I have had my last straw with PES '16!

[Yanez]

I bought the game and frankly regret it. Sooo many problems that in the best case, should have been fixed by now.

All goals are the same, for the first time in PES. Just run straight, 1-2 pass and goal.

Defenders are retarded and goalies are horrible, my dog catches more.

 

[SportGameFan]

I bought the game and frankly regret it. Sooo many problems that in the best case, should have been fixed by now.

All goals are the same, for the first time in PES. Just run straight, 1-2 pass and goal.

Defenders are retarded and goalies are horrible, my dog catches more.

I agree- I don't understand those who slavishly defend this deeply flawed game! Some call it 'loyalty'- hmmm... it's a pity that konami doesn't know the meaning of the word! All they care about is robbing people's money via 'MyClub.'

 

[pEst410]

Honestly, I don't understand a lot of this criticism, I don't experience most of these problems to a terrible degree...

Goalkeepers are ok, I can't tell a difference from last year, but I've read it's a myclub or online problem, is that the case? I only play offline ML and League... I do score too many goals in Top Player (same as last year), but not on Superstar, and I've now switched to manual shooting in Top Player and I'm scoring a normal amount, and GK's have made some spectacular saves...

Player reaction time to shot/gauges... Not a problem I've noticed in the slightest, apart from one or two odd moments where maybe scripting was trying to stop me from scoring and I pressed shoot and the player didn't and lost the ball, but seriously, must have been a handful of times max in more than 2 seasons. Are you on PC by any chance? My only problem with slowness is that there doesn't seem to be a way to lose the ball or miss taking the ball from someone without falling or getting all wobbly for a second... That's annoying.

Ball bounces off you... no idea what you're on about there.

All goals are the same... not for me, I score all kinds!

The refs people complain about it's not actually the refs that are the problem. There's too many slide tackles from the AI but they actually touch the ball. Konami took the rule that if the ball gets touched it's not a foul, period. It's a flawed rule but would be acceptable if the AI in strong teams didn't slide tackle all the time. Still, apart from very few very annoying games, not a big problem, it goes both ways: if you learn to slide tackle with the right timing and from the right angles you can do exactly the same to the AI. Maybe it's a bigger problem online if players abuse this exploit?

So as I said, I don't know if these are mostly online problems, they don't affect me much. I'm more annoyed by the scripting which wasn't noticeable last year like this. I find the game is balanced for me (scores and all) if I play in Superstar 8 mins -1 speed, but then there's a few games a year that are impossible to win due to obvious scripting. Top Player feels fairer, so I've now gone down to Top Player, 10 mins -1 speed but manual shooting so I don't score so much and the game is a lot of fun again. Very satisfying to score, and the scripting is still there but at least now I have more of a chance against it.

I had said here before I'd look into FIFA and I did, watched videos, read forums, tried the demo... Became convinced it's an even worse option. What I wish I had in PES is their player ratings, much better. Have had to tweak a few (Benfica's Jonas at 74 OVR, ridiculous, brought him up to 81 and being conservative there!).

 

[who]

@ pEst410

Have to agree with you on many things. Goalkeepers wasnt a big problem for me either. I never ever play online, since Im only interested in ML. So, in overall, these are typical PES goalkeepers, nothing too tragic or dramatic as one can read in twitter comments, but the again, I dont play online. Maybe its different there.

I am happy with the overall feel of the game, I am happy with player models, there are lots of aspects that need to be improved, without any doubts and any questions, there`s lots and lots of work to be done, but I believe its still better than FIFA. For some reason I think its more stable than FIFA. In FIFA you have tons of teams, tons of players and while they worked on player models and they actually look much better now, but there is still that feeling of everyone being kind of like the same. Its probably EA graphics, that still make those players look kind of pale, dead and weird. Plus annual bugs/glitches, problems with Career mode crashing/freezing and so on. Plus tons of annual videos about scripting. And then EA said they worked on this game for two years, changing its core?? And that FIFA 17 will be more of an improvement of FIFA 16, but no big changes. :mellow: FIFA might look better than in the last years, but for me, they still havent achieved what PES has in terms of player looks and gameplay that is just fun to play. Oh and besides, FIFA doesnt allow to edit player faces, which for me is a really big minus.

