I agree with the tackling and reffing etc. I hate it how it is now.
PES 2009 suggestions
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I agree with the tackling and reffing etc. I hate it how it is now.
che_don_john
Registered User
Online play could be drasically improved by simply not making it so buggering difficult to tackle any player with a market value of over £10million!
LarssonIsGhod
Registered User
i have always wanted to make a stadium on a football game
I coudn't agree more, i think that would be a fantastic idea. I would love to make a brand new stadium for my team
Many good ideas here. I'd like to add that set pieces suck in this game. I'd like to at least have different "set pieces" which I can choose by pressing a button before shooting. For example, have X player stay outside the box and then press a button to make him run to the 1st or 2nd post, or press another button to make the two attackers swap positions, etc. Just little things that can make the game a little less frustrating in this respect... I just hate when I get a corner kick and my tall striker is always going back to the edge of the area! Plus, you could actually PRACTICE set pieces this way!! Right now, player positioning is random.
I don't know whether to agree that the defensive system sucks. I think the problem lies in the fact that Ibrahimovic or any skillful player can run rings around your defense for 30 straight minutes. They've pushed it a bit too far this year. If they make the game less arcadey in that aspect, I think defending will improve.
I don't know whether to agree that the defensive system sucks. I think the problem lies in the fact that Ibrahimovic or any skillful player can run rings around your defense for 30 straight minutes. They've pushed it a bit too far this year. If they make the game less arcadey in that aspect, I think defending will improve.
First up like everyone I want to see more teams.
In the ISS series it was possible to hit in a cross and have your strikers throw themselves head, or foot first, to try and connect, now im lucky to have someone in the box.
Similarly when i play a through ball and the goaly comes out to collect, i want my striker to be able to stick out a leg to try and just catch the ball before the keeper scoops it up.
You know the best nights in real footy are when results are coming in from other grounds that have an effect on your game. I would like a wee popup on the screen telling you how the Group stands if all games were to finish with present results. So if your in relegation game battle with say Derby. You are playing Liverpool, you know you need to win, but also Derby have got to loose. So while your playing it comes up that Derby are 1-0 down. So you know that if you can get the lead and holdon to it and Derby cant get back in their game, your safe. Just like they do in Live footy. I hope im explaining that clearly, Im just not sure what to call it.
I also think there needs to be more control over development, this thing about training during preseason is pityfull, I want to buy young players and train them into better players during the season, before giving them first team footy. Or drop Xabi Alonso until he can actually run faster than a geriatric!!
On that note I think its about time that when I have developed a young player and his points all improve, i want to be able to come out of Master League and go in to International games and find my club players in the National team with the Master League improvements applied to their skill level. I had this guy called Scharwz in 2006 at club level, he was Italian but he never appeared in the Italy team.
On the subject of Internationals, why the hell do i loose club players in ML because they get International callups, have not Konami noticed we now have International weeks?!?!
I would like to see valuations rise on back of International callups.
There is nothing more soul destroying than playing the ML all season, qualifying for Europe and then finding 2 teams in your group come from the same domestic league as you. I usually go Rangers/Celtic in a British ML, so maybe they are seeded in Europe as Scottish and thats why i get dumped in a group with Man U and Blackburn. If thats the case fair enough, but its getting really annoying, I played Liverpool twice in Europe, twice in league, twice in cup, twice in other cup all in one season, four of those games came one after the other. I humped them every game and saw no evidence of this AI that learns my style.
And to finish, what at the end of the day is really one long and winded moan ;
I read that the programmers arent happy with PES2008, but didnt have time to do what they wanted. Well thats fine how about next time you spend less time on the following;
Music- seriously who cares??? I switch it off as soon as i first install the game.
Commentary- Until its half decent, its nothing more than a novelty for about 2/3 days, then its off.
Regulating condition- whats the point? Its completely random and has no skill requirements at all.
Next Match- for me the only thing i want to know, is how i faired against them the last time i played and that is not on this page.
Fans pictures- seriously, do i care if the shop is selling a new product? Im not getting the money so why tell me? And whats thats stupid dog about??!
Player popularity with fans- irrelevant. And since when did the fans know anything! I pick the team not them
On the subject of money, why is everything in Points? Why not money?
Why do i play top of the table clashes in front of half empty stadiums?
When Im negotiating with a player and first attempt is rebuked, how about a reason? Is it the transfer fee, the wages, the contract length?
