I'm just not enjoying PES 2016 whatsoever!

[Clint_W_25]

I've been buying PES games since 2004 except for 2011-14.

I bought PES '15 on PS 4 and loved it (despite few flaws) and I still do, to the point I'm going to go back to it.

i'm not trying to add to all the negativity on this forum or bash the game. I've had PES '16 for over a month and up to now, I cannot like it. The graphics IMO are the best Konami has ever delivered, especially the pitches.

However I am highly disappointed that all these years, lack of fouls or no fouls, continue to plague this game. Leaving you to wonder if they even test the game?

My biggest disappointment, is that Konami decided to change the mechanics / game engine from PES '15. I wish he had kept last year's engine and improved on it.

The Ball physics are the worst ever in the series. Konami always delivered great ball physics / heavy ball but this year, it's like FIFA, the ball feels like a damn balloon:angry:

A.I. is too overpowered, especially with the lobbed through ball and their controlling along with poor A.I. defense, lack of collision or physical play, as well as poor GK's.

I could go on and on, but bottom line is, I think I'm going to go back to PES '15 and possibly trade / sell my PES '16.

 

[fatehasfans]

...I bought PES '15 on PS 4 and loved it (despite few flaws) and I still do, to the point I'm going to go back to it.

The Ball physics are the worst ever in the series. Konami always delivered great ball physics / heavy ball but this year, it's like FIFA, the ball feels like a damn balloon:angry:

A.I. is too overpowered, especially with the lobbed through ball and their controlling along with poor A.I. defense, lack of collision or physical play..

...I could go on and on...

I know what you mean. I think the ball physics are dreadful also, ball has no weight to it, I think the player movement is too skittish. I won't go into the other problems but overall I think it just doesn't play/flow as well as some of it's predecessors which is a real left down considering how good it looks.

I do think there are some nice touches that make it harder to go back to the previous games - which has left me pretty much without a football game. But for all the nice touches it doesn't compel me to keep playing for it all just feels a little empty and this is all before the scripting kicks in.

Anyway, I have no clue what the future holds for this game considering how inconsistent each year has been, on top of that Konami seem to be doing their best to disappoint and upset their loyal customer base, which I must admit is a pretty hard thing to do.

 

[PES94]

I've been buying PES games since 2004 except for 2011-14.

I bought PES '15 on PS 4 and loved it (despite few flaws) and I still do, to the point I'm going to go back to it.

i'm not trying to add to all the negativity on this forum or bash the game. I've had PES '16 for over a month and up to now, I cannot like it. The graphics IMO are the best Konami has ever delivered, especially the pitches.

However I am highly disappointed that all these years, lack of fouls or no fouls, continue to plague this game. Leaving you to wonder if they even test the game?

My biggest disappointment, is that Konami decided to change the mechanics / game engine from PES '15. I wish he had kept last year's engine and improved on it.

The Ball physics are the worst ever in the series. Konami always delivered great ball physics / heavy ball but this year, it's like FIFA, the ball feels like a damn balloon:angry:

A.I. is too overpowered, especially with the lobbed through ball and their controlling along with poor A.I. defense, lack of collision or physical play, as well as poor GK's.

I could go on and on, but bottom line is, I think I'm going to go back to PES '15 and possibly trade / sell my PES '16.

I think you're confused, this year version is better than last year. Also they are using the same engine. There is a lot of great collisions, you just don't play that well, or probably not playing at the hardest difficulty. A.I isn't overpowered, it's easy dude. I think it should be a lot smarter since they don't defend well. The ball physics is fine, I don't see the difference from this to last year, except the ball is faster.

 

[rebelinho]

I think you're confused, this year version is better than last year. Also they are using the same engine. There is a lot of great collisions, you just don't play that well, or probably not playing at the hardest difficulty. A.I isn't overpowered, it's easy dude. I think it should be a lot smarter since they don't defend well. The ball physics is fine, I don't see the difference from this to last year, except the ball is faster.

I agree. The ball physics are definitely better though, or at least the player's feet/grass interaction with it.

AI is too easy, and don't even start with the "use manual controls" argument. It does not make AI better, just makes you worse.

Collisions, and specially aerial battles, are incredible this year. Just for this alone I can't go back to any other PES.

