Pes 09 Favourite Trick!

[iamcanadianeh]

Can you give me one good reason as to WHY after nearly a decade the PES series is still using the same exact set of Stats and Special Abilities??

I would really like to hear about that, how is it that in nearly 10 years they have not "evolved" in that respect.

In the last four versions of the game there have been few if any changes, but prior to that there were many added stats. I get your point, but personally, I think that part of the game is fine, and that adding more stats isn't going to radically change the game.

Adding more animations of course for all sorts of players would be great, no doubt. But do we seriously think that Seabass is saying "no, I don't want that, I'm too busy eating Ramen and I want to save more money so I can buy a Ferrari." :erm:???

My belief is that it's all about priorities, and this year BAL was a major one which sucked a lot of time away from other priorities. Me, for one... I'm glad. I play tonnes of BAL and I think that if Konami had failed to release a game with BAL in it this year, but spent that time on roulette animations, then there would be more fans unhappy about things. BTW - Let's leave Fifa out of this discussion and focus on PES. Those arguments about sales figures, etc. are old, and personally I don't agree with them. Sales isn't always reflective of anything other than hype, marketing etc. I love the game, and that's all that matters to me, not how many other people buy copies of it. Again though, let's stick to the topic - moves.

Any other ideas for moves that are good or bad, need to be fixed? I think it's an interesting topic, mostly because it's specific, not a place for general comments about the game, and I'm sorry that I once again got dragged into that never-ending debate.

Personally, I still think the diagonal cut move, which has been merged with the fake shot is the biggest problem with this years game, and that all stems, IMO, from the convergence to the D pad for special moves. Anyone use the "Cruyff turn"?

 

[MysteryMan]

In the last four versions of the game there have been few if any changes, but prior to that there were many added stats. I get your point, but personally, I think that part of the game is fine, and that adding more stats isn't going to radically change the game.

Adding more animations of course for all sorts of players would be great, no doubt. But do we seriously think that Seabass is saying "no, I don't want that, I'm too busy eating Ramen and I want to save more money so I can buy a Ferrari." :erm:???

My belief is that it's all about priorities, and this year BAL was a major one which sucked a lot of time away from other priorities. Me, for one... I'm glad. I play tonnes of BAL and I think that if Konami had failed to release a game with BAL in it this year, but spent that time on roulette animations, then there would be more fans unhappy about things. BTW - Let's leave Fifa out of this discussion and focus on PES. Those arguments about sales figures, etc. are old, and personally I don't agree with them. Sales isn't always reflective of anything other than hype, marketing etc. I love the game, and that's all that matters to me, not how many other people buy copies of it. Again though, let's stick to the topic - moves.

Any other ideas for moves that are good or bad, need to be fixed? I think it's an interesting topic, mostly because it's specific, not a place for general comments about the game, and I'm sorry that I once again got dragged into that never-ending debate.

Personally, I still think the diagonal cut move, which has been merged with the fake shot is the biggest problem with this years game, and that all stems, IMO, from the convergence to the D pad for special moves. Anyone use the "Cruyff turn"?

So if they focused solely on BAL how would you comment the almost funny AI especially on your own team when your defenders keep running towards the opponents straight to them and losing the ball , to the goalkeeper getting some completely impossible goals , to the aerial battles that are 90% won by the AI all the time , I think thats the biggest flaw in PES atm , then there are other minor things that all of the people keep talking about.

 

[Amateur]

In the last four versions of the game there have been few if any changes, but prior to that there were many added stats. I get your point, but personally, I think that part of the game is fine, and that adding more stats isn't going to radically change the game.

Adding more animations of course for all sorts of players would be great, no doubt. But do we seriously think that Seabass is saying "no, I don't want that, I'm too busy eating Ramen and I want to save more money so I can buy a Ferrari." :erm:???

My belief is that it's all about priorities, and this year BAL was a major one which sucked a lot of time away from other priorities. Me, for one... I'm glad. I play tonnes of BAL and I think that if Konami had failed to release a game with BAL in it this year, but spent that time on roulette animations, then there would be more fans unhappy about things. BTW - Let's leave Fifa out of this discussion and focus on PES. Those arguments about sales figures, etc. are old, and personally I don't agree with them. Sales isn't always reflective of anything other than hype, marketing etc. I love the game, and that's all that matters to me, not how many other people buy copies of it. Again though, let's stick to the topic - moves.

Any other ideas for moves that are good or bad, need to be fixed? I think it's an interesting topic, mostly because it's specific, not a place for general comments about the game, and I'm sorry that I once again got dragged into that never-ending debate.

Personally, I still think the diagonal cut move, which has been merged with the fake shot is the biggest problem with this years game, and that all stems, IMO, from the convergence to the D pad for special moves. Anyone use the "Cruyff turn"?

