PES 2012 - The Positive Positives...and The Gamebreaking Negatives!

[Craney91]

Now, I was lucky enough to get the game a day early today via a good ol' website that seems to send me games a day early. I'm sure some of you already know what that site it is.

Anyway, I've been going at the game for most of the day, I played the demo, so I was familiar. I'm quite stubborn when it comes to computer games as I feel bad playing against the CPU on anything other than its hardest difficulty. I really don't mind loosing to the CPU on the hardest difficulty, just as though it was a fair loss, but 9 times out of 10 on PES and FIFA, you normally get cheated.

So for my first 10 games...I played on the default difficulty - REGULAR, just to get back into the rhythm of things on Pro Evo...As for the past 2 or so weeks, I've been locked into the very very surprisingly good FIFA 12.

Now the funny thing is I detested the FIFA 12 demo and I honestly thought PES 2012 was shaping up to be the better game, to the point of I was going to boycott FIFA altogether, I had no intention of buying the full game on the basis of the demo, but I was going to get only Pro Evo this year around. But as usual I fell into the web of wanting to play a game with my mates until PES came out. So FIFA was a very risky gamble, but the full game for the first time in a LONG LONG LONG while with FIFA really took me by surprise. The full game itself is superb and I do recommend it, but I won't waste anymore of your time talking about that game and why I recommend it.

I'm here to talk about PES 2012.

You see, I really really really don't see much improvement from the PES 2012 demo to the full game at ALL....apart from being able to use all the teams, of course.

And while the football game itself feels more "alive" on the pitch compared to FIFA. EA stepped up their game for the full release, but like I said at the point of the demo, I disliked it very much.

Having played Pro Evo ever since they've been coming out, the one thing that always set it apart from the (tosh at the time) FIFA, was the SHOOTING. Everybody I know who used to play Pro Evo back then, said much the same. You had this ping like connection with the ball when shooting, it felt solid, rewarding and responsive. You felt that feeling of connection with the ball, pad in hand!

As the years passed on, Konami improved other areas of the game, but the the things that always gave Pro Evo the edge over FIFA, for year upon year, are virtually gone/broken this year. UNLESS THEY FIX IT.

Another thing that Pro Evo was renowned for was dribbling and being able to beat players with quick, agile movements. Last years PES was pretty much impossible to achieve such things whilst dribbling, especially combined with the one thing both football games can't get just right. PRESSURE.

But PES 2011 still had shooting in tact, after the patch that fixed the floaty-ness physiques of the ball. Of course you see some stupid scissor kicks from outside the box, but the shooting felt connected.

PES 2012 WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

The shooting is so slow, eratic, unresponsive and un-direct it keeps telling me the same thing over and OVER AGAIN. WHY?

The shooting for me is just not right and no where near acceptable. Gone of the days of the thunderbolts that broke the net, its all very tip-toey and panzy now. If you dare hold that shoot button....it's flying over the bar like a 10p fly away! LITERALLY. There is no weight or power!

The game is too much about TAPPING buttons. Even the good old placed shot feels broke. 9 times out of 10, when you shoot, it directs it self wherever also.

It feels terrible. The ping/connection with the passing is much the same, it feels very slow and off-tempo. I was expecting some improvement over the demo at the very least, but it seems like zilch.

The game is also very stop-start I find, and that little graphic on goal kicks will drive even the most patient, POTTY!

Goalkeepers are also useless as always, yet they apparently "worked" on them in that update?

Positives;

- Match atmosphere

- The game feels "alive" on and OFF the pitch, FIFA feels very boring in comparison

- Player movement of the ball is pretty good and way ahead of FIFA

Negatives;

- Ball physics especially on shooting and passing are terrible. FIFA's ball physics this year are tremendous, especially the LT + B (or L2 + circle) volleys! (You get that connection like back on the old Pro Evo's, first time ever for a FIFA game for me!!!)

- GOALKEEPERS hardly hold onto ANYTHING, they also make stupid decisions when directed to come out, normally resulting in a goal. (When holding Y or triangle) they will just run at the attacker and stand still!!!


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I hope (in fact they BETTER) fix these issues in the next update, because if they do, it is a better game than the surprisingly brilliant FIFA 12 this year. If they don't, and totally ignore what the true PES fans are saying, then it is not even worth the pleasure of gracing your console.

As it stands, PES 2012 is unfinished.

 

[Marcus Wright]

Now, I was lucky enough to get the game a day early today via a good ol' website that seems to send me games a day early. I'm sure some of you already know what that site it is.

