

[trigglebeef]

Fifa 09 is true next gen. And it's got nothing o do with the modes on offer because all i really do is play one player versus the comp, and i haven;t even done Manager Mode yet after around 5 months of playing it. I play it purely for the gameplay and nothing else, that's all i care about in a football game (why i played Pro Evo exclusively for so long). The better you get, the more avenues open up as far as playing styles go.

I don't want to bore everyone with stories of manual controls, i know i go on about them alot, but there's something i haven't discussed yet.

On assisted you can play the same way against any team pretty much, because passing is so accurate you can ping pong it around no matter how quickly the opposition closes you down.

When you play all manual it deepens your perception of the differences in playing style of your opposition. When they stand off you can still play your passing game and knock it around on the floor, but when they close down quickly you find yourself having to go for long balls up to your target man and a generally more direct approach to getting the ball in their box. Just like real life.

And there's nothing more intense than when the computer is either hanging on for a win or a draw at the end of a game. They start sitting back and allow you to keep them camped in their own half (allthough they can still be dangerous on the break if they have pace). When this happens on manual you find yourself having to fully observe the positions of your players in an around the box, and banging in high diagonal balls looking for the unmarked man, or looking for a flick on. You have to do basically the same thing as what teams have to do in real life to break the opposition down, but at the same time if you're on form with your passing you can knock it around on the edge of the area and look for that eye of the needle pass to create a chance.

Manual is magical. If i rated the game out of 100 on manual i'd give it 95. If i rated it on assisted i'd give it 75.

 

[jenicek68]

Fifa 09 is true next gen. And it's got nothing o do with the modes on offer because all i really do is play one player versus the comp, and i haven;t even done Manager Mode yet after around 5 months of playing it. I play it purely for the gameplay and nothing else, that's all i care about in a football game (why i played Pro Evo exclusively for so long). The better you get, the more avenues open up as far as playing styles go.

I don't want to bore everyone with stories of manual controls, i know i go on about them alot, but there's something i haven't discussed yet.

On assisted you can play the same way against any team pretty much, because passing is so accurate you can ping pong it around no matter how quickly the opposition closes you down.

When you play all manual it deepens your perception of the differences in playing style of your opposition. When they stand off you can still play your passing game and knock it around on the floor, but when they close down quickly you find yourself having to go for long balls up to your target man and a generally more direct approach to getting the ball in their box. Just like real life.

And there's nothing more intense than when the computer is either hanging on for a win or a draw at the end of a game. They start sitting back and allow you to keep them camped in their own half (allthough they can still be dangerous on the break if they have pace). When this happens on manual you find yourself having to fully observe the positions of your players in an around the box, and banging in high diagonal balls looking for the unmarked man, or looking for a flick on. You have to do basically the same thing as what teams have to do in real life to break the opposition down, but at the same time if you're on form with your passing you can knock it around on the edge of the area and look for that eye of the needle pass to create a chance.

Manual is magical. If i rated the game out of 100 on manual i'd give it 95. If i rated it on assisted i'd give it 75.

Well, I am playing on manual just high balls.. Couse i just discovered that it is very useless if it is automatic or semi.. And true is, that it feels very special, it feels so special that if I would like to make perfect long high ball, than i have to look on remote and lose the view of the ground for a bit, same when i try to push the ball little bit forward.. Which is like in real footy.. Still i can feel that players with better acuarry and faster balls are much more danger than the others in this aspect, which is amazing.. I would like to ask you, experienced one.. Can you feel difference in shooting and passing with different players, in the way of how their stats affecting quality of passing and shooting?

 

[trigglebeef]

In passing you can feel the difference in power. By this i mean you can control the weight of pass more precisely with a skilled passer. When shooting you can feel the difference in power again. Somebody like Van Persie hits it hard and low while Walcott struggles to keep it down and doesn't hit it too hard.

When it comes to actual accuracy, it's really hard to know whether the stats play any part on manual. Maybe they do a little bit, maybe they don't.

This may be already written into the game, but they could make it so if you're looking for an eye of the needle pass with a very skilled passer, it will auto correct your aim to achieve the pass as long as you get the direction close enough to what is needed. This room for error could be larger, the more passing ability the player has.

 

[jenicek68]

In passing you can feel the difference in power. By this i mean you can control the weight of pass more precisely with a skilled passer. When shooting you can feel the difference in power again. Somebody like Van Persie hits it hard and low while Walcott struggles to keep it down and doesn't hit it too hard.

When it comes to actual accuracy, it's really hard to know whether the stats play any part on manual. Maybe they do a little bit, maybe they don't.

This may be already written into the game, but they could make it so if you're looking for an eye of the needle pass with a very skilled passer, it will auto correct your aim to achieve the pass as long as you get the direction close enough to what is needed. This room for error could be larger, the more passing ability the player has.

Isn't that work this way when is almost everything on semi?

 

[trigglebeef]

Isn't that work this way when is almost everything on semi?

No. Semi assists the power of your passing but not the aim. That's what it says anyway. I've never used semi and don't see the point. It's all manual for everything for me. I used to play with just manual crossing and long balls, assisted everything else, but got fed up with how limiting it is and how games online turned into "ping pong thrashes." Manual encourages a more measured approach and requires good vision and a good footballing brain.

