I've had enough of this!!!!!! pes4 is way better than 5!!!!!!
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October to now gives me at least 3 months of 2-3 hours a night practice. How the hell can I not be any better than I am?! The point I am trying to get across is that there is no fun in the game as you need to put in too much effort. And by putting all that effort in, I have found I have got very little in return from what should have been the best game in the series.
Yes, PES5 is supposed to be the most realistic game to play, but in reality unless you aspire to being Lampard, Ronaldinho, Pirlo etc why would you want to know how football plays in real life? Get fit an healthy by getting a ball and 3 or 4 mates and have a kick about in the park, then you'll know what real football is all about. Games are about escapism, not trying to be real. It's like those stupid kids who play GTA and then shoot people and steal their car afterwards, it's just not what games should be about.
I know it seems like I am just ranting for the sake of losing, but when I was good a PES3 & 4, I enjoyed playing them, even if the chellenge wasn't there anymore. I played because I wanted to, not because I had to. It just feels like I am only playing PES5 now becuase I have to, and by have to I mean that I have to actually beat the PES demons that are in my head taunting me for not being able to play the newer version of the game I used to be good at not 6 months ago.
Yes, PES5 is supposed to be the most realistic game to play, but in reality unless you aspire to being Lampard, Ronaldinho, Pirlo etc why would you want to know how football plays in real life? Get fit an healthy by getting a ball and 3 or 4 mates and have a kick about in the park, then you'll know what real football is all about. Games are about escapism, not trying to be real. It's like those stupid kids who play GTA and then shoot people and steal their car afterwards, it's just not what games should be about.
I know it seems like I am just ranting for the sake of losing, but when I was good a PES3 & 4, I enjoyed playing them, even if the chellenge wasn't there anymore. I played because I wanted to, not because I had to. It just feels like I am only playing PES5 now becuase I have to, and by have to I mean that I have to actually beat the PES demons that are in my head taunting me for not being able to play the newer version of the game I used to be good at not 6 months ago.
Usul
Registered User
This through ball fiasco is what is refered to as a bug. I 100% believe that this is a bug in the programming but how something so important would espape these bastards is beyond me and very confusing.Stardusted said:
What pissess me off more than the so called winers are the people that choose to look beyond the obvious flaws and forget them and then just develope fixed styles of play to beat the ridiculously linear and retarded COM. They think that beating the COM after you have learned that its fullbacks always leave the winger alone once you aproach them with your FB or AMF and all you have to do is give him a through ball and cross it into the area, is really fucking genious. They think that's proof that they are masters of the game and are entitled to tell others to go learn how to play. I for one can take out the COM in six star with relative ease but it is highly frustrating to try and make 1-2 plays and have an enjoyable high level match. Is it so difficult to make a program where the opposition plays better/smarter rather than dirtier and stupider? The defenders intercept almost everything regardless of the team. It's as if you're always playing the same side but only they have different faces and are wearing different kits.
Anyway, my only complaint has only ever been the through balls and i do hope this is adressed. I think there are a few other bugs, passing related and player change related. I play manual player change and sometimes when i chage player it doesnt switch to the one nearest the ball as it should or it just changes the player for me and sometimes it's not even to the nearest one to the ball, specially with long high passes. Now that really makes me go berserk. To me manual means that i should be able to keep control of a player until i say so not until the bloody COM feels like i should. What is the fucking point of having manual control?
I know this feeling more than ever! Coupled with the crap through balls, which I haven't mentioned anything really specific that gets me angry, but this is one of them.
1. Manual player control is great to get a hold of the ball and challenge for the ball as early as possible. But the fact that it doesn't work properly means that in the split second that it doesn't work could mean you concede a goal, corner or free kick!
2. Through balls are crap. I have players totally free on the wing, but when I hit the correct direction and the button to through ball, it just attempts to through ball it to the player in the middle who is totally crowded out. Plus all through seem to be of the same power level, even if you are 10 feet away or half the pitch away.
3. Passing leads on from through balls. It's way too random and the same thing happens with the passing as does the through ball; the pass is wayward and doesn't go to the player you want.
4. The goal keepers are stupid bastards. There is no point in sugar coating it, they are dumb as fuck. When they are actually in a situation where they need to react, generally I have seen them run from the attacking player! LOL. I laugh, but the tears are real.
5. Running with the ball is bloody stupid. Who would be the fastest player in the world? Possibly Cisse? C.Ronaldo? Roberto Carlos? Who cares, the point is that these quick footed players are no match for the slowest player in the game/world when they have the ball! I don't think dribble speed and sprint speed should vary too much if you are sprinting with the ball in a straight line. But sure enough here comes the turtle, OMG he's passed Roberto Carlos, stole the ball from him and is now giving him the finger! Imagine Neville Southall (big fat goalie) sprinting after Shaun Wright-Philips! ROFL, what a thought!