 

[PES94]

I agree. The ball physics are definitely better though, or at least the player's feet/grass interaction with it.

AI is too easy, and don't even start with the "use manual controls" argument. It does not make AI better, just makes you worse.

Collisions, and specially aerial battles, are incredible this year. Just for this alone I can't go back to any other PES.

Yeah the AI is easy, I don't see how anyone can say it's overpowered. I think they should add more physical defending, and make the AI more aggressive.

The shooting system is what I have a problem with, the ball needs to be a lot slower when shooting and less accurate. I think the R2 + [] should be the default [] and the current [] should be double [] but with a slower ball speed. I think this will be more realistic, and much more fun/easier to use.

 

[SportGameFan]

I think PES is now catering to a different demographic- I've played football games since Kick Off 2, I loved PES 3 to 6. PES 5 if my favourite PES game, PES 2008 was when it dramatically changed for the worse.

I don't think Konami are interested in the player who wants a more simulation-like approach to the game. It's ironical that FIFA has now taken up that mantle with FIFA 16. Konami are now like how EA Sports were when they pumped out crap like FIFA 2004. PES is more like an arcade game to me these days.

Sure, I could win by not playing proper football, but that's no fun for me. I don't want a game that's a mixture of 'soccer' and Street Fighter II- with a generous helping of Benny Hill thrown in for good measure!

 

[jamestoni]

i only play my club and its absolutely fucked. Konami decide whos gonna win.

 

[matthewjohn85]

nah my club is not fucked it's really good the best in series so far you just need to get into it and embrace it, if im a better player than someone but he has better players and 99 TS i will lose but if i have the same squad as him with same TS i will win because i'm better.

i wouldn't expect to beat bayern with swindon town just because im better than him, no obviously he has better players who are quicker and technical it would be a close game but eventually he would create enough chances to win, same with my club if you have superstars at high level's with high TS you have easier control over your team and they have a yard on defenders because your squad is really good.

 

[jamestoni]

nah my club is not fucked it's really good the best in series so far you just need to get into it and embrace it, if im a better player than someone but he has better players and 99 TS i will lose but if i have the same squad as him with same TS i will win because i'm better.

i wouldn't expect to beat bayern with swindon town just because im better than him, no obviously he has better players who are quicker and technical it would be a close game but eventually he would create enough chances to win, same with my club if you have superstars at high level's with high TS you have easier control over your team and they have a yard on defenders because your squad is really good.

i cant have it because of heavy scripting, why do my players feel really slow, my defenders stop to let the attacker take the ball, the passing is brutal, players making mistakes and having really bad touches, just so my opponent cam pick up the lose balls. i know scripting works both ways but its been rally heavy on me lately, nearly every game, usually starts if i score a goal. And another thing, the amount of goals scored straight from kick off, after i have scored.

 

[matthewjohn85]

i cant have it because of heavy scripting, why do my players feel really slow, my defenders stop to let the attacker take the ball, the passing is brutal, players making mistakes and having really bad touches, just so my opponent cam pick up the lose balls. i know scripting works both ways but its been rally heavy on me lately, nearly every game, usually starts if i score a goal. And another thing, the amount of goals scored straight from kick off, after i have scored.

one noticeable scripting for me was when i pegged back someone to 2-2 and then he got the winner in injury time and it felt so wrong i knew it was scripting , i know what you mean when you score and it feels like a momentum shift and you will concede straight from kickoff well this was before when i used to close down like a madman with the player i had control of but now it doesn't really happen anymore since i tap L1 to get my dm player and sit back with L2 (special control) and triple hit circle when he kicks off and contain and move which ever player i have into stopping posistion and it works.

 

[matthewjohn85]

[MENTION=227910]jamestoni[/MENTION]

when i play other user's with this squad or (stronger) cpu on top player i don't loose many.

but when i play with this suad with the exception of ozil who wins alot of games with his close control speed burst's and finishing, i find it really tough to win all the time.

so it's like i said if you got the tools and you can play pes it becomes easier to overcome scripting but if you have lesser players with less TS it's more challenging. and iv'e always been good at pes online but with poor squads in the past along with scripting it became a slug just to try and enjoy the game.

i love it and i take no mercy on people when beating them because it's 'always me' normally so fuck it.

