Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12

[Sabatasso]

Fifa 12 9 out of 10
PES 2012 4 out of 10

I don't agree.

My ratings are different.
Fifa 12 5/10
PES 12 6/10

Fifa = little or no lag online
Fifa = find an opponent with 10 sec or less
Fifa = amazing animations
Fifa = Spectacular gameplay
Fifa = increased difficulty ...start out on a lower setting to learn the game
Fifa = Updated rosters ...no fake names or kits, no patch needed
Fifa = Mind blowing in game tricks by highly skilled players
Fifa = real to life gameplay with rocking shooting

Italic = Fair points, but hardly news.
Bold = You're simply wrong.
Underline = What the hell are you trying to say? Are you implying that it's a special feature that only appears in Fifa?

This just states how unqualified you are to really have an opinion about either games. Pathetically enough, a video showing Fifa's greatest moments vs PES' worst moments is your only strategy in this discussion. You're persistent, though, I guess you could call that a good thing. However, I'm not so sure in your case.

 

[Perrinv2]

For people who have played both games how is the long shooting in comparsion?

For me in pro evo I find it very poor this year compared to previous years(pro 11 being the only year I didn't get).And by poor I mean not the actual shot itself but the amount of time its takes the player to get the ball out of their body and get the shot away.(this concerns long range shooting not short range)
Or am I alone in thinking this?

 

[OCKRASS]

For people who have played both games how is the long shooting in comparsion?

For me in pro evo I find it very poor this year compared to previous years(pro 11 being the only year I didn't get).And by poor I mean not the actual shot itself but the amount of time its takes the player to get the ball out of their body and get the shot away.(this concerns long range shooting not short range)
Or am I alone in thinking this?

That's pretty easy to figure out bro.....there is a thread on this forum named "how do you shoot in PES2012" ....that should more or less answer your question. From the video link i provided ...its obvious that Fifa 12 shooting is miles above PES 2012.

 

[OCKRASS]

...Pathetically enough, a video showing Fifa's greatest moments vs PES' worst moments is your only strategy in this discussion. You're persistent, though, I guess you could call that a good thing. However, I'm not so sure in your case.

:shocking:

As usual Sabatasso you guys always end up shooting urselves in the foot.

You didn't even look at the video link i posted.....

where did i post a video showing Fifa's best moments and PES worst .....?

Where did i post that?

As usual you didn't even bother to check did ya?

Just like the fact that you don't even play or own a Fifa game.

Pathetic ...bro ...just Pathetic.

You could have at least looked at the video.....:blush:

Sheesh!

 

[techboy11]

:shocking:

As usual Sabatasso you guys always end up shooting urselves in the foot.

You didn't even look at the video link i posted.....

where did i post a video showing Fifa's best moments and PES worst .....?

Where did i post that?

As usual you didn't even bother to check did ya?

Just like the fact that you don't even play or own a Fifa game.

Pathetic ...bro ...just Pathetic.

You could have at least looked at the video.....:blush:

Sheesh!

Hey OCKRASS,

Listen dude, I admire your persistence if nothing else, and your love for FIFA is unquestionable. BUT I have some questions for you -

Why do you use so much energy in coming on this PES forum day after day after day? It's a free country and all, but I'm just wondering why you do it? We all know your stance on things, you've contributed your point of view (time and again), but what you are adding now is nothing new. You have your set views on FIFA, which in your eyes is as close to footballing perfection as there is, and that's fair enough, so why keep on throwing up the FIFA v PES debate if you have nothing more, analysis wise, to add.

You use these forums and other PES forums as baramoters of the 'hate' of the game, but I can tell you, have you checked the FIFA forums lately? There are plenty more disgruntled FIFA players out there, all admitting that for the for the first month they thought the game was brilliant, but now absolutely hate the game as the glaring cheap tricks come through time and again. The hate for this year's product from the hardcore is massive.

