Losing constantly

[Makavelian]

I've lost games thanks to cursor switching, no way thats my fault. Lost 2-1 in a game I dominated - with shit players mind.

Granted I've conceded stupid goals from my own fault but I wasn't able to select the player nearest the ball after his goal kick, instead two CPU controlled players ran away from the ball. Two defenders :facepalm:

It was a good finish mind stroking past my keeper but ffs.

That's not scripting it's just shit cursor switching system.Your opponent faces the same problems.Just unlucky but nothing to do with scripting.

 

[Ali]

You have to take into account when you are playing another human whether online or offline it doesn't matter as long as there's no lag.People get complacent, change tactics what makes the difference or just up there game or hit a lucky shot.Most of the time you can pin point a mistake that you've made what's leaded to your opponent to score.If you think of it like football than you are going to get unlucky from time to time.For me it feels like i get the luck majority of the time.You never remember all them lucky wins you get and all them lucky strikes.A couple of months ago i went over 40 games undefeated over a 4 day period beating some good players and then end up losing to some crap player who had one shot all match when i had over 10 shot's on target.But i'm not going to blame the game for cheating me like little whinging bitches do when things don't go there way.I knew at the end of the match i could of been more clinical in the match by trying walking it in.Same goes for the goal i conceded from the corner was a result of poor defending what led to the actual corner.
Like i said it's always easier to blame something what's out of your hand rather than looking yourself in the mirror.
Keep blaming the game for all your scripted defeats while all the good players keep on winning.
Good luck.

It surprises me that a man of such experience (with PES), that you fail to see when you are blatantly being cheated against, by scripting. Yes, not every goal is down to scripting. Some may be due to good play, or a cock up by yourself.
I've played PES for a very long time. I'm not just some pre-pubescent kid who blames the game whenever he loses. I know my shortcomings, and I KNOW when the scripting is going against me..... and I'm not talking about some shitty little cursor changing problems. I'm talking about players not doing what I'm telling them to do (clearing the ball etc), the opposition getting an insanely large slice of the luck.

I'll use my most recent incindent as an example. Playing against my brother, he goes 1-0 up thanks to my defender not booting the ball away when I'm telling him to, and some terrible keeping. I draw level straight after..... through scripting no doubt... (I'll admit when it goes in my favour), by the end of the first half, I'm 3-1 up an cruising. Not long into the 2nd half, he scores a goal that I called a mile off (scripting obviously). STRAIGHT from kick off, I give the ball away, due to my player not passing it where I'm telling him too. A few 50/50s going against me, and a few ricochets later... he scores. Needless to say, I cannot get out of my half for the next few minutes, and he eventually goes 5-3 up.
Now, you can say this may be down to tactics being changed... to which I say "no, tactics stayed the same for both teams". So how can I lose concentration so badly? Well..... I didn't.... but that's the point, it was out of my control.
You probably won't believe me, you just had to see the goals. It was a blatant attempt by the game to imitate "momentum shifting".... but failing miserably and going too far.

 

[aguy1]

After playing some more I managed to somehow get on track and win many games, while trying MANY tactics.

About scripting - I failed to understand whether you mean that the game is bad for it's bad controllers for example or that one team is given better potential for winning. If that's the second option so it seems really odd but practically maybe true.

Btw, sorry for the off topic but one thing that worries me:
I played against someone, he sucked, I scored and almost won, and then Xbox live suddenly disconnected (never happened before), after loggig back I found out I was dealt with a technical defeat 3-0. My reception icon is always low for some reason but actually I think he hacked. Am I right?

 

[macca4]

hi plz could you tell me what tactics and formation to play against a very good player using 4-3-3 and always scores open goals past me

 

[Makavelian]

hi plz could you tell me what tactics and formation to play against a very good player using 4-3-3 and always scores open goals past me

Man mark there wingers with your full backs and there lone striker with your dmf.But tbh that magical code that konami built in for multiplayer is just making you lose games because it's conspiring against you.Making you do bad defending and crap attacking.Also the ref is against you ,if you quickly press the start button you will see you players stats have plummeted .

 

[Sminky]

That's not scripting it's just shit cursor switching system.Your opponent faces the same problems.Just unlucky but nothing to do with scripting.

It is a scripting issue as the interface cannot accept cursor switching in certain situations. If you play 4 centrebacks, it confuses the fuck out of the AI with player switching. Same with three defensive midfielders. The game cannot comprehend positional multitudes outside of what the game recognizes as the norm. Konami has admitted that too much can be active within the game for the engine to deal with.

I played two tournaments last week against five mates & computer teams, I won both as it happens, but my god the game was troublesome, when momentum switches you can feel your team become less responsive. Player switching was ridiculous, bizarre AI and weird glitching. I've noticed a frequent animation error when players dislocate their legs to volley the ball. Also, why the fuck do players insist doing scissor kick volleys ALL the time instead of a knee high volley or even heading the ball?

I like PES2011 but its flawed and its sheer folly to deny it.

 

[Makavelian]

The games flawed i never said it wasn't.Again the cursor switching is nothing to do with what the op was talking about that's just a game flaw. So if your drawing a match then when your cb's turn into retards and you can't select them you guys would think that the game is against you what is ridiculous,it's just the shitty coding by konami.
But there's no magical code that makes you play bad ,you make you play bad .Stupid glitches in the game are just bad coding not some higher being deciding your going to lose.The amount of time you've played online and dominated a game start to finish do you ever think wow the scripted momento was really behind me then?
Play single player on top player now that is what you call scripted game-play.
At times in multiplayer it can feel like the world is against you in this game but it's not momentum with some magical force making your opponent better .