BUT, what makes this years PES furstrating and disappointing, at least for me:

NUMBER 1 problem: AI defending and huge huge spaces that they leave you. Its super easy to leave any defender behind you and its only a matter of time until every game might end with ice-hockey results. They just opened the game too much. And the second biggest issue is datapacks and problem solving. They`ve deleted all the faces that people were creating. I believe this was the reason why some facemakers just quit and its a huge dagger, because for me there are two phases. 1. New PES comes out, new season begins. 2. Going to forums and finding face formulas, importing kits. Almost half of the work for game being realistic goes to PES community from all over the globe, who spend theyr free time to make things. And this year its a horror story. There is no chance you can even make Bundesliga for yourself, because with all these datapacks and all the efforts from Konami to fix things, its just impossible to do some decent work, since most of the stuff will get defaulted and we will be the last to know. And there is no communication about possible fixes or a patch for this game and there will be none, given the past. Free Euro 16 DLC wont change a thing for me, since its not about licensing, new tournaments, its about gameplay at first.

Thats why I already sold my PES 16 copy and will be skipping this year without any football game. Maybe Football manager, because thats whats left. If Konami did realease any patch with fixed AI defence, I might reconsider, but at the given moment - no chance. Already wondering what PES 17 will have to offer.

 

[pEst410]

I agree with what you said about Konami's behaviour, but to me personally the lack of Bundesliga is not a big problem (as long as I have a few teams for CL or Europa I'm happy, wouldn't meet others anyway) and faces are not a big deal (but I understand how horribly frustrating it must have been to people who've spent hours editing them in their terrible interface). I do care about transfers and am really annoyed with that, but to be honest the teams I know and care about to be correct (which really, are Benfica, Porto, and Sporting) are so. The rest I don't even know if a certain player is in the wrong place, and if I do I'll meet that team once in a blue moon I've done a couple of ML season's with different teams and now while I wait for them to fix their mess (rather optimistically because they'll certainly screw something up again) I'm just doing a League season...

 

[jimminy]

[MENTION=180300]pEst410[/MENTION]

All goals the same is referring to the CPU goals. They are predominantly low shots into the far corner. This has been reported by many many people. Possible you may not have noticed as with many things, things don't come to your attention until someone has pointed them out.

Goalies are a problem OFFLINE, I've spoken to many people who agree on this. They are definitely worse on 16 than 15. Particularly if you are playing with lower quality GKs. Their starting position is unrealistic a lot of the time and their reactions can also be too slow. I've scored many goals where I've thought great goal, then when I've seen a replay from a different angle the goalie has not responded realistically and it devalues the satisfaction of the goal. A big problem for me. I can only assume this is down to the change/increased goalie attributes that have been introduced for 16. Seems like they've not been tested or balanced properly. FYI I used to be a semi pro GK so have a better idea than most on goalkeeping.

The AI defending is not good enough and I'm surprised more people haven't noticed that the AI when attacking down the wing cuts inside 90% of the time regardless what player it is. Makes it so easy to defend against. Was the same in 15 all they have improved is AI crosses the ball more after cutting inside but still the original problem remains.

Some of 16 gameplay is really good but unfortunately for me it seems rushed and problems, as above, make me worry about the quality control/judgement of those making the game. The lack of attention to stats of players in ML is not good enough (again smacks of lack of attention to detail by Konami) and I've noticed that the roster update players in ML only have contracts till 2016. Amateurish that Benteke/Clyne etc in ML have apparently only signed 1 year deals at Liverpool.

The massive advantage FIFA has over PES is sliders. If you're happy with GKs great but many aren't, sliders would allow us to tailor the game to how we like. I'm not going and changing the player stats as some have recommended as a fix.