Now, I go on the FIFA forums from time to time, but have I got the energy to constantly bash the game every day, in almost every post? No. I'll write up my thoughts, on both games, weigh up the relevant pros and cons of both games, and leave the rest to discussion. Even SEASONED hardcore players and lovers of FIFA are saying how much they hate the game this year! So something's amiss with your logic OCKRASS...

PES 2012 on the PS3 is just about passable for me, it is made better with Chimps stuff. The PC version is brilliant patched with either Jenkey or Yair's. Animations suck (but Yair and Jenkey have even improved that) and everything from the ball physics to different shot powers are being worked on constantly. The game, out of the box, isn't perfect, no where near. Yair and Jenkey and the like could piss all over the KONAMI developers ANY day of the week.

BUT, at least we have meshed together as a community and can get something out of the game. The lively life-like gameplay and randomness is what draws PES fans to PES.

FIFA has none of this. Regardless of sliders OCKRASS, there is just no variation in attcks apart from changing the pass error slider which makes Burton play like Burton and not Barce, but then all you do there is make sure every team universally gives the ball away. Whilst things like shooting can be debated on PES, and ball physics etc etc, these things for me, in FIFA, are truly game-breakers -

45/90 minute goals - how can this NOT be a game-breaker
World Class + - obvious CPU stat boosting, to out-reflex you on one on ones
Contain button - just a broken defensive system
Lack of proper inertia and momentum - just simple physics and body positioning without the NEED for any trick buttons should see anybody get past anybody if their body position is perfect and the CPU's isn't. A) there is no inertia/momentum system in FIFA, and B) the cpu on the higher levels reads where you are going a nano-second after you initiate the controller. Just silly.

NOW, we can talk all day about which is better and which isn't. My main point is why do you feel the need to troll your point everyday? If you want to sing the praises of FIFA, constantly, every day, then go on a FIFA forum!?!? I guarantee mind you'll have more hate directed towards you than on here, because those FIFA hardcore are well pissed off this year by the product. Now that's not to say that FIFA won't sell. FIFA will sell regardless of what they put in the box, their marketing and hold over the minds of this generation ensures they could just put a blank DVD in a box and people will say it's great!

Anyway, I've no doubt you'll continue to troll, I just admire your energy and passion for repetition. BUT, it is mind-blowing that you cannot see the faults of FIFA like I can see the faults of PES....to give FIFA a 9 is truly, and utterly, laughable!

 

[shaun7]

I looked at the video btw and it doesn't justify anything.

In fifa the shooting is not organic or natural and it doesn't depend on the player's position nor the player's shooting ability. It depends on the angle and wherever you are in the pitch in relation to your goal line, you will end up with the same result 2/3 times. So player positioning based on his angle at goal and indiividuality DO NOT EXIST in fifa. However, fifa has 1 thing over pes and that's direction. Fifa obeys your directions and I applaud fifa for that. But to say that the shooting is better JUST BECAUSE OF that (obeying your direction) and not calculating how cheap it is overall is just making you look like a clueless person who knows nothing about how football games should be.

I am not saying that pes shooting is miles better. NO. But to a point it is, because it calculates the individuality and the player's position in relation to the goal as well as his angle, something that fifa can dream about having. This is strictly about Fifa's so called "shooting" that people call an art. It's not.

By no mean I call pes shooting miles better than fifa. NO.It's actually quite annoying in pes when the game doesn't obey your direction, so Konami need to take a not and sort out that mess.

 

[PRINCE_OF_PES]

both games have ups and downs, whatever pes gets wrong fifa gets right and vice versa, fortunately for me i still keep my pes5/pes6 handy with an accurate updated option file at the ready every year, and i will keep doing this until either EA or Konami manage to create a football game that can give me the feeling of pes5/pes6 again.

