Pes 2011 has potential, but...

[MysteryMan]

Seriously, the game has big potential , animations are great , the general idea of the game is great , graphics are great... but there are some huge things that are holding it back...

1. I dont know why but the passes don't really feel like they go exactly where I want them in a complete 360 degres , but ok... minor issue its much better than before

2.My biggest issue probably is shooting, its just retarded , the ball travels VERY WEIRD , and light , you can't even shot ground balls how? you hold for 1ms and it still shots a high ball just with no power at all so its almost like a lob, the shooting is WAY worse than last year.

3. Dribbling is much better and you really have much more control over it now as you can map exactly what moves u want together, however I didn't notice that you can save those presets to one of your players correct me if im wrong , but thats pretty stupid.. Would be much better if you could save them to your players so every player would have different moves , that would be perfect.

4. Refs are retarded , they whistle fouls when you barely touch players , what kind of soccer is that seriously

5. I feel like speed/physicality should be more realistic , now I get why KONAMI would want to make cpu players speedy , to fix the problem where u could just run all over the defence and thats good, but they did it wrong , I mean usually side backs are fast players , CB's are not hence they mostly use their phisicality to stop players... but not here , I mean I was playing as Barca and Bayern did a great trough pass to ribery who was at this point in full sprint and 5m before my defenders and Pique who is supposed to be slow catched him , thats just stupid.


If KONAMI manages to fix all of these problems this game has ALOT of potential , hell its even much better than last year now , tho the shooting is really holding it back alot.

 

[Hunter]

After playing it more, I do agree the shooting is "different". I'm still undecided at the moment, as I've had some very good efforts and even very realistic shots, but it is a bit unpredictable. I did score a lovely slotted goal just from inside the box into the corner which was nice.

The passing system is great in my opinion. It may just be a case of you needing to adapt a bit more, thankfully I played on manual and semi-manual for several months with PES 2010 and FIFA 10 so I'm almost used to the control of it in a way. It's definitely a major step up and feels great in my opinion.

I agree somewhat on the referee point though, I mentioned it in the First Impressions thread too. They should be letting some of the minor niggles go, especially as some aren't even fouls in my opinion as I've witnessed several times the player winning the ball perfectly fine with minimal contact only for a foul to be blown. It's obviously not a major flaw, but it would be nice to have it ironed out.

As for the speed and physicality, maybe try altering the game speed in the pause menu. Knocking the speed down a notch may just feel better, I'm really not sure but it's worth a try if you haven't already I guess.

Glad you think PES 2011 is an improvement though, for the first time in years, I genuinely feel there's a big difference, for the better too.

 

[Bite.Me]

Seriously, the game has big potential , animations are great , the general idea of the game is great , graphics are great... but there are some huge things that are holding it back...

1. I dont know why but the passes don't really feel like they go exactly where I want them in a complete 360 degres , but ok... minor issue its much better than before

2.My biggest issue probably is shooting, its just retarded , the ball travels VERY WEIRD , and light , you can't even shot ground balls how? you hold for 1ms and it still shots a high ball just with no power at all so its almost like a lob, the shooting is WAY worse than last year.

3. Dribbling is much better and you really have much more control over it now as you can map exactly what moves u want together, however I didn't notice that you can save those presets to one of your players correct me if im wrong , but thats pretty stupid.. Would be much better if you could save them to your players so every player would have different moves , that would be perfect.

4. Refs are retarded , they whistle fouls when you barely touch players , what kind of soccer is that seriously

5. I feel like speed/physicality should be more realistic , now I get why KONAMI would want to make cpu players speedy , to fix the problem where u could just run all over the defence and thats good, but they did it wrong , I mean usually side backs are fast players , CB's are not hence they mostly use their phisicality to stop players... but not here , I mean I was playing as Barca and Bayern did a great trough pass to ribery who was at this point in full sprint and 5m before my defenders and Pique who is supposed to be slow catched him , thats just stupid.


If KONAMI manages to fix all of these problems this game has ALOT of potential , hell its even much better than last year now , tho the shooting is really holding it back alot.

That, in about 20 matches, has never happened to me.

Or they disarm you from behind when they're on your neck and you just received the through ball or they don't catch up.

 

[bateh]

The REFS rarely give penalties!(same as pes 2010)

 

[YassirX]

The REFS rarely give penalties!(same as pes 2010)

I've had 2 penalties in 5 games... so I guess youre just unlucky.

 

[DIECI]

the game is leaps and bounds above 2010, I played the demo last night for hours and after a while you get used to the passing and shooting and its great. I scored some nice scramers with Ibra and Villa.


I agree with part of your statement, the game does have great potential, I think Konami found a formula for next gen that they could build from and improve on. If they keep this passing and gameplay and improve on it yaer to year we could have the perfect game eventually. With that said, PES2011 is going to be great, can't wait to get my hands on the full game and go online and play some peeps!

