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[PES Update March 2011] Speculation about players getting better stats

CMB

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Doesn't "team lineup updates" maybe include stats? I'm thinking it's maybe just a poor/confusing choice of wording on Jon's part.

I think 'Lineup Updates' probably means formations and first team lineups.

I'm not too bothered by stat upgrades, but I would really have liked to have players like Wilshere, Carroll, etc. to have real faces - but it wasn't mentioned in the tweet either :(
 

iamcanadianeh

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We can only hope so.

Tru dat, but if he just meant transfers, then maybe "transfers" would have been a better term to use. For my money, "team lineup updates" means transfers plus stats. Yes, I'm being optimistic, but that's also how I actually read what he's saying.
 

YassirX

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I think there is a reason why the dlc has been delayed. I guess they are making a stat upgrade for the first time.
 

NemesisPRCU

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New team strips? does that mean spain and france are the only team kits updated this are the only teams i can think of that change kits.
Team lineup updates? so this most be the winter transfers update so i guess Dzeko will be at Man. City must likely with a preset face same about David Luiz at Chelsea.
I believe they updated few stats for players ex. Caroll, Suarez, Dzeko, and David Luiz they all made big money transfers. Whilshere, Kocielny, and Nasri should be updated also.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
After seeing the notice online yesterday with the details of the update listed, I no longer expect player stat updates. It was worded exactly the same a Jon Murphy's tweet, and although it's still unclear to me what they are saying exactly, I no longer really expect the stats to be changed. Only time will tell though.

I personally think they may be too afraid to piss people off who have Arshavin and others who deserve a downgrade. Not doing anything though seems like a shame, especially with players like Wilshere not being really anywhere close to how they should be.

Regardless, I'm going to continue to buy players who I think shoudl get an update. You never know.

Another one I'm thinking of picking up for cheap is Bannan (Aston Villa), currently rated only 56 overall.
 

Ali

It is happening again
After seeing the notice online yesterday with the details of the update listed, I no longer expect player stat updates. It was worded exactly the same a Jon Murphy's tweet, and although it's still unclear to me what they are saying exactly, I no longer really expect the stats to be changed. Only time will tell though.

I personally think they may be too afraid to piss people off who have Arshavin and others who deserve a downgrade. Not doing anything though seems like a shame, especially with players like Wilshere not being really anywhere close to how they should be.

Regardless, I'm going to continue to buy players who I think shoudl get an update. You never know.

Another one I'm thinking of picking up for cheap is Bannan (Aston Villa), currently rated only 56 overall.

So many players deserve an upgrade/downgrade in stats. If they were to do stat upgrades, they WILL miss some, and that's piss a lot of folk of.
 

StringerBell

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can anyone answer my question, do players in game who are not part of clubs but currently playing (either pes shop players or those on national teams licensed or not) do they get upgrades?
 

YassirX

Registered User
can anyone answer my question, do players in game who are not part of clubs but currently playing (either pes shop players or those on national teams licensed or not) do they get upgrades?

Most likely not. So theres no need to buy players like Nuri Sahin because of the upgrade.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
I like to play as Borussia Dortmund and I had to raise the stats on a few of the players that are in game. I mean Nuri Sahin a 71? Its a joke I now have him at a 75 AMF / CMF which I think is much more accurate.
 

RSI

Registered User
Interesting thread - but as it says in the title it is pure speculation. The whole stat thing is an interesting debate. Wilshire's name has been mentioned the most as deserving of an upgrade, but what stats do people think should change exactly? Have you considered there could be more to the players than just numbers? If memory serves, jack has overall 60 or 66, so you would expect him to be rubbish of course. Look, I would love for him to get upgraded as I am a gooner and have my MLO team made up strictly of arsenal and Liverpool players only (my mate supports pool and we share the team). However people need to understand that in pes jack is already very good indeed, if you know how to use him and remeber that he is very left footed then you can turn opposition players easily and (particularly if you get the angle right so he uses the outside of the boot) play incredible passes.

The bottom line is that stats are not the be all and end all. For gods sake look at the ML default players!

Now then, what is most interesting for me is that Ryo Miyachi could appear in the game now that he is playing for feyonord. I suppose Wellington da silva is too much to hope for and I'm still waiting for Jay Emmanuel Thomas. Hope Arsene puts him in the squad next year!

