Overrated players: Martins!!!

[probe907]

I find the ratings quite accurate. Only issue is that some players' ratings seem to be stuck at values representative of the peaks of those players' careers... As you say about Martins and Adriano... But who cares. The Bayern wingers are great players, they've been doing well in the Bundesliga, the CL, and the WC in recent years, they are that good.

 

[Sminky]

he is overrated
i can't believe that messi's shot power is 80. it was 85. not fair at all
Marchisio's rating is 88 while lavezzi, tevez, van persie, cavani, hamsik, hulk, cassano, boateng are lower than him!!??

The overall ratings are specific to their positions as opposed to index of all players compared against each other. Marchisio has an overall of 88 specific to central midfield whereas the others you have mentioned are ostensibly attacking players. In this regard, I have no issue the rating system.

Re: Handanovic, he's a young talented goalkeeper and whoever did the research on him clearly feels he is as good a goalkeeper in Italy. I don't think its so far fetched for him to have 92 overall.

 

[benficafan]

That is still better than the oleaginous figure of Cristiano Ronaldo. The boy was utterly useless against Northern Ireland and ever fails to produce in a Portuguese shirt when it matters most.

In terms of ability, their ratings are warranted and certainly deserved, as I said before though - it ought to be tempered by other currently uncoded factors.

Euro 04,WC 06,Euro 08 were tournaments Ronaldo did great in and he didn't have to score loads,quite frankly it was before he was the player he is now.2010 not so much, and 2012 he wasn't bad he just couldn't score. Scoring shouldn't dictate completely on how a player performs

And so what if Portugal didn't beat Northern Ireland, if you seen the past 15 or so fixtures, we generally have a harder time against them. We don't often win and they've beaten us a couple times as well. It happens

 

[Sabatasso]

I don't think Ribery is overrated, in the Bundeliga he is often a cut above, and so to in European games. You could argue by definition of international displays that Cristiano Ronaldo is overrated.

Ribéry got 88 Attack, 91 Dribble Acc, 87 Ball Control, 94 Dribble Speed, 88 Explosive Power, 85 Body Balance and 74 Mentality.

Dribble Acc and Speed and Top Speed;
Ribery dribbles by pushing and forcing the opponent off balance, and he is agressive and persistent as hell when he's on the ball, 84 should be enough. Having 85 TS and 91 DS makes him quite fast on the ball and I can't really object to that setting. If TS goes up, DS needs to go down.

Ball Control;
He is not especially gifted with the ball, his main problem against good teams is that he touches the ball too far too often, 82 should be enough.

Balance and Mentality;
He falls easily very often, and 85 Balance is too much, either that or he's a huge faker. He could arguably have more mentality as he, as mentioned, is persistent as hell when he's on or around the ball, but he also lose focus easily, and since mentality is a combined stat 74 might be alright.

All in all I think he is overrated, but having 5 form does count negatively, and I am not 100% sure how Konami balance form vs abilities anymore. Ribéry on top form is a beast, but generally he's nothing special. With my settings he is still a beast when on orange and red form.


Regarding Obafemi Martins, he is still a very fast player, I'd say 91 TS and 92-ish DS should be quite right, and 97 TS and 87 DS is very comparable to that setting when he's on the ball. He is only 27 years old, so he wasn't even professional 10 years ago like someone mentioned.

 

[oziz14]

if anyone's overrated its gareth bale...

No way man I don't agree with you on this...Bale is arguably the fastest footballer in the world.

 

[NeedHelp]

Ribéry got 88 Attack, 91 Dribble Acc, 87 Ball Control, 94 Dribble Speed, 88 Explosive Power, 85 Body Balance and 74 Mentality.

Dribble Acc and Speed and Top Speed;
Ribery dribbles by pushing and forcing the opponent off balance, and he is agressive and persistent as hell when he's on the ball, 84 should be enough. Having 85 TS and 91 DS makes him quite fast on the ball and I can't really object to that setting. If TS goes up, DS needs to go down.

Ball Control;
He is not especially gifted with the ball, his main problem against good teams is that he touches the ball too far too often, 82 should be enough.

Balance and Mentality;
He falls easily very often, and 85 Balance is too much, either that or he's a huge faker. He could arguably have more mentality as he, as mentioned, is persistent as hell when he's on or around the ball, but he also lose focus easily, and since mentality is a combined stat 74 might be alright.

All in all I think he is overrated, but having 5 form does count negatively, and I am not 100% sure how Konami balance form vs abilities anymore. Ribéry on top form is a beast, but generally he's nothing special. With my settings he is still a beast when on orange and red form.


Regarding Obafemi Martins, he is still a very fast player, I'd say 91 TS and 92-ish DS should be quite right, and 97 TS and 87 DS is very comparable to that setting when he's on the ball. He is only 27 years old, so he wasn't even professional 10 years ago like someone mentioned.

Sorry to say it, but either you don't know Ribery at all or you don't have any clue about football. Possibly both.

Ribery is the 2nd best winger in the world and you're saying that he's nothing special.:no:

 

[Sabatasso]

He has never been good in those matches I've seen. Perhaps 15-20, give or take. That can't be coincidental, but I've seen clips where he is good. It's you who have no clue, if you rate players by they best, regardless of how often or rare they are in that shape.

 

[NeedHelp]

He has never been good in those matches I've seen. Perhaps 15-20, give or take. That can't be coincidental, but I've seen clips where he is good. It's you who have no clue, if you rate players by they best, regardless of how often or rare they are in that shape.

