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Save PES 2010 - Potential AI fix - Well Worth the Read

Rama78

Registered User
Please Read. Yes its Long but could be of Great Benefit to you all

Ok, first of all I am on the Xbox 360 but that doesnt really matter to what I am going to talk about here except for the fact that the Konami update ruined the created German Teams I had after applying Daymos and Cowsons fantastic V1.5 Option File.

I have been holding off starting a Master League because I wanted to wait til everything was right and I thought it would have been after the Konami Update. I do feel the referee actually gives me free kicks now and cards to the AI! I also feel the game is slightly slower. Maybe I am cracking up? Anyone else feel the same.

Anyway, I cracked on with a new master league last night with just Bayern Munich as one of the german teams added to the D2 league as Stuttgart and Wolfsburg had the stupid made up players back in their respective teams as a result of Konami's update (yip, Konami said this wouldnt happen but it did). :-(

There wasnt enough players from the national squads to make up the Stuttgart and Wolfsburg teams although I did manage to get enough to get a squad of about 16 or so together for Munich.

Anyway, before I started I went through every team including the National teams and edited a couple of things in the assisted settings for them all.

The first slider in the Assisted Settings is:

Lineup: I set this to no 2 so that the computer will select the best team for the team I will be playing according to both ability and form.

What I did notice when doing this is the fact there are many teams within the game who certainly don't start with their best players and when I selected this option players who were subs came into the team with noticably better stats!

Doing it this way they will off course also pick some players with lesser stats from time to time but this is very realistic anyway as you wouldnt want a player on bad form to be in the team anyway! Poor touch, shot, dribbling, control, slower etc etc.

The other slider I selected was the very bottom one. Again go to Game Plan, then Assisted Settings, and then the Last slider and move it to no.3 (play a more balanced game of attack and defence). Well it says something like that. Im at work at the moment and cant check :-(

I started a Master League last night and I have already noticed the difference to be honest.

There was also another slider in the Assisted Settings that had something to do with Formation Settings. I think there was one that said something along the lines of Change Formation to suit the Game Situation. I never altered it but to me this could mean if the AI are losing they might alter their formation shape to a more attacking one in search of an equaliser.

To me the Game Plan Assisted Settings might be the so called Holy Grail to this game and one which could change the Master League and overall AI to be a lot more exciting and challenging.

I personally think changing these Assisted Settings could open up a whole new experience to the way the AI play and I really dont understand why Konami have them all set to manual. I think they should have been altered but werent before the game was released? Weird I know

To me they seem like they can alter a lot to make this game much better!

We know Konami can be lazy and maybe, just maybe, they left it like this for us to alter and thus make the game play and act the way we want it.
 

douglas93

Registered User
I have started changing the attack balance to 3/4 it does make a slight difference, in that the AI doesnt spend all game passing around the back 4. I am sure you are right - the answers in there somewhere, but begs the question why Konami set all opponents to 0 attack balance? leaving us to have to change it? did no one test this game?
 

Rama78

Registered User
I have started changing the attack balance to 3/4 it does make a slight difference, in that the AI doesnt spend all game passing around the back 4. I am sure you are right - the answers in there somewhere, but begs the question why Konami set all opponents to 0 attack balance? leaving us to have to change it? did no one test this game?



Exactly mate it is weird. It just seems as if its unfinished or something.

There is no doubt in my mind that it is still Classic PES in the fact that teams and players are different etc but why didnt they also adjust these things for each team the way they did with the team style sliders?

I originally did start a thread about changing the bottom slider to no.4 (More attacking) but I dont want every team to be set this way incase they become to vulnerable at the back if you know what I mean. I think no 3 may be best as they are all balanced then.
 

redstar5

Registered User
I generally don't have a problem with the gameplay of PES10, but this thread does highlight an issue regarding the uniformity of playing styles. On this forum, the virtue of working for opportunities has been stressed as a strength of this year's PES. However, not all teams play like Arsenal - slick passing and a focus on attacking. There are some EPL sides (Bolton, Birmingham, Stoke etc) that will happily get everyone behind the ball, get in opposition players' faces and launch diagonal 'fight' balls. Not pretty, but such tactics have had success against possession football (as Arsenal fans could probably testify).

Whilst adjusting sliders might artifically get negative sides playing more offensively than their real-life counterparts, there is no slider that truly mimics tactical variety, whether that be suffocating possession or more 'Wimbledon-esque' direct play.
 

RN50

Registered User
sound interesting Rama, will give it a go when i dl and option file. Does any1 know which OF works / doesnt change now that the konami update has arrived? im only really looking at prem teams not really botheres about championship or german teams.
 

prabi

Registered User
hmmn fact remains...konami need to give us a better update SOON , to do with the gameplay .
 

Rama78

Registered User
I'll have to try this out... About how long did the full edit take you?



I did all the teams mate including the International ones and it honestly only takes around 30-40 minutes.

sound interesting Rama, will give it a go when i dl and option file. Does any1 know which OF works / doesnt change now that the konami update has arrived? im only really looking at prem teams not really botheres about championship or german teams.



What console are you on mate?
 

NickPGL

Registered User
Good stuff - will give this a go later. Really enjoying the game however any opportunities to fine tune things sound good to me.
 

Rama78

Registered User
Good stuff - will give this a go later. Really enjoying the game however any opportunities to fine tune things sound good to me.


you will prob have to start a new master league mate after editing the teams. I am not sure it will carry over if you are already in one

on the ps3.



I am on the 360 mate and I have used Daymos & Cowsons Option File.

I think there are loads of PS3 OF's out there. There are plenty in the editing and option files section on this site as well as PesFan and Evo Web etc
 

gingerbradman

Registered User
tried the changes and its like getting a new game, especially if you make the teams like real life, e.g man u always attacking etc etc etc and bolton super defensive
 

pablodiscobar

Registered User
Will this change how teams play in BAL? Very important question for me. If so i guess i would have to start a new be a legend mode once I have made the suggested changes?
 

gingerbradman

Registered User
Will this change how teams play in BAL? Very important question for me. If so i guess i would have to start a new be a legend mode once I have made the suggested changes?

not too sure on this one. probably need to start again but maybe its the same as when you change the kits etc it might just change as you go

dont want to go on too much about this but been playing all day and these changes are awesome. regards. x
 

trueblade

Registered User
I have seen this idea pushed around a few times now...and feel that maybe people aren't giving this suggestion as much notice as I think they should. I personally haven't yet implemented it because I am waiting for a post patch option file to start my master league.

But certainly would like to see more feedback on how this idea is developing!
 

douglas93

Registered User
I did give it a good go over the weekend, I can reiterate rama's advice to keep it at 3 - I tried 4 and 5 for the attack balance and the AI becomes too open- you actually get more goals as their defence pile up to join the attack and game becomes too easy. 3 seems about right.
 

Nturtle

Mr. Kung Fu Soccer
Thanks for the tip Rama. Any advice on the balance for each team? I am not as familiar with some of the other European leagues. I guess the option to make it all on slider 3 is there
 
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