Anyway, I've been going at the game for most of the day, I played the demo, so I was familiar. I'm quite stubborn when it comes to computer games as I feel bad playing against the CPU on anything other than its hardest difficulty. I really don't mind loosing to the CPU on the hardest difficulty, just as though it was a fair loss, but 9 times out of 10 on PES and FIFA, you normally get cheated.

So for my first 10 games...I played on the default difficulty - REGULAR, just to get back into the rhythm of things on Pro Evo...As for the past 2 or so weeks, I've been locked into the very very surprisingly good FIFA 12.

Now the funny thing is I detested the FIFA 12 demo and I honestly thought PES 2012 was shaping up to be the better game, to the point of I was going to boycott FIFA altogether, I had no intention of buying the full game on the basis of the demo, but I was going to get only Pro Evo this year around. But as usual I fell into the web of wanting to play a game with my mates until PES came out. So FIFA was a very risky gamble, but the full game for the first time in a LONG LONG LONG while with FIFA really took me by surprise. The full game itself is superb and I do recommend it, but I won't waste anymore of your time talking about that game and why I recommend it.

I'm here to talk about PES 2012.

You see, I really really really don't see much improvement from the PES 2012 demo to the full game at ALL....apart from being able to use all the teams, of course.

And while the football game itself feels more "alive" on the pitch compared to FIFA. EA stepped up their game for the full release, but like I said at the point of the demo, I disliked it very much.

Having played Pro Evo ever since they've been coming out, the one thing that always set it apart from the (tosh at the time) FIFA, was the SHOOTING. Everybody I know who used to play Pro Evo back then, said much the same. You had this ping like connection with the ball when shooting, it felt solid, rewarding and responsive. You felt that feeling of connection with the ball, pad in hand!

As the years passed on, Konami improved other areas of the game, but the the things that always gave Pro Evo the edge over FIFA, for year upon year, are virtually gone/broken this year. UNLESS THEY FIX IT.

Another thing that Pro Evo was renowned for was dribbling and being able to beat players with quick, agile movements. Last years PES was pretty much impossible to achieve such things whilst dribbling, especially combined with the one thing both football games can't get just right. PRESSURE.

But PES 2011 still had shooting in tact, after the patch that fixed the floaty-ness physiques of the ball. Of course you see some stupid scissor kicks from outside the box, but the shooting felt connected.

PES 2012 WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

The shooting is so slow, eratic, unresponsive and un-direct it keeps telling me the same thing over and OVER AGAIN. WHY?

The shooting for me is just not right and no where near acceptable. Gone of the days of the thunderbolts that broke the net, its all very tip-toey and panzy now. If you dare hold that shoot button....it's flying over the bar like a 10p fly away! LITERALLY. There is no weight or power!

The game is too much about TAPPING buttons. Even the good old placed shot feels broke. 9 times out of 10, when you shoot, it directs it self wherever also.

It feels terrible. The ping/connection with the passing is much the same, it feels very slow and off-tempo. I was expecting some improvement over the demo at the very least, but it seems like zilch.

The game is also very stop-start I find, and that little graphic on goal kicks will drive even the most patient, POTTY!

Goalkeepers are also useless as always, yet they apparently "worked" on them in that update?

Positives;

- Match atmosphere

- The game feels "alive" on and OFF the pitch, FIFA feels very boring in comparison

- Player movement of the ball is pretty good and way ahead of FIFA

Negatives;

- Ball physics especially on shooting and passing are terrible. FIFA's ball physics this year are tremendous, especially the LT + B (or L2 + circle) volleys! (You get that connection like back on the old Pro Evo's, first time ever for a FIFA game for me!!!)

- GOALKEEPERS hardly hold onto ANYTHING, they also make stupid decisions when directed to come out, normally resulting in a goal. (When holding Y or triangle) they will just run at the attacker and stand still!!!


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I hope (in fact they BETTER) fix these issues in the next update, because if they do, it is a better game than the surprisingly brilliant FIFA 12 this year. If they don't, and totally ignore what the true PES fans are saying, then it is not even worth the pleasure of gracing your console.

As it stands, PES 2012 is unfinished.

I am happy that u noticed the shooting/passing thing that bothers me too.

What surprises me the most is that u didnt talk about the way too fast game speed. How come u didnt notice it?
Or it doesnt bother you? (I know it bothers most other people)

 

[Craney91]

I am happy that u noticed the shooting/passing thing that bothers me too.