 

[OCKRASS]

Hey OCKRASS,

Listen dude, I admire your persistence if nothing else, and your love for FIFA is unquestionable. BUT I have some questions for you -

Why do you use so much energy in coming on this PES forum day after day after day? It's a free country and all, but I'm just wondering why you do it? We all know your stance on things, you've contributed your point of view (time and again), but what you are adding now is nothing new. You have your set views on FIFA, which in your eyes is as close to footballing perfection as there is, and that's fair enough, so why keep on throwing up the FIFA v PES debate if you have nothing more, analysis wise, to add.

You use these forums and other PES forums as baramoters of the 'hate' of the game, but I can tell you, have you checked the FIFA forums lately? There are plenty more disgruntled FIFA players out there, all admitting that for the for the first month they thought the game was brilliant, but now absolutely hate the game as the glaring cheap tricks come through time and again. The hate for this year's product from the hardcore is massive.

Now, I go on the FIFA forums from time to time, but have I got the energy to constantly bash the game every day, in almost every post? No. I'll write up my thoughts, on both games, weigh up the relevant pros and cons of both games, and leave the rest to discussion. Even SEASONED hardcore players and lovers of FIFA are saying how much they hate the game this year! So something's amiss with your logic OCKRASS...

PES 2012 on the PS3 is just about passable for me, it is made better with Chimps stuff. The PC version is brilliant patched with either Jenkey or Yair's. Animations suck (but Yair and Jenkey have even improved that) and everything from the ball physics to different shot powers are being worked on constantly. The game, out of the box, isn't perfect, no where near. Yair and Jenkey and the like could piss all over the KONAMI developers ANY day of the week.

BUT, at least we have meshed together as a community and can get something out of the game. The lively life-like gameplay and randomness is what draws PES fans to PES.

FIFA has none of this. Regardless of sliders OCKRASS, there is just no variation in attcks apart from changing the pass error slider which makes Burton play like Burton and not Barce, but then all you do there is make sure every team universally gives the ball away. Whilst things like shooting can be debated on PES, and ball physics etc etc, these things for me, in FIFA, are truly game-breakers -

45/90 minute goals - how can this NOT be a game-breaker
World Class + - obvious CPU stat boosting, to out-reflex you on one on ones
Contain button - just a broken defensive system
Lack of proper inertia and momentum - just simple physics and body positioning without the NEED for any trick buttons should see anybody get past anybody if their body position is perfect and the CPU's isn't. A) there is no inertia/momentum system in FIFA, and B) the cpu on the higher levels reads where you are going a nano-second after you initiate the controller. Just silly.

NOW, we can talk all day about which is better and which isn't. My main point is why do you feel the need to troll your point everyday? If you want to sing the praises of FIFA, constantly, every day, then go on a FIFA forum!?!? I guarantee mind you'll have more hate directed towards you than on here, because those FIFA hardcore are well pissed off this year by the product. Now that's not to say that FIFA won't sell. FIFA will sell regardless of what they put in the box, their marketing and hold over the minds of this generation ensures they could just put a blank DVD in a box and people will say it's great!

Anyway, I've no doubt you'll continue to troll, I just admire your energy and passion for repetition. BUT, it is mind-blowing that you cannot see the faults of FIFA like I can see the faults of PES....to give FIFA a 9 is truly, and utterly, laughable!

Listen dude, I admire your persistence if nothing else, and your love for PES is unquestionable. BUT I have some questions for you -

Aren't you doing the same exact thing I am doing ?

Where do you find the time to write so much crap about both games?

Have you realized that the only people who gives a crap about my posts are You, Sabatasso and that two timing bastard Shaun7 who jumped the Fifa ship we were both on. WTF Shaun?

Why do you all keep responding to my obviously irritating non-informative posts?

If you find the answers to those questions my dear Tech ....you have found the reason I continue to post here.

 

[shaun7]

Why do you keep labeling me like that? I never jumped ships nor climbed them. I simply play games that are fun to play for me. Happy playing Ockrass. Oh and my post about the shooting was NOT aimed at you. It was aimed for everyone here. BTW, I know that you don't actually like fifa all that much. You do it to get the pes fans to hate you and write long posts aimed at you. Good luck man.