 

[streller]

you're wrong friend!

I won't lick seabass's arse... He doesn't deserve it... The point is.. For the last ten or so years konami has blown away its rivals with a more realistic approach to what can be a hard, frustrating game that is our o so beloved football. Every new format that came out from evo 1 on p1 to now 2009 has been a one step back, two step forward improvement as the new console emerged.

In fact they so nearly perfected it now on p2, that all p2 owners were denied the legend vertical front view... It may have swayed the p3 game on fun-factor if they had. Bad move konami!! You made me very suspicious. What do I find? P3 legend mode AI is woeful.. The physics on this game are immense, but the decision making of team-mates drives you nuts... Also, silly diagonal zig-zagging is effective, it shouldn't be, it makes a mockery etc...

Nevertheless... I played fifa... I gave it time.. Too easy, way too easy. Whats the point. Fifa gives you wings, pro nightmares, but when the shackles come off hopefully in 2010 and I've kidnapped seabass... We'll get the best footie game, I hope. Many thanks, Aslan

 

[trigglebeef]

I won't lick seabass's arse... He doesn't deserve it... The point is.. For the last ten or so years konami has blown away its rivals with a more realistic approach to what can be a hard, frustrating game that is our o so beloved football. Every new format that came out from evo 1 on p1 to now 2009 has been a one step back, two step forward improvement as the new console emerged.

In fact they so nearly perfected it now on p2, that all p2 owners were denied the legend vertical front view... It may have swayed the p3 game on fun-factor if they had. Bad move konami!! You made me very suspicious. What do I find? P3 legend mode AI is woeful.. The physics on this game are immense, but the decision making of team-mates drives you nuts... Also, silly diagonal zig-zagging is effective, it shouldn't be, it makes a mockery etc...

Nevertheless... I played fifa... I gave it time.. Too easy, way too easy. Whats the point. Fifa gives you wings, pro nightmares, but when the shackles come off hopefully in 2010 and I've kidnapped seabass... We'll get the best footie game, I hope. Many thanks, Aslan

You're a lion, what do you know. I imagine with paws you have to set both game son easy mode to ahve a chance so judging the differences in dificulty is tough. But Fifa on legendary, with manual controls, is far harder than Pro Evo has ever been. I only go back to Pro Evo every couple of months for a qucik game, and without fail bash the computer on top player. Meanwhile i struggle like hell on Fifa and go on 4-5 game streaks without a win sometimes (manual on world class).

 

[muzza798]

My m8 just got that new Ultimate Team thing and it looks good. You start with a team of nobodies and play games to buy packs to train and build your team. A complete different way forward that is really 'out there'. Looks great though everytime he's tried to play it its loaded and froze. He is very pissed off.

 

[streller]

Why the yellow?

I feel stifled now.. I might get sent off after my next message!
I scored 3 in 3... First time I played it. He maxes out the levels... It feels like they're running on ice...
Pro good, seabass he a bad man, a baaaad man.
More money konami! More playtesting! The pro players are virtual gibbons and need to become virtual men..
The fifa characters are machines... Its not right at all..
Its pro
but pro still needs an shake up. I'm shaking it up

 

[Phatmann]

You got a yellow because you reported your own post. You have only yourself to blame.

 

[jenicek68]

No. Semi assists the power of your passing but not the aim. That's what it says anyway. I've never used semi and don't see the point. It's all manual for everything for me. I used to play with just manual crossing and long balls, assisted everything else, but got fed up with how limiting it is and how games online turned into "ping pong thrashes." Manual encourages a more measured approach and requires good vision and a good footballing brain.

I got everything on manual and start geting used to it.. Though shooting seems to not work well on it.. What happend is that it is shooting in the middle of the goal or way out.. Nothing in between. I can cross balls well and pass.. But shooting is broken or something.. I put shooting on semi and it's better.. So dont know if my game is broken or something..

 

[muzza798]

I think there will be problem this year for Pes. I feel that even if Pes 2009 looks great and new the fact Fifa gets released a month or so befor means that all the Fifa converts and casual gamers will be playing what will be an amazing game in Fifa 2010 and will probably not buy Pes 2009 as most gamers will feel they only need 1 football title. Seeing as Fifa was amazing last year most will pick up 2010 first, discover its brilliant and then leave Pes and possibly pick it up down the line.

 

[Amateur]

The more I play PES09 the more I get used to the robotic-movements, but the less I like the Passing. The passes are just excessively assisted by the COM. At times an easy pass, goes ridiculously wrong, not because I gave the wrong directions, but because the COM decided it should.

This for me is unforgivable, because I never know what type of pass to expect, sometimes the pass goes perfectly, but not in the direction I wanted it to go. And in other occasions, the pass goes horribly wrong, because again the COM just felt like it.

And I cannot even decide or measure the Pace on the Pass.

It's fun for about 4 or 6 games.. after that I just can't take it anymore, I just find it boring that we have to play to the Limitations of 8-directional PASSING.

If 8-directional movement is annoying.. 8-directional Passing is even more annoying.

 

[dan80]

yeh and has anyone had the pass where they just pass in to space and no player is there and then the other team will just run and score