What surprises me the most is that u didnt talk about the way too fast game speed. How come u didnt notice it?
Or it doesnt bother you? (I know it bothers most other people)

No just different, I don't mess about with sliders or speed settings.

I play the game on default and on default I find the game SLOW this year.

Like I said I've been playing FIFA, which is a super fast rush. I find with PES this year you end up having to keep going backwards all the time, especially on Top Player. It's very difficult to create any NORMAL chances at all. Dribbling still isn't on par with a PES 5 or 6 for me, personally I think they need to tone down the A.I. CPU pressure down on defense, allowing you to have a touch and think about your football, rather than just having to do what you are only able to do vs. the CPU.

I think they need to tone it down, this was a major problem with last years game also, tone that down and I think the game will become slower naturally.

Problem is though, WILL they do it in a update?

It is achievable, shooting and passing need tweaking also.

But to answer your question, I find the game play slow, because it is very stop start and because of the way the CPU defends ALL THE TIME, you cannot do what you see. Having all the off-ball player movement and A.I. is fine and dandy, but If you can't create space on the ball, or if the players of the ball can't find space, the game becomes very static on the edge of the box.....and the game is very static once you get to the edge of the box. It feels like the whole CPU is behind the ball, when their not, it is all down to pressure.

Of course, you as the player can also pressure, but you leave plenty of gaps doing so. This should happen with the CPU as well, depending on the situation, awareness and the context.

It's a unfinished game for me, I won't be even venturing into online if they don't fix these issues.

 

[Gibelini]

Shooting is indeed really annoying. I hardly tap the shootbutton and still the ball flys over the goal. Sucks when you're 1 on 1.

 

[techboy11]

No just different, I don't mess about with sliders or speed settings.

I play the game on default and on default I find the game SLOW this year.

Like I said I've been playing FIFA, which is a super fast rush. I find with PES this year you end up having to keep going backwards all the time, especially on Top Player. It's very difficult to create any NORMAL chances at all. Dribbling still isn't on par with a PES 5 or 6 for me, personally I think they need to tone down the A.I. CPU pressure down on defense, allowing you to have a touch and think about your football, rather than just having to do what you are only able to do vs. the CPU.

I think they need to tone it down, this was a major problem with last years game also, tone that down and I think the game will become slower naturally.

Problem is though, WILL they do it in a update?

It is achievable, shooting and passing need tweaking also.

But to answer your question, I find the game play slow, because it is very stop start and because of the way the CPU defends ALL THE TIME, you cannot do what you see. Having all the off-ball player movement and A.I. is fine and dandy, but If you can't create space on the ball, or if the players of the ball can't find space, the game becomes very static on the edge of the box.....and the game is very static once you get to the edge of the box. It feels like the whole CPU is behind the ball, when their not, it is all down to pressure.

Of course, you as the player can also pressure, but you leave plenty of gaps doing so. This should happen with the CPU as well, depending on the situation, awareness and the context.

It's a unfinished game for me, I won't be even venturing into online if they don't fix these issues.

Hi Craney, really nice review mate, agree with some things you mention, but whilst I have a few niggling concerns about PES, for me at least on the PC anyway, PES is the bet football game I've ever played. It all depends what you're looking for in a game of course and it's each to their own, that's what makes these forums alive is the debate and the pros and cons. For me, even with some of the glitches in PES, once you setup your tactics and formation correctly, defend correctly and ramp it into Top Player with no assists, you get the best out of the game in terms of how the CPU plays and the best out of yourself.

I have played probably around 200 demo games, and probably am approaching 50 full retail games and ONLY NOW do I feel that I know the game inside out and am comfortable with everything from tactics, to player individuality and defending. I still lose, so it's not like I am a Jedi Master or anything but the game is now so, so much more rewarding.

The thing that sets the game apart for me is just the general defensive patterns of the CPU. It's the little things that impress me so, so much. It's like 8/10 times you can get the ball with your CB and easily quickly ship the ball onto the full backs without any pressure; but sometimes if you're not careful the full back will be closed down really fast and the ball will be nicked. Also it's like that in midfield, the way the CPU utilises its sometimes passe pressure defensive system (and by this I mean from the attackers, to midfield, then defence) is sometimes lax, and others it's intense pressing. But the randomness depends on lots of things, like whether you held onto the ball too long/too short, the type of pass it was, who is on the ball etc etc.