 

[Sabatasso]

:shocking:

As usual Sabatasso you guys always end up shooting urselves in the foot.

You didn't even look at the video link i posted.....

where did i post a video showing Fifa's best moments and PES worst .....?

Where did i post that?

As usual you didn't even bother to check did ya?

Just like the fact that you don't even play or own a Fifa game.

Pathetic ...bro ...just Pathetic.

You could have at least looked at the video.....:blush:

Sheesh!

I looked at the video, the earlier ones you've posted as well, and also watched the other PES videos you posted previously. Do you really have a memory wrapped in teflon? It's not like once you release a new post, all older posts are forgotten. It seems it's YOU that keeps shooting yourself in the foot.

But since you're posting your crap on every single footy related forum under the sun, it's hard for you to keep track of what you're actually saying where, other than your usual drivel.

You don't know my relationship with Fifa at all either, I actually own every version from 95 to 2001, then 2008, 2010 and 2012. Plus several Euro and WC editions.

And a slight correction, I don't give a rats ass about your posts, really. I enjoy bickering. Ask anyone at the forum... And I've already stated that this is a pointless discussion, because it does not really matter which is better. It's a point of view, not a definite answer.

 

[oggmeista]

Fifa although better than last years effort isnt that great yes its flaws are masked by slicker play licences excellent commentary..etc..but

wheres the simulation gameplay? its not there trust me, watch a game of real football and compare the player movements the positioning the way the play progresses the types of goalmouth action I could go on...

I agree with an earlier post which implied that PES shooting is poor in that its very difficult to hit long range shots I would agree here and this problem makes some of the manual control options virtually unuseable or at least at a disadvantage to automatic..when it shouldn't be

whaaaa?


Fifa = little or no lag online
fair point but do I care with unchallenging and unrealistic gameplay

Fifa = find an opponent with 10 sec or less
this is about server quality nothing to do with the game

Fifa = amazing animations
Really?

Fifa = Spectacular gameplay
lol You are kidding me
So spectacular infact that ?I uninstalled the game after a week (I only got it because of the Hype i was hearing) concluded it was just that hype...I find nothing beautiful in fifa about what I know is "the beautiful game"



Fifa = increased difficulty ...start out on a lower setting to learn the game

huh? Pro evo also has difficulty settings ..have I missed something here


Fifa = Updated rosters ...no fake names or kits, no patch needed

Yes true...... makes no odds for me though

Fifa = Mind blowing in game tricks by highly skilled players
again what about the core gameplay? tricks are just that tricks

Fifa = real to life gameplay with rocking shooting

lmao shootings ok but you dreaming? real life gameplay... whatever rocks yer boat m8 but it sure hell wont rock mine




Oh can somebody plz help me witha problem I have concerning dido smoke patch gold 2012... I feel as though i'm invisible or something :--(

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=88910

 

[Beetlebum]

Fifa = Updated rosters ...no fake names or kits, no patch needed

Yes true...... makes no odds for me though

That is not really true though... I mean, having to install an option file is not necessarily a bad thing for a game, as it gives the player more opportunities for customization.
For example, every PES player now has the three Newcastle kits with the Virgin Money sponsor and the Wolfsburg kits with the new UP! sponsor, while fifa players are stuck with the old kits. As for the national teams, most of them are not licensed in FIFA and its not possible to customize anything, so Brazil for example has a generic yellow and blue kit, while a customized Brazil in Pro Evo looks awesome...
So having fake but customizable kits is a plus for me...

 

[Sabatasso]

Fifa = Mind blowing in game tricks by highly skilled players
again what about the core gameplay? tricks are just that tricks

Not to mention that if it's that easy to blow his mind, then he should really stop playing computer games right now. Because if he happens to install one of the games that actually are of any quality, he will blow several fuses and enjoy the rest of his life as a vegetable.

