Overall I'm Dissaponited wit PES 5!!

[RedBlooded]

And heres why:

* The crowd glitch is a step back from PES 4. No argument there surely?

It's not a glitch - they removed crowd to eliminate slowdown.

* The now proclamied weather glitch is a massive set back from PES 4. It has been now confirmed (on another site by Konami that they forgot to include the various weather conditions for ML). Ever noticed the weather is always fine in ML? ... Well that's why, and I don't reckon thats good enough. In PES 4 I was a much worse player in the rain, could never string fluid passes together and my speed was nullified, which in turn would make me select a much different run on squad and formation. Now that's been taken away from me (and everyone else) in PES 5. NOT happy! Again you can't argue with that can you?

Agree with that one. You have to play a totally different game in the rain, and that element (har har) has now gone.

* The Attacking AI is pretty poor. Not enough goals from the COM in general play. The COM's defense and midfield build up are superb, but the attack and finishing is woeful. Not enough chances and definitely not clinical enough when they finally do break you down. And when I (the USER) have the ball, forwards are meant to run, and create space and chances. You can have Owen and Ronaldo up front and there's not much difference (off the ball I'm talking) then having Harewood and Aliadiere ... The forwards are stagnant and simply put; they do too much ball watching. I understand some people will agree and others disagree with that one.

I think it's better in some ways and worse in some ways than old games. The computer is infinitely better at the back than upfront, which is pretty ridiculous in itself. However, I do think there's more variety in the scoring and it's generally not as easy as before. Also, my players seem to make the runs I want...what's difficult is when they defend so deep it's impossible to cut through the middle.

* Passing and lobbed thru balls and lobbed balls should be about 30-40% more accurate than the current system. Too many go out or are easy fodder for the keeper. There should be more open spaces to break thru in, by players (forwards?) taking advantage of their pace and hitting holes. Again it falls back onto the attacking AI.

Agree to an extent - high passes are still fairly useless. I don't agree with the pace criticism some people have made! I think it makes the world of difference if you have a player with 85 top speed running against one with 75...only difference is now you can't just fly past defenders, becuase they'll stick a foot in or drag you back.

* General ML options and running. The management side of things hasn't been improved in year of working on PES. That's dissapointing. I'm playing ML, how hard would it be to have a cup within the ML where division one and two take part in it? Not Very, surely? Why does the COM never offer to loan my players? And why are loans so expensive to obtain from the COM, especially from stacked teams which will never ever get a chance to give the player any time on the pitch? Not a major issue, but if Konami can improve one area without too much effort, its the ML.

Agree. I love Master League, but it's too hard to sell players and the loan system is terrible. Also, the D1 or D2 Cup is exactly the same as League games - I'd LOVE to play against teams from another division, just for variety!

* And lastly the Crowd/ stadium atmosphere is appalling. Leading Divison 1 playing against number 2 and its the second last game of the season. The whole season will be decided in this one match and only a handful of people turn out to see the game? WTF?? Terrible effort Konami. In general theres no noise, atmosphere from the stands when something huge happens, let alone all the littler things in a game. Big big letdown.

Agreed. The atmosphere is TERRIBLE.

However, I adore this game. It's absolutely fantastic, I can't stop playing it. It has its bad points but for me, the good outweigh the bad every single time.

Hope I've been fair in this ^


Edit: One more thing: I LOVE the way they've finally nailed player stats - you can now have a slow player playing extremely well, or a fast player being poor. In all the previous versions pace was the most important thing. If you had a lightning quick team, you'd win every time. Now, the slower players who can sit back and pick a pass, or have belting long shots are just as important...target men are finally useful (occasionally) and defenders can be unbeatable even if their top speed is 70.

 

[wrigh2uk]

^ tru its not a glitch but it still suxs that sacrafise had to be made because its a major part of football..

 

[80'z Man]

If i pay money for ANYTHING then i can critcise what the hell i want and play the game for endless hours...

Get Off konamis dick...

The crowd thing is poor regardless of reasons
Atmosphere Sucks

I said alot of what you said is true wether i agreee is another subject my simple minded friend

soo please read more carefully into word instead of assuming

Assuming? I quoted what you said about another users post. That user stated he/she was dissapointed overall with PES5 and you stated that you agreed with him/her, did you not?

Simple minded??? hmm... this coming from somebody who is not able of spelling 'simple' words like criticise, whether, or agree.

 

[David P]

Braithsea could you please post the link for this Konami website where they stated that they had forgotten to add weather change to master league.

It would help

 

[David P]

Another thing how is it that im only 5 games in and my first two games the sun was splitting the trees and the next three my players had gloves on long sleeves and i could see thier breath when it got close in.

To me that is weather change is it not?

From sun to cold yes i think i would call that weather change

 

[Dragonfly]

I think Konami probably made this game slightly weaker tham PES4 on purpose, so that when PES6 comes out with the improvements (that were already in PES4) we will think PES6 is the greatest football game ever.