Overall I'd give PES 2016 a 7.5/10 some of the gameplay is great but too many fundamental flaws. For me anyone who describes this as the best footy game ever is either paid off by Konami, has little understanding of football, deluded or is called Adam Bhatti.

I was gonna sell the game but will hold on now the Euro DLC is free. In the faint hope they fix some of the issues. But I will definitely not be buying PES 2017, in part because of Bhatti's misleading comments and his obnoxious attitude on Twitter.

 

[pEst410]

Never noticed that about AI goals being the same... Actually my feeling is that most goals I take are from the ball bouncing off the post or the keeper saving it forward and then the striker scoring (usually when scripting is happening)... Most goals I take are from chaotic situations in the penalty area, so much so that when I see the report, the goals I've taken are in the 'other' category (bounces and so), and here and there a through ball...

GKs, ok, also not something I've noticed, maybe because I haven't played that much with a weak goalkeeper... I mean they move a bit slow towards the ball but it's been like that for the last couple of years, that's my feeling...

Regarding the AI cutting down the wing, some teams attack that way, others (without wingers and only one striker, for example), attack more through the centre... So you say almost all players that get to the wing then do the same, cut inside? Not a big deal, what do you want them to do, you want them to cross more instead? Otherwise I don't get it... I don't find it that easy to defend against it (especially in Superstar), in fact I am often split between charging the guy or staying in the goal area and ordering a team mate to pressure him...

Agree with the rest of what you said...

Btw regarding player stats, the example I gave, Jonas, shows exactly what you're saying... He was 82 OVR two years ago and was let go by his club and Benfica took him as a free agent after the market closed. Konami failed to include him at least in the first 2 data packs, and downgraded him to 78 even though he was voted the best player of the Portuguese league and runner-up for top scorer by 1 goal. They just automatically deducted 4 points based on his age. This year what do they do? Continue to automatically assume he's getting worse due to age and deduct another 4 points to 74, no attention to his actual performance last year whatsoever, zero! Comparing with other strikers's scores I'd say he should be somewhere between 81 and 83. FIFA is so much better in this sense...

 

[Clint_W_25]

Again everyone, thanks for your input.

Overall, whatever level of difficulty we play, most of us enjoy or try our best to enjoy this game; as P E S fans.

But as someone above stated, how can Konami's development team for 6 long years, not address certain issues? I.E.: like the Referees or lack of Fouls in this game. It is just poor and inexcusable!

To show you how bad it is, after some 300 odd games (maybe more) of P E S 2016, I have yet to win one Penalty Kick against the A.I.

I'm at the point now, I had to bump the difficulty down to Top Player and use small teams / develop young players etc. Because using big / good teams are way too easy and there's no sense of achievement (when scoring goals or winning).

One other thing that highly disappoints me is, how on earth is every single match in Master League, at Night? *Scratches head*

This is the most beautiful P E S game of all time (graphically) in both player models, crowd and the pitches (especially at day / overcast weather are gorgeous) and we cannot get any day games to enjoy these beautiful graphics?

Some of the night pitches IMO, I'm not sure, the lighting etc is a little off and not pleasing on the eye to me. A few look gorgeous yes, but not all the pitches at night are great.

Overall, Konami really f***** up this year's version of P E S after coming off what was such a successful and promising previous game in 2015.

 

[pEst410]

The night thing is another problem I don't experience: I have games at night and day in ML. Maybe it's a problem for certain leagues only?

 

[Clint_W_25]

The night thing is another problem I don't experience: I have games at night and day in ML. Maybe it's a problem for certain leagues only?

I've only played Serie A and just starting B P L and it's all night matches. Only one or two I'll get day. It's annoying AF!:angry:



Any who... think I'm done with this game because it doesn't make any sense.