 

[Perrinv2]

I agree with an earlier post which implied that PES shooting is poor in that its very difficult to hit long range shots I would agree here and this problem makes some of the manual control options virtually unuseable or at least at a disadvantage to automatic..when it shouldn't be

Someone agreed with me:shocking:

 

[kishores_bin]

Someone agreed with me:shocking:

I too agree with that unfortunately.. Long range shots are a dream in PES 2012..:realmad:

 

[thekidcastro]

Fifa 12 is superior to PES in everyway, stop being douche bags, pes players are a dying breed. Your one of a few people that actually play this dated game. I just logged back in to see whats up, all I read is posts on what game speed works well. Seriously if you need to tinker with a games mechanics thats much, it means its fu**** shit.

The crazy japs down at Konami and seabass has obviously done nothing to make pes the game it used to be, Im enjoying fifa, it absolutely pwns pes in every aspect of football games. Just cope it on the chin and move on... pes is never gonna be top dog again.

 

[techboy11]

Fifa 12 is superior to PES in everyway, stop being douche bags, pes players are a dying breed. Your one of a few people that actually play this dated game. I just logged back in to see whats up, all I read is posts on what game speed works well. Seriously if you need to tinker with a games mechanics thats much, it means its fu**** shit.

The crazy japs down at Konami and seabass has obviously done nothing to make pes the game it used to be, Im enjoying fifa, it absolutely pwns pes in every aspect of football games. Just cope it on the chin and move on... pes is never gonna be top dog again.

Ermm....no.....

PES has it's faults, and this last month I've been highly critical of certain aspects of the game as I play it more and more. But these are flaws which I'm picking up after like a thousand games. Other flaws that are immediate can be modded out (on the PC). Now, if your argument is against the console version, then I take your point about it not being up to scratch. A modded PC PES though, is a different kettle of fish altogether; probably the best football game ever.

The PES community is one that I really do love. We play the game constantly, analyse ALL the nuances and write as much about the bad as the good. The depth that we go into when discussing these football nuances is quite staggering, quite complex on times, and we back our arguments up fully on what is broken/messed up/good. We can write for Earth it seems, and all take in each others points however long winded and detailed.........

This cannot be said for the FIFA 'youz iz shit ha lol' brigade!

FIFA this year is basically a fkin travesty of a game. You talk about the need to 'change' gamespeed...well let me tell you you literally have to spend a year adjusting the sliders to get it to play like a game of football.

As you progress up the levels, the amount of CPU stat boosting is staggering. There are no such laws that govern the universe like momentum/inertia in FIFA, nothing at all. The 'possession game' in FIFA is just eye candy and a mere illusory tool, just to get you the human player, into set positions to get you one on one....no end of tweaking/formation changes/alterations can stop this; I've tried.

FIFA is a game that aesthetically looks the dogs bollocks. It plays lovely, right up until that point of blatant CPU cheating/stats boosting, where things like body position fails, impact engine fails, and the CPU scripting literally moves your entire defence about to let in the most ridiculous 45/90 minute goals.

CPU keepers don't hit their slider settings when it feels like, and their reaction times are just insane. Watch out for players bumping into each other, defensive CPU changes, players playing offside to let CPU through, inexplicable boosts in CPU sprint speed, 45/90 minute goals, players missing 8 one on ones/hitting posts 8 times, momentum cheat shifts, and the glitch one on ones, CPU scoring the same goal over and over and over again....

FIFA is a f'kin mess this year, to anyone that wants to play it on higher difficulties. From one game to the next, it barely makes any sense.

What FIFA has got going for it, is the animations, ball physics, acceleration in players (excellent IMO) and the shiny presentation. That's about it.