I find for example that when my midfield maestro Gerrard gets the ball their midfielders are dead keen to close him down, but not in an unrealistic PES2011 type of way where they just rape him of the ball, because now he was the movement and strength to hold off challenges just like his marauding self IRL. People like Adam, I'm constantly trying to engineer the ball on his left peg, Suarez my utilisation of the quick turn and shot is devastating. My defence, I play short passes. Downing erratic frustrating mis passes and as weak as a child, but I can beat defenders on the outside, whip in that quick ball and buy free kicks with him. Carroll. Need the ball up front in a hurry, long punt it to him, for the flicks an lay offs!!! It's all there, it just needs long long gameplay.

The other frustrating thing with PES and people are learning this slowly is that the so called 'cheating' is totally proportional to your hyper defending style. This is probably one problem area that I see with PES - it's great in one way I suppose because you have to defend properly but it's not so great if you play a high tempo pressure game. To put it another way the game will simply cane you and switch into unstoppable God mode if you don't defend the way KONAMI want you to.

But as for a game that pans out something almost identical to what I see on the tele in terms of the way teams press and don't press, the defensive units and players movements off the ball, it is right up there. Even with the slider settings changed on FIFA, I still have to force everything with run trigger and one twos to get anything going.

It seems like the players are just set to stand in their positions and you have to do all the running and getting the little sods just to raise a leg.

People also may be getting a little annoyed at the game because they forget this one important aspect with PES - that whilst people are impressed and demand that their team AI is out of this world in terms of movement, people get annoyed then at the elaborate CPU movement.

It works both ways, you can't have your players making all these realistic runs and then expect the CPU just to stand there like dummies whilst you easily get the ball back.

The other thing that I like about PES, and you addressed it as a possible negative is the way the CPU defends. FIFA, because it isn't alive plays somewhat static in that there doesn't seem to be any response in terms of team mates reactions to situations. In PES, like IRL, once possession is lost defensive units start. To push and pull these players out of their defensive positions you need to pass the ball and create angles and space thus moving the CPU out if it's two banks of four for example. If they are playing a tight central defensive game get the ball to the wings, if they are light in midfield pass it around the central midfielders, all this creates space eventually.

Also if my team mate is one on one for example on the flank and I'm defending you;ll notice that once i hold him up for a second or so my other team mates will filter in behind doubling or even trebling up on the space behind. FIFA doesn't do this, FIFA just lets your man get on with it one on one, which is where most CPU goals are scored, because the CPU in World Class or above because the CPU knows it has the programming to out reflex you, and in the blink of a script just dance around you with no team mate protection for the one on one.

PES2012 on the PS3 I thought was an 8, maybe an 8.5 until I played it longer and longer and started to see some alarming stuff. At the moment I'm feeling like it's a 7.5, maybe even a 7 the more I play it. Conversely, the PC VERSION of PES, on my 22" widescreen LG, with adequate graphics card and dual core processor, is making PES into something that is honestly a dream to play. I may add that my PS3 version I'm playing on a big 50" plasma so I don't know if that has something to do with me now not liking the gameplay so much.

I would honestly, honestly, give the PC version, with my set up a 9/10, and I haven't even experimented with gameplay patches, updates, or haven't tested the online play with ethernet connection as opposed to my wireless which had lag on the PS3.

My PS3 version is being sold this week on ebay, and the PC is the way to go.

 

[MysteryMan]

Agree with OP, shooting is horrible.

The ball physics actually isn't bad but the shoot bar is WAY too sensitive nad the shooting is too automated.

 

[wanna_be_dj]

The tackling is the most annoying for me! 10 red cards in 6 games. mainly due to the comp changing players while I'm trying a slide tackle.

 

[cjfinno]

The tackling is the most annoying for me! 10 red cards in 6 games. mainly due to the comp changing players while I'm trying a slide tackle.

Yep thats happened to me twice too! Some annoyin!

 

[Crapweasel]

The tackling is the most annoying for me! 10 red cards in 6 games. mainly due to the comp changing players while I'm trying a slide tackle.

Do you mean the comp is changing the player you are controlling? If so, you can change the cursor settings to semi-assisted so that you have complete control over changing which individual player you control, rather than having the comp change it based on the position of the player in relation to the ball.

Used to happen to me a lot in PES 2011 until I figured that out.

 

[wanna_be_dj]

I tried that for a bit but ended up flicking on the totally the wrong player and by the time I'm on who I want they've gone past.