Just started a new ML with Southampton, Superstar difficulty; playing in my first game against Bournemouth and my gosh, I cannot move without being shoved off the ball!If I beat a Defender and begin to sprint, he slide tackles me from behind every time and of course no foul.

When defending with how many odd defenders behind the ball, I tackle, tackle, tackle, win the ball and the ball keeps deflecting back to them and they end up magically getting goal scoring opportunity constantly!

I'm like W T F is going on here? I'm playing against Bournemouth and I can't do jack s***!:huh:

This is the worst and most un-enjoyable experiences I've ever had with a P E S game.

 

[pEst410]

That's the 1st match ML scripting curse, trust me, it's always the worst of the whole season, you'll never get anything like that moving on. It's because of your low team spirit (and maybe some additional handicap so you feel you have to buy new players or something). Team spirit is too overpowered in this game. Playing League instead of ML feels so much more natural because there's no team spirit.

 

[jimminy]

Regarding the AI cutting down the wing, some teams attack that way, others (without wingers and only one striker, for example), attack more through the centre... So you say almost all players that get to the wing then do the same, cut inside? Not a big deal, what do you want them to do, you want them to cross more instead? Otherwise I don't get it... I don't find it that easy to defend against it (especially in Superstar), in fact I am often split between charging the guy or staying in the goal area and ordering a team mate to pressure him...

I'll explain more clearly. You're right SOME teams attack that way but on PES almost every team and player attacks this way. I'm talking about specifically when the winger gets the ball in the final third on the wing, not the build up play. In real life the likes of Bale/Robben etc always like to cut in on their stronger foot. There are other players who like to drive to the byline and whip a cross in think possibly Antonio Valencia or definitely a John Barnes. This is what is lacking in PES.
On 15 players would always cut inside and look for a shot or a ground pass, the only difference I see on 16 is they now cut inside and sometimes cross to the middle.
Why this is a problem is 1. unrealistic, but it makes it easy to defend against because I almost know what the opponent is going to do before they have done it. I can position my defender to tackle the cutting in player and take the ball with ease. In real life any good attacker would exploit the space I've left for going too early.
If you ask any professional defender I'm sure they would agree it is much easier to face an attacker that doesn't have variation in their play. There are exceptions like Bale/Robben but generally the rule applies.
I'm just disappointed that this area of AI attack has not been improved on much since 15.
Also I play 4-2-3-1 with a narrow defence so really I have 4 players all in the middle to close the space. In reality most teams would utilise the full backs or try to stretch the play to create the space not constantly cut inside into trouble.
Hopefully I've explained my opinion/issue more clearly for you.
I'm on PS3 Top Player (haven't tried superstar been put off the game since a few weeks after launch) so maybe it's specific to PS3 but on my system/settings it definitely is occurring.

 

[pEst410]

Thanks for explaining. I understand your frustration, but I think you will agree that only a tiny, tiny amount of players will feel bothered by this problem, don't you think? Not saying it shouldn't be fixed, just that in the order of priorities, in my opinion, with all the f**k-ups in this game, it ranks pretty low... IMO, most players won't notice this (I haven't) and most players don't know those details in the play styles of this player and that player... I'm not sure if I even know it regarding my own real life team's side midfielders! I'd say it varies depending on opponent but anyway... You get my point, and not putting you down at all!

I vary my tactics according to opponent so that may explain why I don't see much of a pattern... if playing against teams with LWF/RWF I play a wide defence and push them towards the centre. If the team has only LMF/RMF and 1 or 2 strikers I play a narrower defence and push them out... I play the same formation as you against stronger teams only, generally I play 4-4-2 with CMF + DMF in the centre (becomes DMF x 2 when defending) and a SS.

 

[jimminy]

[MENTION=180300]pEst410[/MENTION]

I agree it's not the most pressing issue. Just disappointing for me that it hasn't been remedied since 15. Most people might not notice but it makes me worry that the people making the game don't seem to have noticed it, surely they should have someone in the team who has a high understanding of footy? I wonder if more people will notice once they've had the game a lot longer.