What will happen to Ronaldinho? Is it worth other people buying him if he is going to disappear now he has gone home?
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Interesting thread - but as it says in the title it is pure speculation. The whole stat thing is an interesting debate. Wilshire's name has been mentioned the most as deserving of an upgrade, but what stats do people think should change exactly? Have you considered there could be more to the players than just numbers? If memory serves, jack has overall 60 or 66, so you would expect him to be rubbish of course. Look, I would love for him to get upgraded as I am a gooner and have my MLO team made up strictly of arsenal and Liverpool players only (my mate supports pool and we share the team). However people need to understand that in pes jack is already very good indeed, if you know how to use him and remeber that he is very left footed then you can turn opposition players easily and (particularly if you get the angle right so he uses the outside of the boot) play incredible passes.

The bottom line is that stats are not the be all and end all. For gods sake look at the ML default players!

Now then, what is most interesting for me is that Ryo Miyachi could appear in the game now that he is playing for feyonord. I suppose Wellington da silva is too much to hope for and I'm still waiting for Jay Emmanuel Thomas. Hope Arsene puts him in the squad next year!

What will happen to Ronaldinho? Is it worth other people buying him if he is going to disappear now he has gone home?


Part of what we're talking about here though is player value. We're speculating about players who might get a stat and value boost because we want to make money! Sounds like cheating maybe, but it's actually really kind of fun and realistic IMO. If Konami have this marketplace concept set up, they might as well make the most of it...

Anyway, they might not improve stats anyway, in which case I will lose quite a bit of cash.

The point you're making about Wilshere though still doesn't make sense to me. Some of his stats are way off, for example:

Body balance: 65 (should be 70-75, maybe even higher since he has proven he can play a CMF/DMF role against the big boys in the Prem).

Stamina: 71 (should be much higher since he has played more games than any other player for the gunners this year and shown little or no sign of fatigue).

Offense and defense are 65 and 45 respectively. Should both be in the 70s.

Short pass acc 75 is too low, should be 80 or better.

Short pass speed of 68 is too low. This majorly affects his ability on the field in my experience.

Also, long pass acc, fk acc, swerve, shooting, teamwork, and form should be improved.

Currently he is 66 overall and IMO he should be min 73 max 77.
 

StringerBell

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Ronaldinho will still be in game! But yeah since its Libertadroes he might as well not be. Just base copy him in case.
 

Capt Canuck

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Part of what we're talking about here though is player value. We're speculating about players who might get a stat and value boost because we want to make money! Sounds like cheating maybe, but it's actually really kind of fun and realistic IMO. If Konami have this marketplace concept set up, they might as well make the most of it...

Anyway, they might not improve stats anyway, in which case I will lose quite a bit of cash.

The point you're making about Wilshere though still doesn't make sense to me. Some of his stats are way off, for example:

Body balance: 65 (should be 70-75, maybe even higher since he has proven he can play a CMF/DMF role against the big boys in the Prem).

Stamina: 71 (should be much higher since he has played more games than any other player for the gunners this year and shown little or no sign of fatigue).

Offense and defense are 65 and 45 respectively. Should both be in the 70s.

Short pass acc 75 is too low, should be 80 or better.

Short pass speed of 68 is too low. This majorly affects his ability on the field in my experience.

Also, long pass acc, fk acc, swerve, shooting, teamwork, and form should be improved.

Currently he is 66 overall and IMO he should be min 73 max 77.

Cmon, you're sounding like a serious Gooner fanboy :rolleyes:
Defensive rating in the 70s?! He plays as the forward thinking/looking one, to Song's defensive/disruptive focus in a deep midfield pair. Not minding getting stuck into a tackle doesn't mean you know how to play defense. 2 (two) league goals in 40 league matches - the only 40 he's ever played btw, don't really hint at needing a better shooting rating.

He has incredible potential and has performed really well this season and hopefully he doesn't buy into the hype or succumb to it. But for a video game which sets its stats in the Autumn, 66 is hardly a gross injustice. I am sure he'll be overated in PES2012 to overcompensate for it ;)
 

iamcanadianeh

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Cmon, you're sounding like a serious Gooner fanboy :rolleyes:
Defensive rating in the 70s?! He plays as the forward thinking/looking one, to Song's defensive/disruptive focus in a deep midfield pair. Not minding getting stuck into a tackle doesn't mean you know how to play defense. 2 (two) league goals in 40 league matches - the only 40 he's ever played btw, don't really hint at needing a better shooting rating.

He has incredible potential and has performed really well this season and hopefully he doesn't buy into the hype or succumb to it. But for a video game which sets its stats in the Autumn, 66 is hardly a gross injustice. I am sure he'll be overated in PES2012 to overcompensate for it ;)

Instead of rolling your eyes why don't you just state what your think his ratings should be (in your opinion)? Sure, because I'm a gooner the ratings I would want to see might be on the high side (what else would you expect), but certainly the ratings he has are out of whack!

