New GAMEPLAY Trailer (E3 2010)

[OCKRASS]

Amatuer must live near a nuclear plant or something.

If you don't want Messi to do the roulette...thats your decision dude.

This is not an opinion shared by others.

As far as i see it, you take every thing to the extreme ...."20 min simulation....Messi does not do that in real life ....PES vs Fifa...."

What will he think of next? But he is still entitled to his long winded opinions.

I don't even read his posts. just a waste of time really.

 

[Jeronimoe]

Still not convincing!
There was no gaplay footage of change of pace and direction. All was shown was direct runs which will alway look great with the graphics that pes has; also what we saw with the feints was cinima footage and not gamplay footage there for we dont know how fluid it looks due play and relivance and if it will work as how it does in fifa. With fifa they actually have exit moves with every feint. However I am hopefull that konami has seen the error of their ways will surprise us for 2011.
So far it looks 65% complete!

 

[Amateur]

Amatuer must live near a nuclear plant or something.

If you don't want Messi to do the roulette...thats your decision dude.

This is not an opinion shared by others.

As far as i see it, you take every thing to the extreme ...."20 min simulation....Messi does not do that in real life ....PES vs Fifa...."

What will he think of next? But he is still entitled to his long winded opinions.

I don't even read his posts. just a waste of time really.

Unlike you, I do not waste my time talking about rubbish that has nothing to do with the game,

What a sad fan-boy you are,

I don't take things to the extreme, I am not the one insulting people here, I am not the one defending a money-hungry company,

But of course, you had to get that out of your system didn't you? it's so stupid, grow-up man, really,

 

[R9NALD9]

Well after 3 years of lies and shit by Konami I'm almost up to a point where I want pes to fail...

but in my honest opinion I must say I'm actually very impressed by the gameplay bits shown in the trailer and it looks miles better than pes 10. I'll have to wait for the demo to judge though, as it means shit if it looks good but feels shit when playing...but so far so good, it looks very promising.

and yes...i blew my load when I saw Ronaldo! woo hoo!

 

[metsuri69]

Lets just face the fact, no matter what konami showes out as Pes2011 you guys will diss it.

Thank you, go on.

 

[shaun7]

Yeah, I suppose it's better -- give the option to the user,

However, I am sure I am not alone when I say that most people would have preferred to see Leo Messi dribbling like Messi,

If that had been the case, people would be discussing how great the player individuality looks; which unfortunately, is not the case at the moment,

But I agree with your point, it is better for Konami to appeal to everyone, thus giving the user the option of playing realistically or unrealistically,

Though it must be clear, that it can seriously damage the game's credibility if these unrealistic dribbling tricks can work each and every time, thus making the game predictable and repetitive and even more flawed than it currently is; which is a huge problem with FIFA,

So far, pes' individuality is shown when you play with the player mostly. But when the AI controls the player, the individuality shines even more. And that will be the case this year. Konami only showed the moves with messi because he is signed with konami at the moment. And messi can do them in reality but chooses not to. So as I said, konami can't make messi not do these skills because in reality he can. And as I said also, it's up to who's controlling the play to play realistic. However when AI controlled, messi has to play like messi, otherwise the player individuality wouldn't be good enough. This would satisfy both freedom and individuality. I don't see it as a loss of individuality though because there really isn't another way.

 

[jameslv]

the previews from pesfan from people at e3 are extremely positive.

 

[byrnie05]

I don't actually hate PES10 at the moment and am enjoying Master League. The opposition appear to have stepped up their game against me and I don't envisage winning the league this season because of it.

After the boring 2008 and the cheating 2009, it's a breath of fresh air. 2011 for me should be the series back at its peak.

 

[Jonny16]

The one thing i would love to know from the press is whether the ball noise has been quietened down! Couldnt stand the constant "thud thud thud" everytime it was kicked, short or long!

 

[Amateur]

So far, pes' individuality is shown when you play with the player mostly. But when the AI controls the player, the individuality shines even more. And that will be the case this year. Konami only showed the moves with messi because he is signed with konami at the moment. And messi can do them in reality but chooses not to. So as I said, konami can't make messi not do these skills because in reality he can. And as I said also, it's up to who's controlling the play to play realistic. However when AI controlled, messi has to play like messi, otherwise the player individuality wouldn't be good enough. This would satisfy both freedom and individuality. I don't see it as a loss of individuality though because there really isn't another way.