Think that just about covers it for me. Thing is Ive played Konami soccer since it first came out as ISS and it was only National Teams, every new edition will add something new which is good, only for it to be forgotten the following year, sometimes its the one/two option sometimes its the ability to tackle without sliding in, sometimes it the strikers getting in and on the end of crosses.
I bet anything the one addition I like- the more succesful your team is the easier it gets to sign new players- will be missing next year.
Im going for a lie down now
In the ISS series it was possible to hit in a cross and have your strikers throw themselves head, or foot first, to try and connect, now im lucky to have someone in the box.
Similarly when i play a through ball and the goaly comes out to collect, i want my striker to be able to stick out a leg to try and just catch the ball before the keeper scoops it up.
You know the best nights in real footy are when results are coming in from other grounds that have an effect on your game. I would like a wee popup on the screen telling you how the Group stands if all games were to finish with present results. So if your in relegation game battle with say Derby. You are playing Liverpool, you know you need to win, but also Derby have got to loose. So while your playing it comes up that Derby are 1-0 down. So you know that if you can get the lead and holdon to it and Derby cant get back in their game, your safe. Just like they do in Live footy. I hope im explaining that clearly, Im just not sure what to call it.
I also think there needs to be more control over development, this thing about training during preseason is pityfull, I want to buy young players and train them into better players during the season, before giving them first team footy. Or drop Xabi Alonso until he can actually run faster than a geriatric!!
On that note I think its about time that when I have developed a young player and his points all improve, i want to be able to come out of Master League and go in to International games and find my club players in the National team with the Master League improvements applied to their skill level. I had this guy called Scharwz in 2006 at club level, he was Italian but he never appeared in the Italy team.
On the subject of Internationals, why the hell do i loose club players in ML because they get International callups, have not Konami noticed we now have International weeks?!?!
I would like to see valuations rise on back of International callups.
There is nothing more soul destroying than playing the ML all season, qualifying for Europe and then finding 2 teams in your group come from the same domestic league as you. I usually go Rangers/Celtic in a British ML, so maybe they are seeded in Europe as Scottish and thats why i get dumped in a group with Man U and Blackburn. If thats the case fair enough, but its getting really annoying, I played Liverpool twice in Europe, twice in league, twice in cup, twice in other cup all in one season, four of those games came one after the other. I humped them every game and saw no evidence of this AI that learns my style.
And to finish, what at the end of the day is really one long and winded moan
;I read that the programmers arent happy with PES2008, but didnt have time to do what they wanted. Well thats fine how about next time you spend less time on the following;
Music- seriously who cares??? I switch it off as soon as i first install the game.
Commentary- Until its half decent, its nothing more than a novelty for about 2/3 days, then its off.
Regulating condition- whats the point? Its completely random and has no skill requirements at all.
Next Match- for me the only thing i want to know, is how i faired against them the last time i played and that is not on this page.
Fans pictures- seriously, do i care if the shop is selling a new product? Im not getting the money so why tell me? And whats thats stupid dog about??!
Player popularity with fans- irrelevant. And since when did the fans know anything! I pick the team not them
On the subject of money, why is everything in Points? Why not money?
Why do i play top of the table clashes in front of half empty stadiums?
When Im negotiating with a player and first attempt is rebuked, how about a reason? Is it the transfer fee, the wages, the contract length?
Think that just about covers it for me. Thing is Ive played Konami soccer since it first came out as ISS and it was only National Teams, every new edition will add something new which is good, only for it to be forgotten the following year, sometimes its the one/two option sometimes its the ability to tackle without sliding in, sometimes it the strikers getting in and on the end of crosses.
I bet anything the one addition I like- the more succesful your team is the easier it gets to sign new players- will be missing next year.
Im going for a lie down now
LarssonIsGhod
Registered User
just like in Fifa, i like your thinking Rocky.
thanks
the_beauty
Registered User
* i think they need to completely overhaul the passing system.. i've lost track of the number of times the ball has went to the computer, or to the wrong man or an empty part of the grass - i not only want to see an improved system whereby the player you want to pass to is blindingly obvious but i also want to be able to choose how hard i want to hit my pass.. i really am tired of trying to pass to players an the computer intercepting because its so slow. Passing speed is not a real stat - a player passes the ball how hard he needs/wants to, you are not pre-determined how hard you can pass a ball, shot power should cover maximum pass power but a 10 yrd pass should not be affected by any of this.. basically i want full control over my passing.
*The AI. I personally think they've really got it wrong this year. Instead of a fair contest it seems Konami has resorted to the oldesttrick in the ook by uping all the AI teams players it controls stats. When Wiagn Athletic are knocking the ball around like arsenal you know there's a problem.