 

[shaun7]

Yeah it has issues but the game overall is much better than pes10.
As for hard low shots.
I scored one with Robben in the morning today. You have to be in the right position and you have to make sure you "shake off the defender" first. Then you press the sprint button, and then lightly press the square button with very precise analogue movement and you're in. That's how I scored mine.
I did the same thing yesterday with van bommel.
So I guess practice makes perfect.
Though I agree that at times the ball is unpredictable (it can be agood thing though as in reality you're never 100% sure) and the physics are a bit off sometimes. But overall it's great. Well so far.
I hope that we can buy the 6th difficulty though.

 

[muscularmatt]

The passing system is great in my opinion.

This was the first thing that struck me as I played the demo. The way you control the weight and direction of passes is lovely. You can't just point and press like you've always been able to in just about every football game, not just PES. Picking out the perfect through pass feels so good now.

 

[DIECI]

This was the first thing that struck me as I played the demo. The way you control the weight and direction of passes is lovely. You can't just point and press like you've always been able to in just about every football game, not just PES. Picking out the perfect through pass feels so good now.

the passing is amazing, the best of any sports game to date IMO. The way they set up the passing it really makes the through pass obsolite though, you could just direction the pass to the player you want, over shoot him and thats your through pass. You guys see it this way also?

 

[metsuri69]

One thing bugs me a bit.

It feels at the moment that there are even too much ways to pick up a pass I wantedto make, and I was easily able to pick up good passes, by pressing through pass, normal pass, or manual pass.

I gotta admit I like it a lot and have been waiting for such upgrade, but it seems almost too easy to handle at times.. hopefully CO keeps up the challenge!

And the use for MANUAL pass is a bit trivial (L2, pass).. was seriously trying to pick different passes than with just normal pass, and there's not MUCH difference.. not bad though! I'm missing still though a possibility to pass the ball as TOO SHORT for player, so a player must come for the ball. Now even a very short pass seems to go straight to player..
Small things but still would be nice to see one day

Also I felt that there was more mass on player in Pes2010, the guys moved more sluggish heavy way which was good imo. Also, as many times stated, the ball seems like quite a balloon.. but this is a bit how balls tend to be nowadays I think?

Conclusion:
As a master league player playing with my friend, I'm really waiting for the release and surely I'm going to buy it. But then we'll see does it really top Pes2010, which was really great when got hang of the guys weighing tons in my opinion.

And no matter how the new PES turns out I'm sure we'll play it like hell still! I hope though that the Comp gives a challenge, now with the new passing system, with a friend in same side, beautiful things are sure going to happen a lot! (goals I mean)

 

[BerbasNo1Fan]

After reading everybody's opinions i was really worried about shooting.

This was my first goal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZCjJ7xHQ8

Shootings been excellent for me, better than last year.

I put a 1 on 1 over the bar and i thought what the hell but when i saw the replay it made sense because of how the player struck the ball

 

[DIECI]

the stamina bar on top of the players, I notice it turns red when you over use them and run too much but eventually it goes back to green. Does this happen when you dont use the players turbo as much and he "rests" and gains his strenght back? I noticed that when its red they are slower and also become inaccurate with their passes and shots.

 

[DIECI]

After reading everybody's opinions i was really worried about shooting.

This was my first goal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZCjJ7xHQ8

Shootings been excellent for me, better than last year.

I put a 1 on 1 over the bar and i thought what the hell but when i saw the replay it made sense because of how the player struck the ball

great goal! :shocking:

 

[ezio]

the stamina bar on top of the players, I notice it turns red when you over use them and run too much but eventually it goes back to green. Does this happen when you dont use the players turbo as much and he "rests" and gains his strenght back? I noticed that when its red they are slower and also become inaccurate with their passes and shots.

I believe so yes. It was something that was in the Wii version of the game and I think it is in this version now too.

 

[DIECI]

I believe so yes. It was something that was in the Wii version of the game and I think it is in this version now too.

this should limit the online Messi runners

 

[8gerrard8]

Wait your reviewing a GAME based on a demo of whom isn't even the 100% code of the game? Jeez. Let's put it this way, PES 2011 Demo has potential of which may be fully unlocked in the full game.

 

[ezio]

this should limit the online Messi runners

Agreed if it is indeed there which it seems to be

 

[DivineSaint]

5. I feel like speed/physicality should be more realistic , now I get why KONAMI would want to make cpu players speedy , to fix the problem where u could just run all over the defence and thats good, but they did it wrong , I mean usually side backs are fast players , CB's are not hence they mostly use their phisicality to stop players... but not here , I mean I was playing as Barca and Bayern did a great trough pass to ribery who was at this point in full sprint and 5m before my defenders and Pique who is supposed to be slow catched him , thats just stupid.

that might be because of Random conditions

 

[MysteryMan]

After a few more matches im convinced that the refs are the most horrible part about the game so far , seriously they whistle fouls when the player barely touches someone but when it comes to opposing players hacking me down whenever I get a good opening for a shot they never show yellow cards , freaking annoying.

 

[ezio]

After a few more matches im convinced that the refs are the most horrible part about the game so far , seriously they whistle fouls when the player barely touches someone but when it comes to opposing players hacking me down whenever I get a good opening for a shot they never show yellow cards , freaking annoying.

One interesting note on this. I tried the WE demo on the PS3 and I swear they hardly called anything but need to play it more. Hopefully retail will have it balanced.