Yeah,

But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,

Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,

I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,

 

[El_Pupi]

Well, my point is very simple -- Leo Messi does not dribbles like Leo Messi -- what else do you want me to say?

He never dribbles like that in a 90 minute game, so you will make him dribble like CR9 in a 10 minute game? that just doesn't makes any sense to me?

It's like, Leo Messi is the cover-boy and yet, the animations and dribbling tricks in the game -- it all seems to revolve around CR9, it looks like Konami had a couple of Mo Cap Sections with CR9,

It clearly shows the direction PES is taking, and I really don't like it, it's more simplistic in my opinion,

I am disappointed with that -- it shows that PES is copying FIFA, it shows a lack of originality from Konami,

The video-clip actually made me think of FIFA 2011 -- I hope EA Sports get the player individuality right, different type of tricks for different type of players, etc; if they get that right -- FIFA 2011 could be a great game.

As for PES 2011,

I really enjoy playing PES 2010 every now and then; I have no doubts that PES 2011 will be the best PES to date -- but -- I just don't like the new direction of the game,

if its his dribbling what's bothering you right now, i think you will be able to change it in the edit mode and find the most appropriate for messi, you can change the players dribbling in pes2010 and i sure it will be possible to do so in 2011.

pes is awesome because there are different kinds of dribbling unlike in fifa where every players dribbles the same.

also players stats also affect the way a player runs with the ball, thus making messi feel like the real messi

 

[R9NALD9]

Yeah,

But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,

Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,

I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,

Howzit Amateur...
You are as bitter as hell? What happened, you are taking these videogames waaay too seriously. ANY game can be broken if the player wants to play like a monkey, seriously. I understand your flaws, but all your comments are full of pessimism and bitterness. You cannot deny the fact that this trailer is looking far more positive than previous years!

 

[Jonny16]

I think they used Messi as a player doing tricks because he is the cover boy, nothing more to it really!

I know when i use Messi, i dont use the stepovers and stuff and i know i wont be using him to do rainbow flicks and such...only going to showboat if im coasting ahead and have Joe Cole and Cristiano Ronaldo

You make the game

 

[Amateur]

Howzit Amateur...
You are as bitter as hell? What happened, you are taking these videogames waaay too seriously. ANY game can be broken if the player wants to play like a monkey, seriously. I understand your flaws, but all your comments are full of pessimism and bitterness. You cannot deny the fact that this trailer is looking far more positive than previous years!

Yeah, this is why people complain about the lack of improvements?

I mean, we do have a lot of people complaining about lack of improvements -- the game is called Pro EVOLUTION Soccer -- it's not that I'm bitter, it's just that I want the game to be better and more realistic, instead of unrealistic and arcade-like

I really do not see the "pessimism" that you're talking about, I really don't, I'm just commenting on very obvious, very understandable things,

ANY game can be broken?? I don't think so, a lot of video games cannot be broken,

To be honest, this is starting to feel like WENB -- you say something that is both constructive and valid, and the people read it as something full of "pessimism" and even "bitterness"

I am not a fan-boy of the game, I do not get "bitter" because of a video game, I do not defend Konami, I do not come here to judge people, etc, etc; still, I am realistic about it, and I want the game to improve because it should improve, we pay for improvements,

 

[Ultimate777]

Aye, its boring now dont you just shut up with your constant negative theories about PES its boarding on the ridiculous. We had a mod have to come in to defend and be apologetic for you as an excuse yesterday from the bashing you were getting for your inane judgements on PES11 as if you already played the game.That should tell you to take a break. I wouldnt mind if you had something new to contribute to each thread but its the same standard tripe each time whether its you babbling on about, fifa, fanboys,10 minute mode, 20 minute concept,, WENB,eploiting things because everything is flawed, I mean dont you get it outside much? Is that why your so bitter and angry? If you spent as much time as you do sitting on your bum complaining about everything wrong with videogames you could dedicate that time doing a course in computer game engineering and then actually become useful.