I respect your opinion, but I only agree with the part about "more animations of course for all sorts of players would be great, no doubt".

As for the Ball mode, not only does it suck big time, but also it didn't allowed the effort that was required on The Classic Gameplay. Which was That thing that made PES great.

Had Konami prioritized properly, that is on The Classic Gameplay, fans would be much more satisfied with the game. Because at least you get One thing right, then you can go and do that Other thing.

You cannot expect to Run Properly if you didn't learned how to walk 1st. Trying to do Both at Once wasn't a good idea, Neither the BAL or Classic Play is good at this point. Both look, feel, and play very Out of Date.

Konami should have revolutionized The Classic Gameplay, build a better more serious "Foundation", and then take off from there.

Instead they gave us a game that is OLD in every aspect, Classic Play, BAL, everything.

As for the "Cruyff Turn" -- Cruyff could use it, you could create a player, name him "Cruyff" and then set a couple of "Special Animations" such as the "Cruyff Turn".

Another One that I would really appreciate would be the "Sole of the Foot" Dribbles that Riquelme uses. We barely have any "South American Style" Dribbling Animations in PES.

How do you explain players like Riquelme and Leo Messi doing Step-Overs??

Everyone dribbles the same way, the same tricks, the same one-dimensional stats, the same everything. It's just PLAIN and boring. Konami needs to speed up their evolution, I've been using the same exact dribbling tricks since PES5.

And to add insult to injury, not only has Konami not included Anything Significant into the game, but they have now made it excessively assisted by the COM.

At times my players do some tricks and I have no idea as to why they do them. Whenever the COM feels like it I guess.

And one last thing, for fucks sake, WHY doesn't Konami includes a STAT for "CUTTING THE BALL" ?? Everyone can "cut the ball" like Messi in PES09.

It would be cool if only players like Messi or Joaquin could Cut the ball with such speed and accuracy. But fuck, why do I see every player defying the laws of physics??

As a result PES09 doesn't haves any credibility as a "Simulation".. Which is why most people describe it as an "Arcade" game.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

So if they focused solely on BAL how would you comment the almost funny AI especially on your own team when your defenders keep running towards the opponents straight to them and losing the ball , to the goalkeeper getting some completely impossible goals , to the aerial battles that are 90% won by the AI all the time , I think thats the biggest flaw in PES atm , then there are other minor things that all of the people keep talking about.

Not sure I understand how you think I disagree with those things being a problem, or what this has to do with BAL, let alone what it has to do with favourite moves... I do totally agree about the headers though. It seems more to me like when a player wins a header it is actually more likely to go directly to the other team than it is to go to a player on the team who won the header (or at least 50/50). Again, though, this is a thread about MOVES. If we can't keep to discussing favourite moves and maybe ideas for new moves or fav moves from previous versions, then I'll just have to stop responding. It's not my thread and I'm not a moderator, but I feel like it's almost impossible to keep the discussion on track. I know I don't help, by getting caught up in these debates though. :happy:

 

[Luis_Garcia]

All in all, Konami: take some time out, spend time getting LOADS of new animations, add in a few skills, whack it onto the right stick, forget about being similar to fifa in that respect, as you can make it so the skills actually WORK and can be used in the game. Canadian, although you said it takes a while, so what? They should take a while. And come out with a stormer of a game.

 

[Amateur]

All in all, Konami: take some time out, spend time getting LOADS of new animations, add in a few skills, whack it onto the right stick, forget about being similar to fifa in that respect, as you can make it so the skills actually WORK and can be used in the game. Canadian, although you said it takes a while, so what? They should take a while. And come out with a stormer of a game.

Precisely my point..

I'd rather wait three years for a good Next Gen effort.. rather than buying Yearly Updates that in all honestly are NOT leading anywhere.

Good Profit for Konami though.

 

[Luis_Garcia]

Tis a consumers world though mate, so Konami will indeed release a new PES in October, as they need the money, and cannot afford to wait a few years and perfect it.

Personally I would be happy with just another update in October, while they continue to make a brilliant game and take their time. but that won't happen

 

[quade1337]

a better explanation would be to move the dpad 45 degrees before pressing X

 

[mrgametight]

i hate how your created players are not able to do ANY moves thats my gripe with the trick system. I made myself and I cant even do a roulette I mean flip flap sure i understand but your saying even if i make my dribble attiributes 99 i cant do a stinking roulette? that sucks

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Technique, I believe, needs to be above 80 to pull off the roulette, and dribble accuracy about 85. I could easily be wrong, but I know it's at least partially linked with technique.