 

[konglean]

regarding player roles and the relation to sliders

Afternoon guys,

Sorry if this has already been asked (I tried searching but couldn't find anything related) but I've got a question regarding player roles and the relation to sliders.

Does the match engine take into account player roles or only consider the sliders i.e. is a role just a group of "preset" sliders? For example, say if I set a midfielder as a box to box but match the sliders and individual instruction (mentality etc) to that of a central midfielder (support), would there be any difference to the player than if I set his role to a central midfielder in the first place? Or would it be a "mix" of both roles?

Cheers,

 

[2GunsUp]

for me Negatives are

Defending: feels like they have made the defenders stupid and they are just happy taking it up the arse from the speed merchant

Shooting:very inconsistent...you don't what you going to get if you shoot.

 

[Craney91]

I've read all of the replies and I appreciate everyone's input, it seems I'm not the only one feeling this about the game.

tech, I read all of your post and it pretty much echoes how I feel. Most of the issues for both football games come down to a balance issue, there is always one thing every year that stops it from being brilliant. Problem with FIFA tends to be the community and EA Sports, this year though, I have to applaud them, I think the game is exceptional, the defending is an art and I'm glad they focused on a more than valid area that exists in football, rather than the skills, tricks and all the goals. The defensive and especially the goalkeeper side of football games, for all of eternity, seems to never get the credit or attention it needs. It's all about what happens up the other end of the pitch.

What I will say is, I have been cussing FIFA and EA Sports since FIFA 09, but this year they have delivered something aimed at me...and the likes of me, rather than the 5 year old glory hunters, who have no idea and who change the team they support every 7 days.

For once they aimed the game at the right people, time will tell if they carry on doing so in the future, I hope this is not a one of blip like the great next-gen FIFA 08 was. Yes of course FIFA 12 has its problems, but it just feels a more solid/"finished" product. Whereas Pro Evo this year, whilst heading in the right direction, dare I say a better direction than FIFA. It just fails in certain areas, that if fixed, would unleash the reigns that are holding it back.

Goalkeepers especially are DIABOLICAL, and there really is no doubt about it. They never hold onto anything and even if they do get a touch on the ball, it normally sends it further/quicker into the goal! I've had keepers dive the totally opposite direction to a normal shot, then still make contact with the ball and send it into the goal. I really worry about this area, PES 2011 goalkeepers were bad, but this takes it to an all time low. AN ALL TIME LOW!

Of course we have those issues, shooting, passing and the GK's but then there are moments of brilliance, like earlier when I was playing as Real Madrid vs Barcalona Top Player at the Neu Camp. They went 1-0 up, bullshit keeper again. Then I leveled with a brilliant 25 yarder with Di Maria, cutting inside from the right. Then they had Puyol sent off, straight red. Leaving a big gap, they moved Busquets back into defense from DMF and were on the back foot for most of the game. I brought on Higuain and Kaka to try and open something up, more movement between the lines. I moved Ozil deeper and my wingers further up. As the time went on, it looked like it was going to be a 1-1 and they held on. Then a moment of brilliance from the sub KAKA, with a brilliant through-ball out to the right wing for a first time cross from Ozil into the box, swinged in, Higuain jumps and heads it into the far corner. Last second and kick of the match, referee blew for full time on kick off.

Brilliant. All it needed was a crazy mad Spanish commentator "Gol gol gol gol gol gol goooooooooool"

Another area where Pro Evo excels is the match day atmosphere, something that FIFA fails in. The small but MAGNIFICENT touches, like stewards, managers, camera men following the ball, the fans reactions changing depending on the country you are playing in. The horns going of like vuvuzela's in the Barca vs. Madrid and La Liga games. They have got this area to a tee and they SHOULD BE PRAISED for this.

But TBH it is a miracle we even have a game to play this year, especially with the tragedy's over in Japan with the earthquake and I think we should be proud and thank all at Konami, just for that reason alone. Also, they never get the support, push or recognition that FIFA gets every year, so they are already 5 steps behind in production of the game. EA Sports selfishly keep the licenses and get all the false support from the media. I class Pro Evo as a true alternative and at times a better representation of football than FIFA.

It just has some very niggly issues that get on my nerves, I just so hope they have not finished with this game yet. Hopefully in the next updates, we get the game we all know they can produce.

......they done it for 10+ years, you know?

 

[shaun7]

^I agree that Pes feels unfinished and if they fix these small but really annoying issues, the game would be awesome.

