PES 2017 First Pics and News!

[rebelinho]

:huh: Really?

..and we wonder why Konami keeps making this shit called a football game?

Haven't we learned that with Konami ......"Seeing is believing ....but Feeling is knowing"

This will be the third year in a row that they are changing the whole fucking gameplay. :no:

Oh how we forget easily! :erm:

No, we/I (can only speak for myself) don't easily forget. I've never pre-ordered a game and never will. I haven't been hyped about one since Assetto Corsa (and can't even run it...). But this isn't just talk and no action. I'm getting hyped by actual changes/improvements made to the game. If you notice I never mentioned the "hugely improved" goalkeepers. I don't know yet if they truly are improved. While I have no reason to don't believe those websites, I prefer to wait and see for myself. But the Strength vs Body Balance stat, new tactics (corners, overlap, etc) are real things. Konami may be incompetent, but they don't (usually) blatantly lie.

Again with the inconsistent player naming - A. SANCHEZ, then HECTOR and NACHO (presumably followed by BELLERIN and MORENO respectively). Hopefully they fix this (they won't), because it just looks very sloppy.

How would you prefer it, Mesut Özil and Hector Bellerín or M. Özil and H. Bellerín? I'd go with the first.

 

[Ali]

How would you prefer it, Mesut Özil and Hector Bellerín or M. Özil and H. Bellerín? I'd go with the first.

First name initial on the team sheets etc, full name on the players "profile".

 

[rebelinho]

First name initial on the team sheets etc, full name on the players "profile".

That means they'd have to have two strings of text for each player. Nah, too much work.

 

[Ali]

That means they'd have to have two strings of text for each player. Nah, too much work.

They've been doing it half-assed for years, about time they did it full-assed. :folarm:

 

[rebelinho]

They've been doing it half-assed for years, about time they did it full-assed. :folarm:

So, just Mesut and Hector?

If you come to the PC side there are tools that allow you to change all the names in a matter of minutes...

 

[Ali]

Don't get me started on players with just surnames.

 

[simononestop]

football always just used to be surname.
only recently you seem to be able to pick.
and I guess with more over seas players in the prem over the years

 

[AlekosG7]

Again with the inconsistent player naming - A. SANCHEZ, then HECTOR and NACHO (presumably followed by BELLERIN and MORENO respectively). Hopefully they fix this (they won't), because it just looks very sloppy.

Actually it is not that sloppy. South/Central-American Spanish speaking countries player naming is almost always like this: (A. SÁNCHEZ, L. MESSI, E. VALENCIA), while Spanish player naming is much more harder and therefore more "free", because many times players have nicknames or are better known with their first name, like CHULI, KOKE, GABI or SAÚL. Players from Portuguese speaking countries like Portugal, Brazil or Cape Verde are the hardest to name, since they might have 1. Nicknames (KAKA, RONALDINHO, HULK), 2. Known with their first name better (WILLIAN, JONAS), 3. Known with their surnames better (TALISCA) or 4. Known with first and surnames (JÚLIO CESAR, DIEGO ALVES, DANI ALVES).

 

[Ali]

Actually it is not that sloppy. South/Central-American Spanish speaking countries player naming is almost always like this: (A. SÁNCHEZ, L. MESSI, E. VALENCIA), while Spanish player naming is much more harder and therefore more "free", because many times players have nicknames or are better known with their first name, like CHULI, KOKE, GABI or SAÚL. Players from Portuguese speaking countries like Portugal, Brazil or Cape Verde are the hardest to name, since they might have 1. Nicknames (KAKA, RONALDINHO, HULK), 2. Known with their first name better (WILLIAN, JONAS), 3. Known with their surnames better (TALISCA) or 4. Known with first and surnames (JÚLIO CESAR, DIEGO ALVES, DANI ALVES).

I understand in the case of nicknames, but what about other players with "standard" names? Lets take English names, for example, you can have a team full of English players, and the names are formatted in 3 different ways. So I could have:

http://www.pesmaster.com/h-kane/pes-2016/player/47287/ (Initial. Surname)

http://www.pesmaster.com/bamidele-alli/pes-2016/player/106593/ (First name Last name)

http://www.pesmaster.com/clough/pes-2016/player/101329/ (Last name only)

I would certainly call that sloppy. It looks very untidy IMO.