You don't learn any more or less after one game or a thousand games. It's just there, in a nice accessible package, plug and play at its best. Player stats don't make a difference, this has been proven on the FIFA forums time and time again, with people putting Steven Gerrard in goals and him performing like Oliver Khan. Or putting Reina up front and him scoring from all angles. The only stats that matter in FIFA are speed and strength, so a slower tactically thinking defender like say a Carragher or Terry, is pretty much like shit. You're better off putting Maxi Rodriguez in defence because he's faster. The contain function is like a chocolate teapot, basically useless and designed to patrol the CPU into your box. And your AI of your defence is probably the most shocking aspect of the entire game. It's shocking. Looking back on replays you can see just how piss-poor and shit they are; it's as if they make ALL the wrong decisions ALL the time, designed specifically to fk you up; with team-mates like these who needs enemies?!?

Bash PES all you like everyone has an opinion. But please check the FIFA forums this year fella, the hardcore are not a happy bunch! Its even more bitter and resentful on there than on here about this year's iterations!

 

[thekidcastro]

Ermm....no.....

PES has it's faults, and this last month I've been highly critical of certain aspects of the game as I play it more and more. But these are flaws which I'm picking up after like a thousand games. Other flaws that are immediate can be modded out (on the PC). Now, if your argument is against the console version, then I take your point about it not being up to scratch. A modded PC PES though, is a different kettle of fish altogether; probably the best football game ever.

The PES community is one that I really do love. We play the game constantly, analyse ALL the nuances and write as much about the bad as the good. The depth that we go into when discussing these football nuances is quite staggering, quite complex on times, and we back our arguments up fully on what is broken/messed up/good. We can write for Earth it seems, and all take in each others points however long winded and detailed.........

This cannot be said for the FIFA 'youz iz shit ha lol' brigade!

FIFA this year is basically a fkin travesty of a game. You talk about the need to 'change' gamespeed...well let me tell you you literally have to spend a year adjusting the sliders to get it to play like a game of football.

As you progress up the levels, the amount of CPU stat boosting is staggering. There are no such laws that govern the universe like momentum/inertia in FIFA, nothing at all. The 'possession game' in FIFA is just eye candy and a mere illusory tool, just to get you the human player, into set positions to get you one on one....no end of tweaking/formation changes/alterations can stop this; I've tried.

FIFA is a game that aesthetically looks the dogs bollocks. It plays lovely, right up until that point of blatant CPU cheating/stats boosting, where things like body position fails, impact engine fails, and the CPU scripting literally moves your entire defence about to let in the most ridiculous 45/90 minute goals.

CPU keepers don't hit their slider settings when it feels like, and their reaction times are just insane. Watch out for players bumping into each other, defensive CPU changes, players playing offside to let CPU through, inexplicable boosts in CPU sprint speed, 45/90 minute goals, players missing 8 one on ones/hitting posts 8 times, momentum cheat shifts, and the glitch one on ones, CPU scoring the same goal over and over and over again....

FIFA is a f'kin mess this year, to anyone that wants to play it on higher difficulties. From one game to the next, it barely makes any sense.

What FIFA has got going for it, is the animations, ball physics, acceleration in players (excellent IMO) and the shiny presentation. That's about it.

You don't learn any more or less after one game or a thousand games. It's just there, in a nice accessible package, plug and play at its best. Player stats don't make a difference, this has been proven on the FIFA forums time and time again, with people putting Steven Gerrard in goals and him performing like Oliver Khan. Or putting Reina up front and him scoring from all angles. The only stats that matter in FIFA are speed and strength, so a slower tactically thinking defender like say a Carragher or Terry, is pretty much like shit. You're better off putting Maxi Rodriguez in defence because he's faster. The contain function is like a chocolate teapot, basically useless and designed to patrol the CPU into your box. And your AI of your defence is probably the most shocking aspect of the entire game. It's shocking. Looking back on replays you can see just how piss-poor and shit they are; it's as if they make ALL the wrong decisions ALL the time, designed specifically to fk you up; with team-mates like these who needs enemies?!?

Bash PES all you like everyone has an opinion. But please check the FIFA forums this year fella, the hardcore are not a happy bunch! Its even more bitter and resentful on there than on here about this year's iterations!