However, I cannot agree that fifa's tactical defending is better than Pes' new defending system.

Have you played fifa against the AI? IT'S HORRIBLE. Not the gameplay, because that is much better than fifa 11, BUT THE WAY THE CPU PLAYS. It's stupid and gamebreaking. The cpu surrounds his players with invisible barriers at times and you cannot take the ball from him as he keeps turning and turning until he beats all of your players, even if that player is Carrol. Oh and the other thing is that the CPU wins 99.9% of the headers making it impossible to defend against them. The problem is that EA blinded people into thinking that fifa 12 is difficult when in reality, the used very cheap tactics to make us think that it is difficult. The core game is easy.

But apart from that I agree that fifa 12 is much better than fifa 11.

As for the pes 12 defence. There is a forum member call the pesTuts or something similar. He made a video on how to defend AND IT REALLY WORKS. Trust me, it really does work. But it's hard to explain everything in here, a video i much better. If I find the video, I'll link it here.

 

[Craney91]

^I agree that Pes feels unfinished and if they fix these small but really annoying issues, the game would be awesome.

However, I cannot agree that fifa's tactical defending is better than Pes' new defending system.

Have you played fifa against the AI? IT'S HORRIBLE. Not the gameplay, because that is much better than fifa 11, BUT THE WAY THE CPU PLAYS. It's stupid and gamebreaking. The cpu surrounds his players with invisible barriers at times and you cannot take the ball from him as he keeps turning and turning until he beats all of your players, even if that player is Carrol. Oh and the other thing is that the CPU wins 99.9% of the headers making it impossible to defend against them. The problem is that EA blinded people into thinking that fifa 12 is difficult when in reality, the used very cheap tactics to make us think that it is difficult. The core game is easy.

But apart from that I agree that fifa 12 is much better than fifa 11.

As for the pes 12 defence. There is a forum member call the pesTuts or something similar. He made a video on how to defend AND IT REALLY WORKS. Trust me, it really does work. But it's hard to explain everything in here, a video i much better. If I find the video, I'll link it here.

I don't think I said FIFA's defending is better than Pro Evo's.

But I agree with you on all of that, especially EA fooling the masses. They are masters of the brainwash. But credit where credit is due, the game is better than the last few years' games they have produced. Which in all honesty, have been INSULTS to football.

CPU is also a joke, I agree. Play Ultimate Team on World Class vs. the CPU, it's a challenge but a FAIR game, referee is not one sided. Then play against that same team on world class in kick-off/exhibition and the game is unbearable, it is honestly the worst CPU cheating, it think I have EVER played.

I lost a game the other day 3-2 to Stoke, me as Liverpool in my career mode on world class. I was 2-0 and of course, the game done everything in its power, all I can put it down to is it was almost like the game thought I cheated the game out of those 2 goals, so some of the shit that happened in that game, was truly unbelievable. The 3rd goal they scored, was the worst goal I have ever seen on a football game, the WORST. Why?

Because the goal scorer (in this case Peter Crouch) didn't even shoot the ball at goal!

The impact engine went banana's! 3 players, including Crouch, my Goalkeeper and a defender (cant remember who it was, may have been Agger) decided that they could not find the ball, the keeper flapped at it, didn't pick it up, fell on the ball. My defender ran over and fell over the keeper, Peter Crouch tried shooting, but fell over, lying on the grass still with the other 2 idiots, then quite possibly the worst thing I have ever seen in all the years of computer games! The ball was stationary, all three players were on the grass, Crouch and Agger were not near the ball but on the ground. Reina turned around onto his side, went to grab the ball with his left hand in the same motion, and then his right arm swung right around his body like it was broken and morphed and punched the ball into the goal on the ground, of course the ball rolled in at 50 mph.

Who scored the goal?

Peter Crouch.

I watched it on replay, over and over and over again.

 

[filobeto]

I alos think the sliding tackle button is broken!

Dreadful delay... If I wanna slide around the pitch, ten yards away from a man, why can't I??

 

[Craney91]

I know one thing, the computer can easily do things dribbling, that you cannot simply achieve at all.

They virtually walk through all your challenges to the goal. It's pathetic.

Yet when your on the attack, your normally surrounded or pressured by being doubled or tripled up on. You can't go on a mazy run past players like the CPU do almost second nature.

 

[jag021]

Messi is untouchable. Can't stop him unless you get about 3 players on him or the player controlling him messes up, and its hard to mess up than dribble past the whole team. That's such a joke.