 

[rebelinho]

Actually it is not that sloppy. South/Central-American Spanish speaking countries player naming is almost always like this: (A. SÁNCHEZ, L. MESSI, E. VALENCIA), while Spanish player naming is much more harder and therefore more "free", because many times players have nicknames or are better known with their first name, like CHULI, KOKE, GABI or SAÚL. Players from Portuguese speaking countries like Portugal, Brazil or Cape Verde are the hardest to name, since they might have 1. Nicknames (KAKA, RONALDINHO, HULK), 2. Known with their first name better (WILLIAN, JONAS), 3. Known with their surnames better (TALISCA) or 4. Known with first and surnames (JÚLIO CESAR, DIEGO ALVES, DANI ALVES).

That's why they should always use the first and last, or most used names. Using your examples: Alexis Sánchez, Lionel Messi, Enner Valencia, Koke, Gabi, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Hulk, Willian, Júlio César, Dani Alves. Players like Saúl Ñíguez can have just Saúl or both names, Ibrahimovic doesn't need Zlatan, Van Persie doesn't need Robin, and so on. It also needs to have in account the character length and rarity of the name (Mata doesn't lead to any mistakes, but Danilo is much more common).

Other way to do this is using just the most common name, but it can lead to even more players having the same name and doesn't look as good.

I understand in the case of nicknames, but what about other players with "standard" names? Lets take English names, for example, you can have a team full of English players, and the names are formatted in 3 different ways. So I could have:

http://www.pesmaster.com/h-kane/pes-2016/player/47287/ (Initial. Surname)

http://www.pesmaster.com/bamidele-alli/pes-2016/player/106593/ (First name Last name)

http://www.pesmaster.com/clough/pes-2016/player/101329/ (Last name only)

I would certainly call that sloppy. It looks very untidy IMO.

Damn right it's sloppy, doesn't make any sense using different methods. I get Alli's name being Dele Alli instead of D. Alli, but Bamidele Alli? And then Clough is just Clough?

To end this matter, fucking stop with all caps. Just needs to be in Comic Sans for it to get any more infantile.

 

[OCKRASS]

No, we/I (can only speak for myself) don't easily forget. I've never pre-ordered a game and never will. I haven't been hyped about one since Assetto Corsa (and can't even run it...). But this isn't just talk and no action. I'm getting hyped by actual changes/improvements made to the game. If you notice I never mentioned the "hugely improved" goalkeepers. I don't know yet if they truly are improved. While I have no reason to don't believe those websites, I prefer to wait and see for myself. But the Strength vs Body Balance stat, new tactics (corners, overlap, etc) are real things. Konami may be incompetent, but they don't (usually) blatantly lie.

100% agreed. Konami knows exactly what is needed to bring the series back ......money and innovation. They have not committed to that as yet .

The reason for my concern this year is that they have not address a very important concern for developers and fans like myself. What engine is going to be used on PES 2017.

Remember that when Kojima left ....he took the Fox Engine with him.
This may the reason for another new "revamp" of the series.
Are they going back to the old engine?

That is my first concern.

 

[rebelinho]

100% agreed. Konami knows exactly what is needed to bring the series back ......money and innovation. They have not committed to that as yet .

The reason for my concern this year is that they have not address a very important concern for developers and fans like myself. What engine is going to be used on PES 2017.

Remember that when Kojima left ....he took the Fox Engine with him.
This may the reason for another new "revamp" of the series.
Are they going back to the old engine?

That is my first concern.

I've read in multiple sources that the Fox Engine is here to stay. PES is the last AAA title from Konami and they must do a bloody good job if they want to survive.

As for the money. Bhatti says that "we can't compete on that, so we try to give players a superior gameplay". As far as I'm concerned that's the important bit, the rest we can do ourselves (that's part of the fun, right?).

 

[Willocrew]

100% agreed. Konami knows exactly what is needed to bring the series back ......money and innovation. They have not committed to that as yet .

The reason for my concern this year is that they have not address a very important concern for developers and fans like myself. What engine is going to be used on PES 2017.

Remember that when Kojima left ....he took the Fox Engine with him.
This may the reason for another new "revamp" of the series.
Are they going back to the old engine?

That is my first concern.

From what I understand, fox engine is owned by Konami.

That's why Kojima has been going around looking for a new game engine recently for his upcoming AAA game.

As for the game, I really enjoy how pes 2015 and pes 2016 feel. Pes 2015 was the first pes game that convinced me to finally switch back from FIFA to PES. I hope the feel of the game doesn't change radically.