 

[w1nky]

PES5 is certainly a funny one , I'm finding myself agreeing with the criticism and the praise .... there is certainly a shed load of improvement to available for this game and I'm hoping that we can closer to a more complete game with PES6 ... having said that PES5 is not only the best footy game out there by a mile it's also one of the best games on any console...

 

[braithsea]

http://www.pesfan.com/bulletin/index.php is the link...

You'll find the post in the general section. I tried looking for it again but theres so many posts to go over.

Yes people, maybe 'dissapointed' might be to harsh of a word to use. My expectation level was pretty high for PES 5, and when they made these little mistakes here and there it took the polish off the overall game for me.

80'Z MAN ... Sharing my thoughts and opinions is harldy slagging off the game. Its not about asking for a refund, so stop being a defensive twat, who arcs up everytime somebody has an opinion that differs from your own.

How do you know I play it hours on end?

Fact is, (and this is the very reason I posted) I can't get into my ML career, knowing with my defualt West Ham team I'll get a clean sheet 3 from 4 games, in fine weather with no crowd to recognise my achievements if I ever win. I have, however been playing a lot of cups and friendlys with friends.

About the crowd, if I could hear them, and feel atmosphere, i would care little about not being able to see them.

If we never bring problems to light, we will never ever get solutions. That was the sole purpose of my post. If people can be constructive with their criticism, in the long run we will all be closer to getting the perfect game of PES football.

And although PES 5 is a fcuking good football game, you will agree, its not perfect out of the box, and some options and variations are a little under-done. These problems are preventing me from playing it hours on end, because since we got dealt the same graphics engine as PES 4, I had this wild idea that the game would be perfected in all these other departments.

 

[wrigh2uk]

Assuming? I quoted what you said about another users post. That user stated he/she was dissapointed overall with PES5 and you stated that you agreed with him/her, did you not?

Simple minded??? hmm... this coming from somebody who is not able of spelling 'simple' words like criticise, whether, or agree.

Its true snoop dogg was in a murder case

although i don't agree he should of been their

truth and opinion are 2 different things


good beeyyee P.S its the internet i can spell how i like

 

[80'z Man]

http://www.pesfan.com/bulletin/index.php is the link...

You'll find the post in the general section. I tried looking for it again but theres so many posts to go over.

Yes people, maybe 'dissapointed' might be to harsh of a word to use. My expectation level was pretty high for PES 5, and when they made these little mistakes here and there it took the polish off the overall game for me.

80'Z MAN ... Sharing my thoughts and opinions is harldy slagging off the game. Its not about asking for a refund, so stop being a defensive twat, who arcs up everytime somebody has an opinion that differs from your own.

How do you know I play it hours on end?

Fact is, (and this is the very reason I posted) I can't get into my ML career, knowing with my defualt West Ham team I'll get a clean sheet 3 from 4 games, in fine weather with no crowd to recognise my achievements if I ever win. I have, however been playing a lot of cups and friendlys with friends.

About the crowd, if I could hear them, and feel atmosphere, i would care little about not being able to see them.

If we never bring problems to light, we will never ever get solutions. That was the sole purpose of my post. If people can be constructive with their criticism, in the long run we will all be closer to getting the perfect game of PES football.

And although PES 5 is a fcuking good football game, you will agree, its not perfect out of the box, and some options and variations are a little under-done. These problems are preventing me from playing it hours on end, because since we got dealt the same graphics engine as PES 4, I had this wild idea that the game would be perfected in all these other departments.

Perhaps you need glasses? As I stated in my post "I DON'T OBJECT TO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM". And you are right in saying that you can only progress with criticism.

Maybe you should look up the word 'overall' in the dictionary. You stated that you are, and I quote, "overall dissapointed". And now you are saying in this latest post that it's a good game? 'Contradiction' is another word you should perhaps look up while you are looking for 'overall'.

Forgive me, it is painfully obvious you do not have any grasp of the English Language and that is perhaps where you are confused. If you are "overall dissapointed" with this game that means you are dis-satisfied with every aspect of the game since you used the word 'overall'.

I agree that PES5 is not perfect and there is room for improvement. I completely support your viewpoint in regards to the attacking AI.

What I do object to is someone making a post about being 'overall dissapointed' and then spend countless hours playing that same game. Maybe if you had titled the post 'room for improvement' there would be no confliction?

And don't go running your mouth off and typing bullsh*t on here. I didn't disrespect you in any way. I argued with what you said, yeah, but I didn't disrespect you by calling you anything. It's all good and well with people abusing one another on here, but I bet you same people don't go up to people on the street and abuse them - that's being a coward!!!

 

[80'z Man]

Its true snoop dogg was in a murder case

although i don't agree he should of been their

truth and opinion are 2 different things


good beeyyee P.S its the internet i can spell how i like

Please bear in mind, dick-nose, that this is a forum. There are possibly people from every corner on the globe that uses this forum.