If you think about, putting all these points together make for pretty interesting playing. Just think if there were any other "bugs" in the game, what would it play like then!
I agree with you guys. I now know how to beat the COM, but it is always the same thing; its like i created myself a "trick" to win, like the old computer games, or the latest FIFA (he he).
Sometimes i feel like Im making the same plays over and over, and the CPU is always marking my players the same way.. oh and you forgot: did you notice that, when the CPU needs the points, it will always block penalties from you? Try to see it in replay: the goalie sometimes even jumps before you have kicked the ball.. its so sad.
What I think is all of this bugs and flaws the game has are maybe because of the current CPU limitations older platforms have (PS2 for example) and maybe the game could become more realistic and less cheater when it migrates to PS3, and of course we all buy new video cards etc etc.
But thats something we dont know. But we do know is the fact that people calling this game "the real one" could not be more wrong. It is not real to make blind passes every time. It is not real to be quicker than the quicker players, even in red arrow. It is not real playing 17 matches and only see one yellow card. This game is not realistic at all, and is getting too repetitive to be fun, at least in player vs com.
Sometimes i feel like Im making the same plays over and over, and the CPU is always marking my players the same way.. oh and you forgot: did you notice that, when the CPU needs the points, it will always block penalties from you? Try to see it in replay: the goalie sometimes even jumps before you have kicked the ball.. its so sad.
What I think is all of this bugs and flaws the game has are maybe because of the current CPU limitations older platforms have (PS2 for example) and maybe the game could become more realistic and less cheater when it migrates to PS3, and of course we all buy new video cards etc etc.
But thats something we dont know. But we do know is the fact that people calling this game "the real one" could not be more wrong. It is not real to make blind passes every time. It is not real to be quicker than the quicker players, even in red arrow. It is not real playing 17 matches and only see one yellow card. This game is not realistic at all, and is getting too repetitive to be fun, at least in player vs com.
watty1877
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Just need to vent a little here, was playing my ML last night with Tottenham on 6* as usual. Im top of the league 15 points clear of Man U and actually enjoying the game completely, for the first time since i bought it. I thought to meself... Ive cracked it, no more frustration for me!!!
But...
5 games left to go and i have to play Charlton. First half is one of those do everything but score games, but i feel second half ill grab a goal or two.
NO!!! Charlton came out like something i can honestly say ive never experienced before. They were awesome, they seemed to have players f*cking everywhere. My player suddenly lost all ability to pass, everything was going straight to a Charlton player, and i didnt leave my half the whole second period. They didnt score, but how they didnt is beyond me. Corners i couldnt manually change my players to mark theirs, and the crosses were going straight to em unmarked, they were cutting me to pieces... honestly. It was only down to heroics from Robinson in goal that kept the game at 0-0. (possession at the end of the game was 74% in their favour)
Anyway, this went on for the following 3 games in the league and 2 games in the cup. I couldnt touch em. I lost 2 and drew the others 0-0.
I got to the last game, and i was sooo pissed off, i mean PISSED off, i restarted the game as an act of desperation. Final game against Arsenal, i didnt know what to expect as i always struggle against em. I won the f*cking thing 6-1. Now tell me, whats that all about???
Vent over!
But...
5 games left to go and i have to play Charlton. First half is one of those do everything but score games, but i feel second half ill grab a goal or two.
NO!!! Charlton came out like something i can honestly say ive never experienced before. They were awesome, they seemed to have players f*cking everywhere. My player suddenly lost all ability to pass, everything was going straight to a Charlton player, and i didnt leave my half the whole second period. They didnt score, but how they didnt is beyond me. Corners i couldnt manually change my players to mark theirs, and the crosses were going straight to em unmarked, they were cutting me to pieces... honestly. It was only down to heroics from Robinson in goal that kept the game at 0-0. (possession at the end of the game was 74% in their favour)
Anyway, this went on for the following 3 games in the league and 2 games in the cup. I couldnt touch em. I lost 2 and drew the others 0-0.
I got to the last game, and i was sooo pissed off, i mean PISSED off, i restarted the game as an act of desperation. Final game against Arsenal, i didnt know what to expect as i always struggle against em. I won the f*cking thing 6-1. Now tell me, whats that all about???
Vent over!
Hitting the tv and no sex that's hilarious. But that's how footy games can get to you. Seriously, if you want to play pes5 well play fifa06 on legendary. Fifa06 is so frustrating with its passing a shooting that when you play pes5 you will find yourself winning 3-0 plus on 6*. Well that's what happened to me.