 

[pEst410]

I only play offline but this is my opinion: I'm getting a lot more fouls since the patch, certainly a lot more than last year, no complaints there. Also sometimes against stronger teams I get lots of my attacks broken by slide tackles where they happen to touch the ball so no foul given, this aggressiveness has also increased post-patch I think, sometimes this happens constantly and it's annoying!

I have no complaints about the AI being overpowered, but the odd scripted goal occurs. I've found I can mostly combat the scripting with tactics though - above all, don't use aggressive pressure if you're getting a lot of those goals at kickoff or right after scoring, you'll see the difference straight away! Use a fluid formation where all your players drop back when defending. Switch to a defensive formation right after scoring against a strong team.

Also, team spirit seems to make a big difference, even a small drop of 3 or 4 points may make scripting happen against you (defence going dumb and opening a clearing and such). Generally privilege team spirit over player rating and form (within reason). If fielding a stronger player will make your team spirit drop, save it for easier games so he gets used to it.

My main complaint with this game is that it has taken too long to find a realistic setting where I don't quit after 5 matches because it's too easy and I've already scored more than double the next team. I also find that if the CL is balanced in terms of difficulty, Liga NOS is waaay too easy and underrated. Going manual to make the game harder is not an option for me, I've tried it last year and again this year, it just makes the game no fun for me.

So after many days of tribulations I've finally found a setting that works for me: 8 minute matches on Superstar, -1 speed. Any longer matches, easier difficulty or playing at 0 speed results in too easy games in the league with more than 5 goals on every match and realistic results in the CL but with too many goals still...

With this setting I really have to think, adjust tactics mid-game several times when it's not working, see the results of that happening, etc. I also find the GK's are pretty much fine in Superstar, too good sometimes! What remains unrealistic is that a typical final stat will be say 14 shots for me and 3 for the adversary, but at least I'll only win like 2-0 because a lot more shots go wide or are saved...

I'm finally having great fun with this game like I did last year, so I really encourage you to play around with increasing difficulty, playing at -1 speed and shortening game length, it will pay off! And tactics will limit scripting!

 

[Clint_W_25]

Thanks for the feed back everyone.

To answer someone's question, I play on Super Star difficulty and my apologies when I said A.I. is overpowered, I didn't mean it in a sense that I'm struggling against A.I.

I meant certain things they do, especially the lobbed through ball or ridiculous control even when surrounded by multiple defenders, or holding them off while dribbling; is just unrealistic.

I took someone's advice and adjusted the game speed to -1 and it's much much better, thank you.

The scripted-ness to the game or scripted goals is annoying but as I said, the lack of fouls seriously just kills this game. I'm sick and tired of A.I. knocking you over, especially in your own half or box and then getting a goal they don't deserve.

I don't use big teams. I know many people like to use the BEST teams in the game, hence why the game would be so easy for them. I use small teams and sign young players / develop them and build a team for 5 seasons and more into a winning / competitive side. That's what I always do.

So people who use a Real Madrid or a Bayern or Barcelona should find the game relatively easy having the best players at their disposal.

I will continue to play the game. If I'm just not enjoying it, then I'll probably sell it Christmas time.

 

[BiGoo]

I've been patient with this game for the last week, just hoping it would improve with time played, buying better players in ML etc. I've had enough. This game is dog turd. It is only a videogame at the end of the day, but I cannot get over the incompetency to turn a very good game (2015) into this crap.

Main issues are the truly dreadful keepers - their stats seem to be irrelevant, they still spill balls out to attackers and are beaten by weak shots regularly. Frustrating.

Defenders are too easily beaten and turned now, and that in combination with the awful keepers means its very easy for opposition to score. Opposition defenders are too easily beaten also, meaning you end up with a lot of 3-3, 3-4, 5-5 games etc, even when you've set up very defensively. Very unrealistic, not satisfying in the slightest. PES was always about realism. What's happened? This is a step back to the arcadey 08/09 era.

Refs giving almost no frees. This was also an issue in 2015, but appears to be even worse now.

There is definitely a scripted feel at times also which is incredibly annoying. Sometimes you feel that they're going to score no matter what you do, because that's what the CPU sees as giving you a challenge. Awful stuff.