I didn't expect a massive jump from 15 in overall game quality because of the shorter amount of time till release but I am concerned that PES is either dumbing down to a more arcade style to entice the casual FIFA gamer. Considering PES is moving more towards player faces/presentation as a big thing maybe adding some sort of Manager celebration scenes when goals are scored? Would love to see a virtual Klopp going mad!!

Cheers for the civil exchange anyway.

 

[Clint_W_25]

That's the 1st match ML scripting curse, trust me, it's always the worst of the whole season, you'll never get anything like that moving on. It's because of your low team spirit (and maybe some additional handicap so you feel you have to buy new players or something). Team spirit is too overpowered in this game. Playing League instead of ML feels so much more natural because there's no team spirit.

WOW thanks pal. I keep forgetting about the Team Spirit's impact.

Indeed I made a lot of moves with Southampton, bring in young talent. The team spirit going into my first match was 71 (-15).

With league play, (which has no team spirit) is it better? Is league play just strictly matches for that league?

Is there any European Football, CL, Europa league, Transfer Windows or player Development / Decline in league play?

 

[pEst410]

You get the full competition schedule (as Benfica, at the start I get the Portuguese league, the supercup, the cup and the CL), you get player tiredness and injuries if you choose so, but no transfers, no player development, no training programmes, no team spirit, no stats report. It feels more 'stable' in gameplay but of course the depth in ML is missing.

One thing that annoys me this year in ML is being constantly bothered outside the transfer window with transfer requests, glad I don't have that in League. And there's too many strong players as free agents at the moment which means I completely change my team right away, it gets much stronger and it doesn't feel like my team so much anymore. It's fun now in League to play with my real team's line ups...

 

[pEst410]

With team spirit it's important at the start not to change too much, introduce tactical changes slowly at easier matches and privilege team spirit over strong players which will bring it down (also introduce them in easier matches where you can get away with low team spirit). But to be honest, I think no matter what you do for the first ML match, the game will always tear you a new one.

 

[Clint_W_25]

With team spirit it's important at the start not to change too much, introduce tactical changes slowly at easier matches and privilege team spirit over strong players which will bring it down (also introduce them in easier matches where you can get away with low team spirit). But to be honest, I think no matter what you do for the first ML match, the game will always tear you a new one.

Thank you pal.

Again everyone, thanks for your feedback and input.

But my time with P E S 2016, has ran it's course and is up! I repeatedly try my endeavor best to, but I enjoy nothing with or about this game (anymore).

It makes zero sense to keep complaining with constant posts or even keep being frustrated, by IMO, what is such a massive disappointment in this year's release of P E S.

I'm gonna head to BestBuy or Gamestop later and just get rid of it.

 

[pEst410]

Well, that's a shame. I recognise it takes more work than it should to find a balance of enjoyment with this game, and as you get better you have to search again and so on... But I'm enjoying it at the moment and looking forward to a new ML after the next data pack, despite all the problems and probably the new problems the data pack will bring But at times I've felt like you, so I totally understand where you're coming from. I just feel I'm able to make this game work for me and there's some effort but not a big deal and it pays off just about...

Though of course, I've learned from Konami's mistakes: not buying this game new on day one ever again, will go back to buying used only and after rosters are correct, as I used to before...

 

[Clint_W_25]

Well, that's a shame. I recognise it takes more work than it should to find a balance of enjoyment with this game, and as you get better you have to search again and so on... But I'm enjoying it at the moment and looking forward to a new ML after the next data pack, despite all the problems and probably the new problems the data pack will bring But at times I've felt like you, so I totally understand where you're coming from. I just feel I'm able to make this game work for me and there's some effort but not a big deal and it pays off just about...

Though of course, I've learned from Konami's mistakes: not buying this game new on day one ever again, will go back to buying used only and after rosters are correct, as I used to before...

Haven't sold it as yet. Surprisingly!

When is the new data pack or update? Do you know?