MatTheCat
Registered User
lol....
Is PES5 not THEE MOST fucking frustrating footie game known to man.....
.....vent NOT over!
Whilst I do agree with all the points about random passing and repetitive gameplay etc, who else realises that the real arsehole factor about this arsehole of a game is how the AI totally controls the flow of the game IN 2 PLAYER MODE as well as the blatant cheateryin 1p vs com mode.
Who often feels when playing a mate or playing online sometimes that playing PES5 is the same as either winning or being totally fucking robbed by a fruit machine?
I play online with my m8 and I can often predict the outcome of a game after 10 minutes just by realising how my players seem to be postioning themselves etc...... More than ever before your success in this game is down to whether or not the AI is on your sidemuch the same as success on a fruit machine is more down to whether the machine wants to pay out or not other than your knowledge of how to play fruit machines.
This beyond all things is what destroys this game and quite possibly puts it in the sin-bin of all PES games! I still think 4 was the worst due to it being the very first PES game to contain "flawed" goals......really wrecked my perceptions of the series and wrecked regular tournies I had with mates also.......but 1 thing must be said......I certainyl remeber having more fun with PES4 than I ever have with PES5 and PES4 never even nearly drove me to the outbursts of temper and aggravation that PES5 does.
Is PES5 not THEE MOST fucking frustrating footie game known to man.....
.....vent NOT over!
Whilst I do agree with all the points about random passing and repetitive gameplay etc, who else realises that the real arsehole factor about this arsehole of a game is how the AI totally controls the flow of the game IN 2 PLAYER MODE as well as the blatant cheateryin 1p vs com mode.
Who often feels when playing a mate or playing online sometimes that playing PES5 is the same as either winning or being totally fucking robbed by a fruit machine?
I play online with my m8 and I can often predict the outcome of a game after 10 minutes just by realising how my players seem to be postioning themselves etc...... More than ever before your success in this game is down to whether or not the AI is on your sidemuch the same as success on a fruit machine is more down to whether the machine wants to pay out or not other than your knowledge of how to play fruit machines.
This beyond all things is what destroys this game and quite possibly puts it in the sin-bin of all PES games! I still think 4 was the worst due to it being the very first PES game to contain "flawed" goals......really wrecked my perceptions of the series and wrecked regular tournies I had with mates also.......but 1 thing must be said......I certainyl remeber having more fun with PES4 than I ever have with PES5 and PES4 never even nearly drove me to the outbursts of temper and aggravation that PES5 does.
Usul
Registered User
I was just playing a ML match and i could swear the COM was doing everything in it's power to beat me. The highlight of the match was when i finally was blessed with a favourable decison by the ref which happened to be a foul right in front of goal, a penalty. It was in the final moments of the game as well and i knew in my heart that the COM would save this so i thought, "Fuck it. I will tap it in straight. This way if the keeper gets it i can still nudge it in on the rebound". So i tapped the damn button and the son of a whore kicked it high and wide...I was so furious all i could do was smile.
I still think this game is far better than PES4. The animations are great and that in itself is enough for me. And as i said before, you really cannot judge this game by it's AI, although it would be nice if they sort that out next time. To enjoy this game you have to play against a good human opponent that won't try to foul you every move you make and will not leave huge gaps in the defense because it is bent on blindly getting the ball at all costs.
One thing that does bother me about people saying that PES5 is more realistic, which in truth it is, is that they seem to forget about the astounding no look passing that the AI makes in six star. Sometimes no matter how much pressure you put on it's players it is impossible to intercept the ball. Even when they are cornered they will still be able to make a crazy pass, with a mediocre player, which will go directly to one his team mates. That really pisses me right off.
I still think this game is far better than PES4. The animations are great and that in itself is enough for me. And as i said before, you really cannot judge this game by it's AI, although it would be nice if they sort that out next time. To enjoy this game you have to play against a good human opponent that won't try to foul you every move you make and will not leave huge gaps in the defense because it is bent on blindly getting the ball at all costs.
One thing that does bother me about people saying that PES5 is more realistic, which in truth it is, is that they seem to forget about the astounding no look passing that the AI makes in six star. Sometimes no matter how much pressure you put on it's players it is impossible to intercept the ball. Even when they are cornered they will still be able to make a crazy pass, with a mediocre player, which will go directly to one his team mates. That really pisses me right off.
notoriousbmc
Registered User
Muad'Dib said:
LOL I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY 1 THAT DID THIS
Stardusted
Registered User
I agree with the fact (for me at least a fact) that PES5 is better than PES4 as an overall experience. The flaws are there, and we just point them so it could get better. I never ever punched my monitor or threw a gamepad, partly because I play football in real life for a local team and I ve seen my fair share of crazy unfair calls and stuff like that, and I m kinda used to them.