The combined effect of these problems is just a very unrealistic playing experience. 2015 was a very good effort, it was well balanced in terms of gameplay, much more realistic. What are the developers doing to take such a big step backwards? I cannot fathom how a developer playing this game could deem it to be ok, or an improvement on last year. Was it tested at all?

Extremely disappointing. Will be returning it and won't be buying next year unless there's massive improvement.

 

[SportGameFan]

Konami appear to be aiming the game at young/teenage boys who care more about stupid tattoos on superstar players and high scorelines, than mature gamers who want a more realistic simulation-style game.

They are going after the market that preferred FIFA when it was far less realistic than it is today. It's all about making money- and they seem to have the likes of IGN etc. in their pocket. I can't believe how the game has received so many reviews with high scores- the goalkeepers are crap- it's a con!

Don't waste your time playing a game that's so fundamentally flawed- Konami will only listen when the core PES fan stops buying the game- look at NBA Live, hardly anyone buys that game any more. I hope PES goes the same way...

... until they fix it! Next year's version can't just be a 'fix' of current issues, they need to produce something very special indeed- and no more sh!t from the Bhatti!!

 

[pEst410]

Defenders are too easily beaten and turned now, and that in combination with the awful keepers means its very easy for opposition to score. Opposition defenders are too easily beaten also, meaning you end up with a lot of 3-3, 3-4, 5-5 games etc, even when you've set up very defensively. Very unrealistic, not satisfying in the slightest. PES was always about realism. What's happened? This is a step back to the arcadey 08/09 era.

I really wonder what difficulty, duration and speed you're playing in...?

This is a screenshot from my ML season on January 1 (halfway through minus one game) playing as Benfica. Superstar, 8-minute matches, -1 speed. I'd say scores are pretty realistic?


And this is from the CL group stage (slightly skewed because I thrashed Apoel 7-0, craziest result I've achieved in PES 2016, all normal results otherwise)...

Also pretty decent?

But I know where you're coming from, I was thinking the same last week when I was scoring tonnes of goals in 9-minute matches, speed at 0, both in Top Player and Superstar. You really need to take the time to find the right settings for you, I'll grant you that having fun with a game shouldn't require so much work, but play in superstar, get your tactics right, reduce game duration, set speed at -1 and crazy scores will stop happening.

On your other points:

• Goalkeepers are fine in Superstar in my opinion.
• Opposition defenders can be easily beat sometimes especially if you find some common exploits, but as you can see from the screenshots that's not a problem for me anymore.
• My defenders sometimes go dumb when the scripting kicks in. I've repeated the first ML match many times as I refuse to accept blatant scripting and that's always the worst match for some reason. Apart from that one I've probably interrupted a match to start it again due to obvious scripted goals 3 or 4 times, and it was ok on the 2nd time... I agree there's more instances of scripting this year than last, but if you learn to defend and to set your tactics right, it's almost always beatable.
• Plenty of fouls on Superstar, it depends how you play, if you try to dribble through the defenders with tiny shifts of direction as they put their foot in you will get fouled. This has increased markedly since the patch.

So as I said, I'd like to know what settings you're using and if you've put the time in to find better ones...

 

[Clint_W_25]

I've been patient with this game for the last week, just hoping it would improve with time played, buying better players in ML etc. I've had enough. This game is dog turd. It is only a videogame at the end of the day, but I cannot get over the incompetency to turn a very good game (2015) into this crap.

Main issues are the truly dreadful keepers - their stats seem to be irrelevant, they still spill balls out to attackers and are beaten by weak shots regularly. Frustrating.

Defenders are too easily beaten and turned now, and that in combination with the awful keepers means its very easy for opposition to score. Opposition defenders are too easily beaten also, meaning you end up with a lot of 3-3, 3-4, 5-5 games etc, even when you've set up very defensively. Very unrealistic, not satisfying in the slightest. PES was always about realism. What's happened? This is a step back to the arcadey 08/09 era.

Refs giving almost no frees. This was also an issue in 2015, but appears to be even worse now.

There is definitely a scripted feel at times also which is incredibly annoying. Sometimes you feel that they're going to score no matter what you do, because that's what the CPU sees as giving you a challenge. Awful stuff.

The combined effect of these problems is just a very unrealistic playing experience. 2015 was a very good effort, it was well balanced in terms of gameplay, much more realistic. What are the developers doing to take such a big step backwards? I cannot fathom how a developer playing this game could deem it to be ok, or an improvement on last year. Was it tested at all?

