wheresmark
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I don't think it's proven exactly, I just think games should be based on fact and actual events instead of future possibilities. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions though
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Future games could be adjusted if a player of increased ability comes into the fray. The game is made to a current date, so all things should be made based on what has happened, not on speculative things that could happen.
They could be adjusted, yes, But does a player being better at dribbling make Messi any less great at it ?
I think stats should be done as follows...
I will use speed as an example too make it easy, lets say Usain Bolt joins Manu
his pb for 100m is 9.58
that is really very close to whats possible from a human being
but lets just say 9.40 is the clean (natural genes and no roids)human limit
for 100m
9.40/9.58 is 0.981
So Usain Bolt would be given a speed rating of 98
Now lets see the fasted footballer on the planet is Adam Gemili
100m pb of 10.05
so 9.40/10.05 is 0.9353
so he would be given a speed rating 94 (rounded up)
but hes not in pes
Ryo Miyaichi is and his 100m time is 10.84 (from google so god knows if true)
9.40/10.84 is 0.87
so he would be given a speed rating 87
lets take a slower player , say mertesacker
have to use some guess work here but lets say hes around 13 sec 100m?
9.40/13 is 0.72 , so he would have speed rating 72
that system seems perfect for me
also football pitches are usually just over 100m so with that system it would take Miyaichi 11 secs to run the length of the pitch with sprint button held ingame(off the ball)
That would be perfect realism
at the moment the speed stats are not realistic at all
Walcott has 96? so he would almost keep up with Bolt with the current system(they would give him 99)
which is nonsense
With dribbling 99 would be the absolute perfect dribbler of the limits of the human body is capable which no one has yet
Messi and Maradona are probably the closet ever so give them 97
has anyone ever timed how long it takes a player to run the length of the pitch off the ball
need to try that later to see how realistic pes is lol.
man what a long post lol
Football is a game based on humans, so surely the best ever dribbler in the world should have a dribble accuracy of 99, just like the hardest striker of a ball ever should have 99 for kicking power - there is no point having the scale to 99 otherwise? the top scale attainable should be based on the best there has ever been at that attribute imo
I mean Fabio Borini presumably is going to be a 66 overall quite laughable - But if you want to talk about underrated as a whole Copa Libretadores some of those players are just unusable.
I'm a man utd fan and I wouldn't take ronaldo back instead of Valencia in a heartbeat, I love valencia but Ronaldo is on a different scale. He is easiest the second best attacking player in the world, and his close control is pretty damn good, especially at speed. But yeah he is probably slightly op. But Messi isn't, he is the best in the world so surely he should get 99 for dribble accuracy imo, he is the best dribbler in the world so surely needs to have top marks?
Lol i just timed walcott on the training pitch with standard game speed
in pes 2012 he clocked 14.4(roughly hand timed) secs for the full length
thats off the ball (which was pain as i had to set fixed player lol)
lets say the football pitch is 104m
and lets say its a soft pitch and allow a gererous half second for that
even with that they are way off being realistic
walcott (speed 97) he should be running the full length in at least 11.2-12.0 secs
so the game players are around 83 percent of the speed they should
so in the pro evo world the fastest players can only clock a 14.0 for the 100m
thats way off realisim
Remember though Footballers run on grass in football boots. They dont run on perfect flooring in training shoes like sprinters.
Also remember sprinters relax and only do that one time. If they restarted and went again 5 minutes later they wouldnt get near their original time.
A footballer runs about for 90 minutes, if they ran 100m in 14 seconds during a game theyd need 3 minutes atleast to recover.