Hope they fix the (even in its current bugged form) best soccer sim available. Until then I will still have fun playing pes, like i ve always had, me and my friends too. We even play pes before real life matches and sometimes after, it is safe to say I just love this game. So I strongly suggest to anyone who thinks we are pes-haters here, to think again.
Good luck and wins to all of you, see you on the field
Hope they fix the (even in its current bugged form) best soccer sim available. Until then I will still have fun playing pes, like i ve always had, me and my friends too. We even play pes before real life matches and sometimes after, it is safe to say I just love this game. So I strongly suggest to anyone who thinks we are pes-haters here, to think again.
Good luck and wins to all of you, see you on the field
oh man.... i'mgoing to repeat some of you by saying PES5 is a great game which is harder and better than PES4, BUT... imho the facker cheats. If you play a cup the further you come the harder it's get's it's team indepenend!!!
Also when you're doing a good job (which i did last night ) in the finals the computer plays some kind of revenge on you. Last night i played NED - Italia in a Cupfinal match on 5*. I came in front 3-0 and within 5 minutes (PES time) the scores was 3-3. How on earth is this possible?! I'm sure I didn't make that much mistakes and the COM just played god and did some marvelous things.
In ML I just know when the COM will score about 5 seconds before it actually happens. I can't do anything about this and it's just unfair.
In corners (defending) i'd like to come in front of a player, but this isn 't always possible. I know i have to come in front of a player. I'm handeling to do so but my player is just playing stupid. This hasn't anything to do with balance or what ever, this is just unfair. Even with super cancel i can't manage to get in front of them. If this is not cheating. please tell me how to prevent this?! (don't be so sarcastic to say "don't cause a corner" )
Really PES 5 is better than 4 but they have to reconsider the AI.
Also when you're doing a good job (which i did last night
) in the finals the computer plays some kind of revenge on you. Last night i played NED - Italia in a Cupfinal match on 5*. I came in front 3-0 and within 5 minutes (PES time) the scores was 3-3. How on earth is this possible?! I'm sure I didn't make that much mistakes and the COM just played god and did some marvelous things.In ML I just know when the COM will score about 5 seconds before it actually happens. I can't do anything about this and it's just unfair.
In corners (defending) i'd like to come in front of a player, but this isn 't always possible. I know i have to come in front of a player. I'm handeling to do so but my player is just playing stupid. This hasn't anything to do with balance or what ever, this is just unfair. Even with super cancel i can't manage to get in front of them. If this is not cheating. please tell me how to prevent this?! (don't be so sarcastic to say "don't cause a corner"
)Really PES 5 is better than 4 but they have to reconsider the AI.
simakperrce
Registered User
Clubvibe said:In ML I just know when the COM will score about 5 seconds before it actually happens. I can't do anything about this and it's just unfair.
In corners (defending) i'd like to come in front of a player, but this isn 't always possible. I know i have to come in front of a player. I'm handeling to do so but my player is just playing stupid. This hasn't anything to do with balance or what ever, this is just unfair. Even with super cancel i can't manage to get in front of them. If this is not cheating. please tell me how to prevent this?! (don't be so sarcastic to say "don't cause a corner"
Really PES 5 is better than 4 but they have to reconsider the AI.
This "leaning behind the CPU player" thing which you mention here gotta be one of the most ridiculous bugs/cheats/"features" ever implemented in a sports game. it wasn't in PES4 (at least i don't remember), and currently it's giving me laughing fits whenever i see it. You have a long cross fielder, both the CPU and you running for it and your player will ALWAYS run to the farther spot behind the CPU player like a piece of metal to a strong magnet and then lean on that player as if he was an impenetrable stone pillar. Sometimes super cancel will do the job (say, when the score is even), but when the CPU wants/needs it'll just ignore it to gain the header.
Same for crosses. when CPU crosses their players are 9 out of 10 times in front with your defenders doing the pansy lean. "uh, oh, no... i don't want to get the ball. it'll hurt on my head. i'll rather lean behind this guy and he is gonna get it". same on the other side: your attackers lean behind instead of calculating where the ball will come down. even world class players do this shit. same if the CPU plays a pass and the CPU player receives it with the back to your player. instead of going around and trying to tackle it away your player does the fancy lean. the worst is that whenever he does this he becomes unresponsive and "sticky" for about just as long as not to have any influence on the play anymore. once you control him again the ball is long gone.
I am sure someone will come along again and say "you need to practice more" and use super cancel. i will, my friend, i will.