But I'm definitely wanting an improvement in the AI tactics. Like someone said above, we get Barcelona tiki taka or long ball. Absolutely ridiculous.

Also I hope they improve master league and keep the team role feature.

And most importantly....I hope they allow option files so we don't have to manually update Team kits.

 

[OCKRASS]

From what I understand, fox engine is owned by Konami.

That's why Kojima has been going around looking for a new game engine recently for his upcoming AAA game.

As for the game, I really enjoy how pes 2015 and pes 2016 feel. Pes 2015 was the first pes game that convinced me to finally switch back from FIFA to PES. I hope the feel of the game doesn't change radically.

But I'm definitely wanting an improvement in the AI tactics. Like someone said above, we get Barcelona tiki taka or long ball. Absolutely ridiculous.

Also I hope they improve master league and keep the team role feature.

And most importantly....I hope they allow option files so we don't have to manually update Team kits.

You are correct ....after some digging I found that they do own the Fox Engine. Kojima was just the developers who used it initially in 2008 for MGS.

This still means the engine is going on 9 years. Fifa has now stated that they are moving to the Frostbite Engine for Fifa 17.

We need to sit back and wait for the outcome of both game demos.

 

[rebelinho]

You are correct ....after some digging I found that they do own the Fox Engine. Kojima was just the developers who used it initially in 2008 for MGS.

This still means the engine is going on 9 years. Fifa has now stated that they are moving to the Frostbite Engine for Fifa 17.

We need to sit back and wait for the outcome of both game demos.

I have a feeling FIFA will go down a long way this year. Like PES, they'll face a huge change in overall feeling of the game. But while PES players are more often than not open to new experiences and, let's face it, PES2014 was utter shit, I don't think the stereotypical FIFA player will welcome change that well. If they happen to make the game just a bit more realistic or slower paced it will be a shitfest.

 

[AlekosG7]

I understand in the case of nicknames, but what about other players with "standard" names? Lets take English names, for example, you can have a team full of English players, and the names are formatted in 3 different ways. So I could have:

http://www.pesmaster.com/h-kane/pes-2016/player/47287/ (Initial. Surname)

http://www.pesmaster.com/bamidele-alli/pes-2016/player/106593/ (First name Last name)

http://www.pesmaster.com/clough/pes-2016/player/101329/ (Last name only)

I would certainly call that sloppy. It looks very untidy IMO.

With the non-Spanish/Portuguese names I agree with you. Why they indeed can't be like this (D. ALLI)?. But with the Spanish names the naming system is fine, because Spanish names are more complex. For an example: http://www.pesmaster.com/rodrigo/pes-2016/player/42538/. His name is RODRIGO in the game, because he is known better with his first name. Now if his name would be named with initial and last name (R. MORENO), very few would know who this player is. But yes, I totally agree with you in the standard names (first name and last name) and I think the best system to name is the initial and surname. (L. MESSI, K. BENZEMA, W. ROONEY) etc.

 

[AlekosG7]

From what I understand, fox engine is owned by Konami.

That's why Kojima has been going around looking for a new game engine recently for his upcoming AAA game.

As for the game, I really enjoy how pes 2015 and pes 2016 feel. Pes 2015 was the first pes game that convinced me to finally switch back from FIFA to PES. I hope the feel of the game doesn't change radically.

But I'm definitely wanting an improvement in the AI tactics. Like someone said above, we get Barcelona tiki taka or long ball. Absolutely ridiculous.

Also I hope they improve master league and keep the team role feature.

And most importantly....I hope they allow option files so we don't have to manually update Team kits.

Bhatti said in the reviews that they will update the Master League and also hinted that there might be something new about the importing of kits/possibly option files.

 

[OCKRASS]

I have a feeling FIFA will go down a long way this year. Like PES, they'll face a huge change in overall feeling of the game. But while PES players are more often than not open to new experiences and, let's face it, PES2014 was utter shit, I don't think the stereotypical FIFA player will welcome change that well. If they happen to make the game just a bit more realistic or slower paced it will be a shitfest.

I totally agree ....and this can be a terrible thing for fans. Fifa community has gotten to only subtle changes for the past decade. Any sway to the left or right ......BOOOM!

PES for me has disappeared into the darkness....I really dont think there is any life left in the series.

 

[motherhen]

So, FIFA has signed an exclusive deal with La Liga For FIFA 17... What a shame. :/

 

[holyfsm42]

Teaser
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I think that it's not much better than PES2016, but I think I'm still gonna buy it.