In this forum we use the English language, yes? There could well be people in Australia or Scotland that will be using this site and these people will not be too familiair with 'ghetto chav scum' terminology.

 

[Tallulah Belle]

This is the 15th Thread about how crap PES is. Congrats to the moron who started yet another reason why the site is going down the crap. Whenever you search through the new posts now all you get is 'PES iz rubbish' or I hate my PES cos I cnt win boyee'. Heres a few things you need to know...

1. No-one gives a solitary crap if you don't like the game. Take it back if you want to cry about it that much.

2. 'Dick-nose' is about the worse insult ever and don't call wrighty that you twonk, he is conveying his opinion. If you don't like it, then just respect that people aren't going to think the same simple minded things as you. Also, by trying to insult peoples ability to play PES, you are insulting your own narrow-minded intellegance by thinking that that is a hard hitting insult.

3. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Stop posting threads about PES being crap. Get over it, get your money back and move on to building tree-houses, like people of your mental age should be doing

 

[80'z Man]

This is the 15th Thread about how crap PES is. Congrats to the moron who started yet another reason why the site is going down the crap. Whenever you search through the new posts now all you get is 'PES iz rubbish' or I hate my PES cos I cnt win boyee'. Heres a few things you need to know...

1. No-one gives a solitary crap if you don't like the game. Take it back if you want to cry about it that much.

2. 'Dick-nose' is about the worse insult ever and don't call wrighty that you twonk, he is conveying his opinion. If you don't like it, then just respect that people aren't going to think the same simple minded things as you. Also, by trying to insult peoples ability to play PES, you are insulting your own narrow-minded intellegance by thinking that that is a hard hitting insult.

3. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Stop posting threads about PES being crap. Get over it, get your money back and move on to building tree-houses, like people of your mental age should be doing

This thread, based on morals, was brought you by someone who cannot spell English. ENGLISH, MAN, TYPE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. There is nothing wrong with healthy and constructive criticism. But that is only if the criticism is constructive. You can only progress by addressing your weaknesses and improving upon them.

2. Contradicting yourself, TWONK! First you state that nobody is entitled to voice their opinion and now you are having a go at me because I'm asking someone to refrain from posting baseless threads.

3. PES5 is not crap - far from it. But there is room for improvement.

Learn to spell and figure out what your point is before making a post, you DICK NOSE!!!

 

[Tallulah Belle]

Learn to spell and figure out what your point is before making a post, you DICK NOSE!!!

Where are the spelling mistakes? My point is simple, much like you are. You pretty much summed up your entire conversation just there by saying

'I'm asking someone to refrain from posting baseless threads.

Need I say more? I think you just can't read a higher standard of English than the SATS level. I'm going to cry now because you called me a Dick-nose.
What a loser.

 

[80'z Man]

Yes, a higher standard of English being unable to spell 'intelligence' and 'worst'?

Your point of this latest post is? Did you look up 'contradiction'?

 

[80'z Man]

Where are the spelling mistakes? My point is simple, much like you are.

It's obvious that you need lessons in grammar as well as spelling...

Oh dear, oh dear. Captain Marvel? You are not worthy of the name!

 

[Tallulah Belle]

Yes, a higher standard of English being unable to spell 'intelligence' and 'worst'?

Your point of this latest post is? Did you look up 'contradiction'?

Well, I will go and sit on the bad boy step then shall I? Why are you such a...oh wait, you can test my spelling on this,...... P-R-I-C-K?? How was that?

 

[80'z Man]

Very good. Did you have to look that up?

I'm quite astonished someone of your calibre (sorry, lack of) got that correct. Here's a few more for your reference...

Coward
Hypocrite
Neanderthall

Coward - As you can type whatever bullsh*t you want on here and abuse someone with the safe knowledge that we are not in the same room. It would be a completely different story if we were to see each other in the street. I bet you were one of those children (unless you are still in school now which, judging by your spelling, is probably the case) that used to hide behind the big guy and shout 'yeah, yeah' whenever there was a confrontation in the play ground but you would be nowhere to be seen if it ever came down to a one-on-one scrap.

Hypocrite - I refer to points 1 and 2 in your first post in this thread.

Neanderthall - As that is the best explanation for your competence and very possibly your overall presentation.

 

[Disco Pants]

Where's the bouncers in this Joint??

I think if you both have net play you should sort this out on there!! I bet right now the game will be stopped due to lack of players lol

 

[80'z Man]

Where's the bouncers in this Joint??

I think if you both have net play you should sort this out on there!! I bet right now the game will be stopped due to lack of players lol

he he... I like your style.

I don't intend to disrespect anyone on here. This is a forum that has been set up to benefit all the lovers of PES and hopefully the guys at Konami will read some of this feedback and address the issues to improve the game.

But it's hard not to respond to idiots making baseless posts, practising in hypocrisy and contradiction.

As I said before I don't want to offend anyone on here and I never start the beef - you can read my previous posts to clarify this. But when you got some cat calling you this that and the other it's hard not to respond.