Ok, so maybe the 70 defensive rating is high in hindsight, but 45? This guy has played as a defensive midfielder for England btw! So let's say just 15 or 20 stats points higher might be fair?

As for shooting, he's actually got a great shot, but rarely uses it. Sort of like Hleb but with ability ;)

...But no, his shot acc is 65, so maybe make it in the 70s at least since I can't recall him ever hitting a poor one.

So, yeah, I'm not saying put his stats through the roof, just little tweaks dude, like to say his pass accuracy should be 80 isntead of 75, when he's pulling the strings (making game-changing passes) against some of the biggest teams in the world on a regular basis.

I don't think that's fanboyism, and like I said, this thread isn't even about what we want to see, it's what we expect to see (trying to help others make some cash here!). I mean, if I was just being a fanboy I could argue his pass accuracy should be 85 even (really), but I'm not taking it that far. Just make it closer to what we've all seen in real life. Stamina 71? How about 75 or 80 for someone who runs at top speed almost all game and has played more games for the team than any other player this year? Mentality 60, how about something more reflective of a player who has performed well in big games and consistently well at that? Out of those 40 games, has he played badly in even one? Not that I can remember. How many players can you say that about? :no: Not many.

Anyway, there is a much more interesting point to be talked about here than the boring and typical "you're a fanboy if this or that" blather you see all over the web...

This point is, this really isn't about Wilshere at all. In fact, I think there's a real problem with how Konami rate young players. They've had this problem for a long time, and it has more to do with the lack of depth in their development system than anything else. I said this about the way they rated Rooney when he was younger too by the way. I mean, his shooting ability at that age was way under-rated. In other words, Konami don't seem to be able to model young and highly-talented players correctly, simply because if they try to do so they will get too good in ML by the time they are in their mid 20s.

I think that's the real problem. Just my opinion though. In fact, the way I see it, because of the development system they have they may not actually be able to make the kinds of stat changes they want to for Jack, which is sad really -- that their own system might limit their ability to give players ratings which are in line with their performances in real life.
 

Maurice78

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My biggest annoyance in pes2011 is the underrated ere divisie players.
some players that need a stat update in the ere divisie are:

Ado Denhaag: Verhoek, Toornstra, Immers
Ajax: Stekelenburg, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Sulejmani, Eriksen, de Jong, Suarez, Enoh
AZ: Wernblom
Twente: Ruiz, Douglas, de Jong, Brama, Janssen, Chadli
Heracles: Overtoom, Armenteros
Utrecht: Mertens, van Wolfswinkel, Duplan, Vorm -- stats down: Schut, Cornelisse
Roda JC: Janssen
Heerenveen: Dost, Grindheim
NAC Breda: Luijckx, Schilder
NEC Nijmegen: Vleminckx, Schöne, Goossens
Feyenoord: Castaignos, De Vrij
De Graafschap: Poepon, Hersi, Bargas
Vitesse: Matic
PSV: Dzsudzsak, Engelaar, Affelay, Toivonen
VVV: Boymans
Willem II: Swinkels, van der Heijden

All these players need a stat update and some more attention looking into there correct positions.
 

Ali

It is happening again
My biggest annoyance in pes2011 is the underrated ere divisie players.
some players that need a stat update in the ere divisie are:

Ado Denhaag: Verhoek, Toornstra, Immers
Ajax: Stekelenburg, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Sulejmani, Eriksen, de Jong, Suarez, Enoh
AZ: Wernblom
Twente: Ruiz, Douglas, de Jong, Brama, Janssen, Chadli
Heracles: Overtoom, Armenteros
Utrecht: Mertens, van Wolfswinkel, Duplan, Vorm -- stats down: Schut, Cornelisse
Roda JC: Janssen
Heerenveen: Dost, Grindheim
NAC Breda: Luijckx, Schilder
NEC Nijmegen: Vleminckx, Schöne, Goossens
Feyenoord: Castaignos, De Vrij
De Graafschap: Poepon, Hersi, Bargas
Vitesse: Matic
PSV: Dzsudzsak, Engelaar, Affelay, Toivonen
VVV: Boymans
Willem II: Swinkels, van der Heijden

All these players need a stat update and some more attention looking into there correct positions.

I can't see them spending much time updating the lesser known Eredivisie players, no matter how much the deserve it. I'll be surprised if there's any updates at all, if there is, I can only see it happening for the big players.
 

Rainey

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Pretty good roster and kit update. Unfortunately it's 40 days too late. Which is very bad in one aspect but very good in another aspect as it means they've been busy on PES 2012.
 
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