 

[Sminky]

The games flawed i never said it wasn't.Again the cursor switching is nothing to do with what the op was talking about that's just a game flaw.
But there's no magical code that makes you play bad ,you make you play bad .Stupid glitches in the game are just bad coding not some higher being deciding your going to lose.The amount of time you've played online and dominated a game start to finish do you ever think wow the scripted momento was really behind me then?
Play single player on top player now that is what you call scripted game-play.
At times it can feel like the world is against you in this game but it's not momentum with some magical force making your opponent better .

I've won games against my friends and people online in spite of the AI, Konami have admitted there are problems.

The amount of activity on the screen at once with two players is an issue for the game engine and affects responsiveness.

PES is still a work in progress trying to capture the essence of real football.

 

[Makavelian]

Never really noticed any problems with activity on the screen causing problems on the pc version.Certainly not offline multiplayer.Still doesnt explain people saying the a.i makes you play better or worse to whoever the game decides shall win this muliplayer match.

 

[Sminky]

Really annoying on the PS3 sometimes, could be a processor issue with the console.

 

[macca4]

Man mark there wingers with your full backs and there lone striker with your dmf.But tbh that magical code that konami built in for multiplayer is just making you lose games because it's conspiring against you.Making you do bad defending and crap attacking.Also the ref is against you ,if you quickly press the start button you will see you players stats have plummeted .

this guy has lost around 10 times since pes5 it is getting boring now 2 of my m8s have never beaten him in 8years of playing the dodgey tactic of cutting in with wingers and striker tapping in from 8yrds is unbeatable and its sooo annoying

 

[0-0-10]

The games flawed i never said it wasn't.Again the cursor switching is nothing to do with what the op was talking about that's just a game flaw. So if your drawing a match then when your cb's turn into retards and you can't select them you guys would think that the game is against you what is ridiculous,it's just the shitty coding by konami.
But there's no magical code that makes you play bad ,you make you play bad .Stupid glitches in the game are just bad coding not some higher being deciding your going to lose.The amount of time you've played online and dominated a game start to finish do you ever think wow the scripted momento was really behind me then?
Play single player on top player now that is what you call scripted game-play.
At times in multiplayer it can feel like the world is against you in this game but it's not momentum with some magical force making your opponent better .

uve never noticed the scripting after a goal been scored? The player that has conceded get a little "boost" and thats why you see a lot of goals being scored after another.

 

[AshrafSharaf]

Had a winning streak since this morning after changing to 4-4-2 Diamond got the rating from 430 to 520 beating a couple of 550 rated players on the way then i met a couple of guys with 430 rating and lost \drew all the games after that dropped again to 470, 2 of the notable incidents is leading 2-1 in the 91st min and trying to shoot with Lampard from outside the box the shot hits my attacker and deflects as a counter attack where he equalized, another is when i dominated some guy and wasted some funny chances then he got his first corner of the game he plays the corner and follows with a shitty header that went soo high then dropped on the bar then in my keeper hands the ball is slow as fuck but it seems that it was too hard for the keeper to hold it so he dropped it to the attacker who scored and i lost that game 1-0, normally i can come back and i did it a lot before as it was in the first half but the amount of frustration i felt at this point cannot be described it was too much for me to continue playing specially after the effort and concentration i put in that game as i felt it could be a turning point.

@ 0-0-10 spot on there it's not a coincidence the amount of goals you score\concede right after scoring\conceding.

 

[Cactus777]

Same with 45th and 90th minutes. Its almost like the AI's drop to amateur.

 

[lyc10]

Same with 45th and 90th minutes. Its almost like the AI's drop to amateur.

omg, i cannot agree more..
scripting is quite obvious in this game to be honest, so i dont see the point of defending it, I've played in games where i've had 15 shots and no goals, a few of them off the post, and a couple of 1v1 going way wide, I'm an above average player to say the least, so i do know when i fucked up or not, and most of those were simply not down to me. and then of course, scripting is not complete without my opponents would scoring some freak goals, some can end up scoring 2 against me without registering a shot on target. no scripting, yeah right.

 

[Makavelian]

Right so i've started using big teams (Brazil mainly/Germany and italy) to prove to myself that there's no game scripting to help bad players or lesser teams what people always seem to think in mlo .Currently on a 28 winning streak .My run was broken by winning on penalty's but goes down as a draw what is ridiculous,but that's for another topic.I've got my highest ever total in the match lobby's 720 points.Never feel like my players feel unresponsive ,not conceded straight from scoring not a once.Been using the default formation with dani alves on for elano and the full backs pulled back.I've been so used to average type's of players with this game now i've got great player's my players are just beast for the whole 90 minutes.People love to whore the left wing and with dani alves covering Maicon knowones passing.So people stay mediocre and keep blaming the game.I hope to see some of you online on pc the user name is newV2 ,watch out bitches

 

[0-0-10]

Its not about if people are bad or not. Im in div1 and 40 someting in the total rank, but I can say its very clear there is scripting and I really think they should remove it in pes12!

 

[Makavelian]

Like i said before keep blaming the game while i keep winning,not big headed just better.

 

[Cactus777]

Makavelian is like the 12yr old who will tell you Black Ops doesn't lag. Anybody with a brain can tell if you put half a clip into someone and they turn around and kill you, its lag. Makav would tell you to learn to aim. lol.

Just like the denial of 'momentum'. Anybody with basic observation skills can see the shifts. Play someone in the low 400's and they will be favored the entire match. When you play a regular quick match rather than MLO its even more noticeable because the teams are likely to be equal.

 

[Makavelian]

Yawn , 43 games unbeaten.