 

[mrgametight]

right but its a created player and i made my guys super human lol and nothing

 

[Amateur]

Technique, I believe, needs to be above 80 to pull off the roulette, and dribble accuracy about 85. I could easily be wrong, but I know it's at least partially linked with technique.

It haves nothing to do with that, I have a lot of players who have all the Dribbling Stats above 90 and yet they cannot do the Roulette.

I really don't know why Konami just doesn't makes an individual list for animations, like a "Special Animations" list. This way we could decide who can or can't do a Roulette or whatever.

But I really don't appreciate that only a few players within the game can do the roulette or flick the ball.

I don't remember ever seeing Messi or Tevez doing a Roulette, or a Step Over.

 

[nick_matthew]

those are the only 3 tricks i can do!
how do you do the trick where you flick the ball over your opponents head?

when attacking right for example when your are on the wing flick left then right quickly and your player will flick the ball up.

Check the skills tutorials on youtube

 

[iamcanadianeh]

It haves nothing to do with that, I have a lot of players who have all the Dribbling Stats above 90 and yet they cannot do the Roulette.

I really don't know why Konami just doesn't makes an individual list for animations, like a "Special Animations" list. This way we could decide who can or can't do a Roulette or whatever.

But I really don't appreciate that only a few players within the game can do the roulette or flick the ball.

I don't remember ever seeing Messi or Tevez doing a Roulette, or a Step Over.

I'm pretty sure the info is somewhere in the forums. I thought it was technique... Anyway, my BAL player couldn't do a roulette until I think my technique went above 80 and my dribble accuracy above 85. I'll see if I can find the answer.

 

[mrgametight]

I'm pretty sure the info is somewhere in the forums. I thought it was technique... Anyway, my BAL player couldn't do a roulette until I think my technique went above 80 and my dribble accuracy above 85. I'll see if I can find the answer.

oh for BAL that may be possible...im talking just created players in use in master league though...

 

[Amateur]

I'm pretty sure the info is somewhere in the forums. I thought it was technique... Anyway, my BAL player couldn't do a roulette until I think my technique went above 80 and my dribble accuracy above 85. I'll see if I can find the answer.

Cool...

But I'm pretty sure that Technique has nothing to do with it. I know that because I edited players like Pele and Johan Cruijff, Dribbling and Technique Stats above 90, and still no Roulettes or Flicks.

It seems that only a "chosen" few can execute the "Tevez Roulette" and such tricks.

Wouldn't it be cool to have an Individual Stat for "Roulette" ??

 

[iamcanadianeh]

It might be different for BAL. Someone with the piggyback guide for 09 would probably know, but I haven't been able to get it. Maybe it simply doesn't appear as a stat-based skill with created players, in which case, cool or not, your arguement for having it as a separate stat makes a lot of sense.

 

[KingThommy]

Cool...

But I'm pretty sure that Technique has nothing to do with it. I know that because I edited players like Pele and Johan Cruijff, Dribbling and Technique Stats above 90, and still no Roulettes or Flicks.

It seems that only a "chosen" few can execute the "Tevez Roulette" and such tricks.

Wouldn't it be cool to have an Individual Stat for "Roulette" ??

I was playing a match the other night with japan to win the Asia cup to unlock the players and Nakamura does that "tevez roulette" trick also thought it was pretty randon cos i cant do the trick with anybody else

 

[iamcanadianeh]

I checked my PES 6 piggyback guide. For PES 6, the roulette is, according to them, determined by Technique, Dribble Accuracy and Dribble Speed. It seems to have changed for 09. It used to be that if a player's technique wasn't high enough that if he tried it he would flub the ball. That's where I got the idea that it's mostly based on technique, and they specifically mention that as being the key stat for pulling it off in the guide (for PES 6). Now, they've just made it so that only certain players can do it. Still not sure what a player needs in order to have it, but I'll do some play testing on the weekend if I have time.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

To clarify - I double checked and the other attribute that affects the roulette in PES6 is Agility, not dribble speed.

Now, it seems clear to me that the real problem with the moves, including the roulette, in 09 is that every player does them when it comes to some moves, but not many can when it comes to others; and neither is right, in my opinion.

In PES6, a player needed a dribble acc of 90 to do the 90 degree turn. Now every player has it. Roulettes, too, used to be better because every player could attempt them, but only players with enough technique, dribble acc, and agility could pull them off. That was the way it should have stayed IMO, and all tricks should be like that - i.e. any player can try them, but only those with the right combination of stats can pull them off regularly. In general I'd like to see more failed dribbles in PES, and that would be a way of achieving that.

The 90 degree turn, also, should be a separate move that you do only when you want to (they could make it a fake shot combined with a 90 degree turn movement on the D pad, or some better way of making it intentional, not something every player does whether they want to or not when they turn 90 degrees).