Im fairly active on the fifa forums and dont see what your talking about.

I also used to be active on this forum until I found out Konami was selling me the same game with a different colour menu every year.

Have you ever played Fifa online, talk about smooth gameplay. If you adjust the speed offline and play online, how are you ever going to have rhythm of competitivness when your always fu**** around with the speed settings. Oh wait I just remembered, PES online is stupid and pointless. Does it even work?

Dude, ofcourse Im talking about the console version... football games are widely supported on consoles over pc and this is a fact.

The point Im making is, PC version tinkering to make it just right is kind of dumb to be honest and then calling it the best game ever. Maybe within your 4 walls...

Fifa is the future my friend, PES used to make good football games until they started to go tight ass on development and basically decided to just do the same thing over and over and over again. Ive paid my money for 11 years, its time to move on.

Fifa's gameplay is just right for me, it captures the fun of football. You all critic the game like your Jose Mourinho's. Seriously, how can YOU enjoy PES when its so broken every year. I'd pick plug and play over broken anyday. It takes me 3 minutes to start fifa and pick head to head seasons or my favourite ultimate team. I have no brother and would like to play another human for once in these 11 years. Fifa suits me fine... PES complaints.... seriously, online is the future, you guys sitting there talking about CPU opponents when in the REAL world. Who gives a f***, play online and that is what matters mate. See your not exposed to that because your just the same in backwards thinking as Konami.

:no: Seriously,the most hilarious thing is... playing midfielders and strikers as goalkeepers. Do you guys actually test this out? because you live very sad lives to actually point this out. Just play football mate, stop criticing the dumbest things ever.

Im happy that we can all have an opinion, but please I've played PES from day 1 and I know what its about. Ive tried something different and I really enjoy the online modes alot.

Get with the times...

 

[shaun7]

Fifa is the future my friend, PES used to make good football games until they started to go tight ass on development and basically decided to just do the same thing over and over and over again. Ive paid my money for 11 years, its time to move on.
(

Really? Really? Really?

I am in a position to reply because I don't support pes nor fifa. Heck, this year, I don't even play football games anymore but I have played both pes and fifa and fifa 12 is just a layer of smooth coating that blinds the individual up until the cracks start to emerge while pes has it's flaws wide open from the beginning. If you like fifa, good for you, but don't just come here and say the same things (like all other fifa fans) that pes used to be good but now fifa is king because it's clear from your post that you haven't played pes 12, maybe apart from online.

Fifa's gameplay is just right for me, it captures the fun of football. You all critic the game like your Jose Mourinho's. Seriously, how can YOU enjoy PES when its so broken every year. I'd pick plug and play over broken anyday. It takes me 3 minutes to start fifa and pick head to head seasons or my favourite ultimate team. I have no brother and would like to play another human for once in these 11 years. Fifa suits me fine... PES complaints.... seriously, online is the future, you guys sitting there talking about CPU opponents when in the REAL world. Who gives a f***, play online and that is what matters mate. See your not exposed to that because your just the same in backwards thinking as Konami.

Online, online online. Really? That's your review? You haven't even touched pes this year. Your only excuse that was real was the fact that pes has a broken online but guess what kid, online is not the whole game, online is a part of it. Yes konami deserves a slap in their faces for the stupid as heck online that they have in pes.

:no: Seriously,the most hilarious thing is... playing midfielders and strikers as goalkeepers. Do you guys actually test this out? because you live very sad lives to actually point this out. Just play football mate, stop criticing the dumbest things ever.

Calling techboy hilarious and not look at your post is just insanity because techboy went into huge detail about BOTH games and also proved his points with video evidence while you just came here and like all the fifa lovers said the same thing that "pes used to be good but now fifa is ahead" :no:

In fifa it doesn't really matter where you play your players, this is a fact like the fact that pes has a broken online. And that my friend is a sad thing because as I said, online is not the whole game. A good game has to have everything.