Personally I feel konami are going in the right direction as they clearly taken on board the criticism from last year especially the problem with the ping-pong passing and replacing it with manual power bar passing. Aswell as taking out AI assistence when defending and it seems you wont get super human stamina players because of the new meters in place. I had a lot of issues with 2010 but from the news and reviews it looks as if those issues are being worked on and thats a positive and something to look forward to even if the game doesnt turn out to be perfect, it can still be a solid footballing experience.

 

[shaun7]

Yeah,

But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,

Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,

I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,

To be fair, in fifa you cannot dribble all the way even if you master the tricks. So it's not that broken. Yeah, it doesn't have individuality, but it's not completely broken. You just cannot make messi not do these moves. Anyway I agree that we have to play it before we judge it. So let's wait.

 

[Amateur]

To be fair, in fifa you cannot dribble all the way even if you master the tricks. So it's not that broken. Yeah, it doesn't have individuality, but it's not completely broken. You just cannot make messi not do these moves. Anyway I agree that we have to play it before we judge it. So let's wait.

I still stand by my points until proven otherwise; however, I must take a step back and take a look at a very interesting bit of info:

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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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If Konami can make it a fair battle between -- attacker vs defender -- then PES 2011 could actually copy some aspects of FIFA whilst at the same time coming up with something ORIGINAL,

With both PES 2010 and FIFA10 -- defending is way too minimalistic, there’s no difference at all between marking the space and marking the player; if Konami can add new elements to defensive play, then it could be something great,

We will have to wait and see how the defensive side of the game works, hopefully we'll see a trailer later on, explaining the new defensive system,

 

[shankly is god]

^^ ok my bad amateur i didnt read you were a pes fan, but in my defence you were speaking as if you bummed fifa! so that why i stated you were one!! im sorry!

but having said that i agree there will always be debates etc but again being negative about a very early trailer is silly!

I also have a few issues about the trailer as stated before but im hoping that they will rectify them and quietly confident!!

 

[shaun7]

I still stand by my points until proven otherwise; however, I must take a step back and take a look at a very interesting bit of info:

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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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If Konami can make it a fair battle between -- attacker vs defender -- then PES 2011 could actually copy some aspects of FIFA whilst at the same time coming up with something ORIGINAL,

With both PES 2010 and FIFA10 -- defending is way too minimalistic, there’s no difference at all between marking the space and marking the player; if Konami can add new elements to defensive play, then it could be something great,

We will have to wait and see how the defensive side of the game works, hopefully we'll see a trailer later on, explaining the new defensive system,

I have to agree with that. However I was talking about dribbling and moves in fifa. But that is a good point.

 

[Amateur]

I have to agree with that. However I was talking about dribbling and moves in fifa. But that is a good point.

Yeah but that's precisely my point,

For example, in FIFA09 -- once you mastered the right analogue dribbling tricks you could dribble past anyone, giving the game a very arcade feel,

EA Sports somewhat rectified this with FIFA10 -- but -- the problem still is,

Both FIFA09 and FIFA10 are BOOORING and excessively minimalistic in terms of defensive play; and fact of the matter is that whenever you are dribbling -- your opponent will be marking you,

So all the right analogue dribbling tricks that the attacker has -- there must be a defensive equivalent for that, the game must be fun when you have the ball and when you don't have the ball,

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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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Judging by the sound of it, it looks like that's what Konami is going for: "the ball carrier versus the defender"

Dribbling and Defending go hand-in-hand, it would make no sense to improve dribbling tricks without improving the defensive side of the game,

And when I saw that trailer, well, the dribbling tricks are a bit too over-the-top for my taste; it is very similar to FIFA... but unlike FIFA, it seems as though Konami wants to go down a more realistic route,

The key flaw in all PES games to date, is the fact that there is no difference between marking the space and marking the player: this is why scoring goals is so easy... by finally rectifying this long-standing flaw, Konami would effectively re-invent themselves; if done correctly and realistically,

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Defence, Seabass notes, "has changed massively". Using the dash button to close down and press the player with the ball has been replaced by a three-pronged system using the X button (it's all PS3 in Japan) and directional input.
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As far as I'm concerned, the new defensive system will determine how good PES 2011 will be; hopefully we'll see a trailer detailing the differences between the old defensive system and the new defensive system that we currently know nothing about,

I hope Konami achieves what they want, as it sounds like something different and yet loyal to the original PES Concept,