*Defending. I think the system they have right now isn't so bad, i like the idea of timing a tackle.. if they made the AI opposition more realistic (rather than a team of ronaldinho's) then it would be perfect. However i have noticed that my players regularily leave opposition strikers unmarked in the box when it is blindingly obvious who there gonna pass it to. My other big big big problem is the headign system. No matter what i do i cannot defend against the COMs headers. Its impossible. I am now on a 11 game run where-by the cimputer has scored a header from a corner in every one of these games.. andi am playing with hyypia and carragher at the back - hardly the worst defense pairing in the world. The heading system needs to be made fairer.. at the moment it just feels like the AI is cheating me rather than playing fair.
*Licesnes - i personally couldn't give a monkeys.. but these are a big draw for casual gamers. If Konami wants to see more they need more licenses, more teams, more real players etc etc etc personally i liked the days of Allejo playing up front for Brazil.
*Master League - they need to overaul this and somehow combine the League mode with it to make for a more realistic experience. They need to overhaul all of the club based game modes to be fair because there just not good enough. And drop World Tour and bring back Scenario mode from the ISS days.. i loved scenario mode.
*Better stadium atmospheres an fans.. there is no way that Old Trafford is going to be half packed for a United - Liverpool game. And i want to see fans drawn more detailed.. it looks so unrealistic on PES 2008 its just horrible.
*Fierce rivalries - as someone mentioned it would be great to have a blood an guts match with your earest rival, they need to look at home to make the games more personally engaging because at the moment playing Chelsea or Everton or United is exactly the same as playing Birmingham, Wigan or Sunderland (my team is Liverpool by the way).
*Finally i want Konami to take there time to make a good game.. if there not happy with it then just wait longer, it will be wirth the wait i'm sure. At the moment i think Konami has lost a lot of its diehard fans with PES 2008,its a shame because they have made the best football games for the last decade easily but have now managed to alienate their own fans with the poorest game of there entire series.. they can make a fantastic game, i hope they take the time do to so.
apart from all this criticism i'm relatively happy
*The AI. I personally think they've really got it wrong this year. Instead of a fair contest it seems Konami has resorted to the oldesttrick in the ook by uping all the AI teams players it controls stats. When Wiagn Athletic are knocking the ball around like arsenal you know there's a problem.
*Defending. I think the system they have right now isn't so bad, i like the idea of timing a tackle.. if they made the AI opposition more realistic (rather than a team of ronaldinho's) then it would be perfect. However i have noticed that my players regularily leave opposition strikers unmarked in the box when it is blindingly obvious who there gonna pass it to. My other big big big problem is the headign system. No matter what i do i cannot defend against the COMs headers. Its impossible. I am now on a 11 game run where-by the cimputer has scored a header from a corner in every one of these games.. andi am playing with hyypia and carragher at the back - hardly the worst defense pairing in the world. The heading system needs to be made fairer.. at the moment it just feels like the AI is cheating me rather than playing fair.
*Licesnes - i personally couldn't give a monkeys.. but these are a big draw for casual gamers. If Konami wants to see more they need more licenses, more teams, more real players etc etc etc personally i liked the days of Allejo playing up front for Brazil.
*Master League - they need to overaul this and somehow combine the League mode with it to make for a more realistic experience. They need to overhaul all of the club based game modes to be fair because there just not good enough. And drop World Tour and bring back Scenario mode from the ISS days.. i loved scenario mode.
*Better stadium atmospheres an fans.. there is no way that Old Trafford is going to be half packed for a United - Liverpool game. And i want to see fans drawn more detailed.. it looks so unrealistic on PES 2008 its just horrible.
*Fierce rivalries - as someone mentioned it would be great to have a blood an guts match with your earest rival, they need to look at home to make the games more personally engaging because at the moment playing Chelsea or Everton or United is exactly the same as playing Birmingham, Wigan or Sunderland (my team is Liverpool by the way).
*Finally i want Konami to take there time to make a good game.. if there not happy with it then just wait longer, it will be wirth the wait i'm sure. At the moment i think Konami has lost a lot of its diehard fans with PES 2008,its a shame because they have made the best football games for the last decade easily but have now managed to alienate their own fans with the poorest game of there entire series.. they can make a fantastic game, i hope they take the time do to so.
apart from all this criticism i'm relatively happy
FrankGrimes
Registered User
On the xbox 360 its impossible not to score from corners. The AI defending is rubbish at times. And other times they are impossible to get past.