Playing football in real life won't solve the current problem that we don't have a good football game on the market. It's sad actually because online is not for everyone and many people like myself just love master league or manager mode and this year, we cannot have fun in them because both games aren't up to standard.

Im happy that we can all have an opinion, but please I've played PES from day 1 and I know what its about. Ive tried something different and I really enjoy the online modes alot.

No you haven't. Don't take my post personal, but if you like fifa, you have all the right, but don't come here and make fun of people who actually took the time to review both games. And again, online is part of the experience, it's not the experience.

 

[thekidcastro]

Really? Really? Really?

I am in a position to reply because I don't support pes nor fifa. Heck, this year, I don't even play football games anymore but I have played both pes and fifa and fifa 12 is just a layer of smooth coating that blinds the individual up until the cracks start to emerge while pes has it's flaws wide open from the beginning. If you like fifa, good for you, but don't just come here and say the same things (like all other fifa fans) that pes used to be good but now fifa is king because it's clear from your post that you haven't played pes 12, maybe apart from online.




Online, online online. Really? That's your review? You haven't even touched pes this year. Your only excuse that was real was the fact that pes has a broken online but guess what kid, online is not the whole game, online is a part of it. Yes konami deserves a slap in their faces for the stupid as heck online that they have in pes.




Calling techboy hilarious and not look at your post is just insanity because techboy went into huge detail about BOTH games and also proved his points with video evidence while you just came here and like all the fifa lovers said the same thing that "pes used to be good but now fifa is ahead" :no:

In fifa it doesn't really matter where you play your players, this is a fact like the fact that pes has a broken online. And that my friend is a sad thing because as I said, online is not the whole game. A good game has to have everything.

Playing football in real life won't solve the current problem that we don't have a good football game on the market. It's sad actually because online is not for everyone and many people like myself just love master league or manager mode and this year, we cannot have fun in them because both games aren't up to standard.




No you haven't. Don't take my post personal, but if you like fifa, you have all the right, but don't come here and make fun of people who actually took the time to review both games. And again, online is part of the experience, it's not the experience.

Mate, it sounds like a track on repeat.... I dont expect to win any awards coming on a pes forum preaching about fifa but my point still stands.

Techboy made more sense than you have and I wasnt trying to attack him. Just making my voice heard, pes has been the same game for the last 4 years and dont deny it.

So wait wait wait LOL, you dont support pes or fifa yet you back pes in this debate, dont be a fool. The reason you dont play football games is because your frustrated by pes and you suck at fifa.

Man, I am enjoying fifa 12, every single one before it sucked to be honest but this time around Im sold on the features they have implemented in the game. ITS ACTUALLY FUN mate, have you forgotten what football is about.. Football games do not need to be overly technical to be good, from my experience pes 12 is a peice of rubbish. And you can sit here and defend it, even worship it but Ive jumped ship Im afriad. Its no lie but a fact that pes players are outnumbered, Seabass deserves to be sacked in my opinion.

Cracks emerging, let me know when that happens... Ive been playing since release, couple of months now and ultimate team still has me entertained.

AND more importantly, I have made good points! I mentioned the tinkering of f**** game speed. Seriously thats f***** ridiculous man.

Stick to your stupid ISS man, its basically the same dated game with updated graphics.

PES should and from the sound of the latest news on the front page of pesgaming.com - sounds like Konami are considering taking a year off. I think they should just pack up the series man. I'll hold on to my classic pes games which were actually good.

I played PES 12 and actually returned it after a week, ive never done this with any game... then I tried Fifa 12 and am still blown away by the entertainment factor.

Face it man, this is the digital age, a game does not survive and pure fanbase... Online is a HUGE part of any game. PES couldnt understand that for 5 years plus...

Get a grip man, I want to enjoy a football game by scoring amazing goals. Not sit there with a pad and pen criticing every pixel of it.

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