Extremely disappointing. Will be returning it and won't be buying next year unless there's massive improvement.

I too am trying to like this game, but it's very frustrating!

People are saying this game is better than '15? I'm sorry I beg to differ.

I truly wish Konami had kept the same mechanics / game engine from '15 and improved on it, instead of completely changing it.

GK's are piss poor and so are A.I. teammates in simple situations and my gosh, talk about loose balls; they just stand and watch the ball half of the times.

What pisses me off most is, no matter how many defenders you have behind the ball, one A.I. opponent always gets open, or can hold off multiple defenders or when tackled, the ball always sticks at their feet or deflects back to them.

 

[optimistic]

What pisses me off most is, no matter how many defenders you have behind the ball, one A.I. opponent always gets open, or can hold off multiple defenders or when tackled, the ball always sticks at their feet or deflects back to them.

Hi there

Its so true, on Super Star LV, most of the time when AI decides to score, your defenders are just decorations and utterly powerless, in ML, I played an away game with Baca, I use Malaga, and manage to equalize 2:2 at 70's minute in 2nd half. Neymar is just a nasty bastard, he is surrounded by my 3 defenders, 2 trying to tackle him down, 1 is behind. But GODlike Neymar still dance his way into the box and score a goal---3:2, at 88 min 2nd half, he also scored a free kick which is impossible to stop, in the end, I lost 4:2. By the way, thats the first game in my new ML.

The scripting kills this game, KONAMI doesnt have good programmers who can make scripiting less obvious, its the biggest issue for PES series IMO.

 

[wkhalil]

I too am trying to like this game, but it's very frustrating!

People are saying this game is better than '15? I'm sorry I beg to differ.

I truly wish Konami had kept the same mechanics / game engine from '15 and improved on it, instead of completely changing it.

GK's are piss poor and so are A.I. teammates in simple situations and my gosh, talk about loose balls; they just stand and watch the ball half of the times.

What pisses me off most is, no matter how many defenders you have behind the ball, one A.I. opponent always gets open, or can hold off multiple defenders or when tackled, the ball always sticks at their feet or deflects back to them.

I like PES 2016 but I still think Pes 2015 was just a great effort. I know many would disagree but I still play 2015 version and wish that I am able to just import kits and update teams. When I go back to playing PES 2015 I can instantly notice the improvement in graphics and add animations and visual made to this the 2016 version but I must say that players models, game speed and mechanics in PES 2015 is just better and way more balanced in my opnion

 

[Clint_W_25]

I like PES 2016 but I still think Pes 2015 was just a great effort. I know many would disagree but I still play 2015 version and wish that I am able to just import kits and update teams. When I go back to playing PES 2015 I can instantly notice the improvement in graphics and add animations and visual made to this the 2016 version but I must say that players models, game speed and mechanics in PES 2015 is just better and way more balanced in my opnion

I thought I was the only person on earth who felt this way?

I have gone back countless times to play PES 2015, even up to this morning and how I wish PES 2016 had the ball physics of 2015:mellow:

You are correct and I share the same sentiments; that PES 2015 was feels more fluid that 2016 and I wish Konami had kept the same mechanics / game engine for this year's game.

I am highly frustrated with PES 2016 right now. The game is no fun! I'm sorry! But it's the least fun I've ever had with a PES game and I'm already tired of it after just one month of owning it.

What's killing this game for me is, NO FOULS! SCRIPTING! AI TEAMMATES! AI OPPONENTS! DEFLECTIONS! REBOUNDS! and most importantly; YOUR AI GK.

I am seriously fed up of not getting any fouls, any free kicks or even a penalty! 2 seasons of master league and not one penalty kick! I am sick and tired of AI opponent knocking you over in your half or after you win a ball, no foul call, then they whoop they get a goal scoring opportunity or score:huh:

I am fed up of having three or four defenders around one player and somehow the ball sticks at his feet or deflects back to him or you have many players back defending vs. one attacker in the box and some how a magically lobbed through ball finds him wide open or your defenders don't respond / leave players open.

I could go on ranting forever! But I am sorry this year's PES 2016 IMO is a major step backwards and I cannot see how it got the ratings it did.