For the main part the defending by the AI is horrific and this is on top player. They score own goals for fun and I score 70% of my goals from headers. they cannot defend crosses!
For the main part the defending by the AI is horrific and this is on top player. They score own goals for fun and I score 70% of my goals from headers. they cannot defend crosses!
i agree i think konami should take the time they need to make the game one of a kind i know fifa and pro are in competition everytime a game is realeased but i have aways faniced pro but this year fifa has really taken a shine on me so i think no matter how long it take to tackle the fans needs definatley worth it
definatley worth it Pes 2009, seems so last gen, it needs to become current-gen(Xbox 360, Ps3, Pc), right now Pes 2008 even on the 360 plays and looks like a PS2 game, with a lick of paint, these are my pes 2009 suggestions:
-Bump up the graphics: the graphics are so last-gen, the player models are rubbish and doll like, all animate the exact same way, the cloth or what Konami wants us to believe is cloth(more like plastic) needs to be drasticaly improved, it should flow, and sway with great cloth deformation technology(kinda like Fifa's).
-get rid of the invisible box: Konami get rid of the invisible box that stops me intercepting throw-ins, its very unrealistic.
-add more player reactions: konami should add more player reactions, like when the ball goes out for throw-ins or when a player is flagged offside, its just cool.
-improve keeper A.I
-improve ball physics: right its not too bad, but can be improved upon, let the ball roll and bounce and respond in a more realistic way.
-Bump up the graphics: the graphics are so last-gen, the player models are rubbish and doll like, all animate the exact same way, the cloth or what Konami wants us to believe is cloth(more like plastic) needs to be drasticaly improved, it should flow, and sway with great cloth deformation technology(kinda like Fifa's).
-get rid of the invisible box: Konami get rid of the invisible box that stops me intercepting throw-ins, its very unrealistic.
-add more player reactions: konami should add more player reactions, like when the ball goes out for throw-ins or when a player is flagged offside, its just cool.
-improve keeper A.I
-improve ball physics: right its not too bad, but can be improved upon, let the ball roll and bounce and respond in a more realistic way.
either get rid of the crap excuse they have for 'next gen' online gaming, or actually deliver some form of lag free enviroment. i dont understand. how can near enough every other online game ive played has been fine, but pro, is absolutly shit???
another thing is sort out the offside rule, they never get it right.
player ttributes, barca are ridiculously overrated and strikers pretty much always make mincemeat out of defenders when racing.
Goalkeepers, they react so F'IN slow, and when they parry something, they take so long to get back up the rebound is almost certainly going in.
Player selection, Too many times i have coneced goals because the computer have selected me as a wing back when i want to mke a tackle with a centre back.
computer aid, God knows how many penalties the computer has conceded me with its stupid sliding tackles in the box.
Bring the shop back
bring back challenge training
Bring back Random selection
Bring back the old online interface/menues etc
Bring back the old edit mode
get some new fucking skills,Is it just me, or does every pro say '___ New Skills' and there always just different versions of the old ones, for example,you can now feint a shot without turning or do a one time pass with the side of your foot, those arent fucking skills, I personally can do at 20 skills more interesting and im a Centre back.
another thing GET OWEN OFF THE COVER
another thing is sort out the offside rule, they never get it right.
player ttributes, barca are ridiculously overrated and strikers pretty much always make mincemeat out of defenders when racing.
Goalkeepers, they react so F'IN slow, and when they parry something, they take so long to get back up the rebound is almost certainly going in.
Player selection, Too many times i have coneced goals because the computer have selected me as a wing back when i want to mke a tackle with a centre back.
computer aid, God knows how many penalties the computer has conceded me with its stupid sliding tackles in the box.
Bring the shop back
bring back challenge training
Bring back Random selection
Bring back the old online interface/menues etc
Bring back the old edit mode
get some new fucking skills,Is it just me, or does every pro say '___ New Skills' and there always just different versions of the old ones, for example,you can now feint a shot without turning or do a one time pass with the side of your foot, those arent fucking skills, I personally can do at 20 skills more interesting and im a Centre back.
another thing GET OWEN OFF THE COVER
Damojag
Registered User
Haha...my wife is from there...I tend to piss her off by saying that...or demanding her to say "How now brown cow"
I'm from Mayo myself
St.Zwailla
Registered User
-GK`s to have long trousers ...
p.s fifa is still trash
xbox 2
p.s fifa is still trash
xbox 2