Ribery has been in that form for well over a year now. He had major injury problems the 2 years before that.

 

[Sminky]

Euro 04,WC 06,Euro 08 were tournaments Ronaldo did great in and he didn't have to score loads,quite frankly it was before he was the player he is now.2010 not so much, and 2012 he wasn't bad he just couldn't score. Scoring shouldn't dictate completely on how a player performs

And so what if Portugal didn't beat Northern Ireland, if you seen the past 15 or so fixtures, we generally have a harder time against them. We don't often win and they've beaten us a couple times as well. It happens

My point - although this is completely deviating from the point of the thread now - wasn't that I thought Ronaldo was overrated for not scoring a lot of goals at international level, its because he is a notorious bottler on the big stage. That Portugal struggled against Northern Ireland with the players at their disposal should be a source of embarrassment but getting this back on track, it is a stat that could be included for players and teams, the 'bottle' factor, more eloquently perhaps it could be called 'composure under pressure/expectation'?

Ribery has been in that form for well over a year now. He had major injury problems the 2 years before that.

I wouldn't say Ribery is overrated either, his stats are well merited. I think 'composure under pressure/expectation' stat would apply to him, certainly in a French shirt but then like Portugal they have been a bit of a shambles for a while now.

 

[NeedHelp]

Ribery was also the best French player lately, including the EC.

 

[Sminky]

Ribery was also the best French player lately, including the EC.

I tend to disagree, it was the right back Debuchy. A player underrated on this game.

 

[NeedHelp]

I tend to disagree, it was the right back Debuchy. A player underrated on this game.

Debuchy surprised me as well. The expectations towards both players are completely different though. That unconsciously affects one's judgement, not to mention that it's hard to compare the performance of a WB with the performance of an attacking winger. Although I get where you're coming from since they're both French.

 

[Marcus Wright]

I dont think Messi deserves a 99 shot accuracy, he is accurate shooter, but not the most accurate one in history for sure.

 

[oziz14]

I dont think Messi deserves a 99 shot accuracy, he is accurate shooter, but not the most accurate one in history for sure.

Yeah you are right coz Messi deserves 100 shot accuracy :crynaldo:

I also think Ribery is NOT overrated in PES...at least he inspires Bayern, unlike Robben who is just sooooo good in PES

I also cannot understand how Arshavin is a speed merchant and Walcott is not...even though I like Arsha more.

 

[JohnSound]

Bayern Munich deserve credit!

Forgive me if I cause offence, but I'm guessing that most of the people who think that Robben & Ribery are overrated don't watch much football outside of the English Premier League and Barca-Real. Bayern Munich and the Bundesliga on the whole are underrated by most people in Britain. When they're on top of their game, and fit, Robben & Ribery are almost unplayable & Bayern are an awesome team. Mario Gomez is criminally underrated in PES, only Ronaldo & Messi scored more than him last season, Gomez should be deadly in PES.

Somebody said Handanovic of Inter was overrated. Really? I suppose you think Joe Hart is the best keeper in the world? Udinese came 3rd last year AFTER selling Alexis Sanchez & other key players, largely thanks to Handanovic and his 17 clean sheets, same as Hart but with a much weaker team. Open your eyes people, get yourself an ESPN subscription, there's some great football out there!

 

[ytfc_fezzy77]

I think the whole thing gives rise to an interesting debate... and for personalism people can edit people to be exactly how good they want them to be... can they not? for instance I know last pes 2012 Frank Lampard or someone similar didnt have the long ranger card so I gave it to him... and it is these little tweaks that make the game more realisitc against the CPU.

Obviously we cannot do much about online play...

 

[kn23m]

Forgive me if I cause offence, but I'm guessing that most of the people who think that Robben & Ribery are overrated don't watch much football outside of the English Premier League and Barca-Real. Bayern Munich and the Bundesliga on the whole are underrated by most people in Britain. When they're on top of their game, and fit, Robben & Ribery are almost unplayable & Bayern are an awesome team. Mario Gomez is criminally underrated in PES, only Ronaldo & Messi scored more than him last season, Gomez should be deadly in PES.

Bla-bla-bla and they can't beat even a BATE!!

 

[JohnSound]

Credit where credit's due

Bla-bla-bla and they can't beat even a BATE!!

Credit to BATE, they've had a brilliant start. It's great to see the Champions League wealth being spread to some of the so called smaller nations, it's no fun when it's the same teams winning every year

 

[Bunk]

My point - although this is completely deviating from the point of the thread now - wasn't that I thought Ronaldo was overrated for not scoring a lot of goals at international level, its because he is a notorious bottler on the big stage. That Portugal struggled against Northern Ireland with the players at their disposal should be a source of embarrassment but getting this back on track, it is a stat that could be included for players and teams, the 'bottle' factor, more eloquently perhaps it could be called 'composure under pressure/expectation'?



I wouldn't say Ribery is overrated either, his stats are well merited. I think 'composure under pressure/expectation' stat would apply to him, certainly in a French shirt but then like Portugal they have been a bit of a shambles for a while now.

Isn't that stat you're after effectively covered by the 'Tenacity' rating next to 'teamwork'?

 

[NeedHelp]

Bla-bla-bla and they can't beat even a BATE!!

Keep your stupidity to yourself if possible.