Scripting in action - extremely blatant

[simononestop]

its like when you are beating a team much better than your team! (eg im villa against Bayern Munich in the champions league original teams still) 1 - 0 up hanging in the all over them and stopping all attacks---- up till the 79 min then oh shock they score not a thing you can do got 4 defenders hacking the only 1 attacker near the box he twists through all of them and scores.

That's scripting!!

but I just take it, its prob what would happen in real life lol

 

[fatehasfans]

its like when you are beating a team much better than your team! (eg im villa against Bayern Munich in the champions league original teams still) 1 - 0 up hanging in the all over them and stopping all attacks---- up till the 79 min then oh shock they score not a thing you can do got 4 defenders hacking the only 1 attacker near the box he twists through all of them and scores.

That's scripting!!

but I just take it, its prob what would happen in real life lol

In a blunt nutshell yes that is an example of the scripting to which I am referring to and on a side note scoring always seems to happen around the 70-80 min mark.

But this is my problem, what is the point of trying to create a team, fill in weaknesses, create strategies and links, when this is how the system works?
With the current AI system it's pointless, and so is pretty much every other aspect of a player's input i.e. skill, intelligence and creativity etc. None of it really means a thing when the game is built upon such an internally dictative system!

I also know other people who use that argument "ohh but it's what would happen in real life" to counter a lot of shit in PES and I simply don't agree, real life football is random, something that cannot be fully controlled, yet the philosophy of a computer game is the complete polar opposite, you have controls and it is down to the individual to create the randomized outcome (not the computer). So thus if you press a button (all things equal) then in a computer game you should have the same result 100% of the time, yet this is simply not how PES works, because at any given time during the game your controls can have a randomized outcome (all things equal) so regardless of skill and competency level you are NEVER in full control (which is understandable if it were merely an obstacle for the player to overcome but it isn't, it is a dictative lever the AI uses to manipulate scenario outcomes) and so because it is in fact the AI who is in pretty much complete control and not the user I feel this is fundamentally wrong - the controls should be consistent 100% and it should be solely the skill of the player that determines an outcome (enforced by strong programming to help create a fair and dynamic challenge) not the computer just momentarily altering the controls and physics whenever it wants.

It's just not cricket! Or football! It's a cheap and nasty way to program, instead of creating an adaptive interactive AI to be overcome purely by the skill of the player they've simply opted for scripts as the primary mechanism in deciding scenario outcomes.

 

[Fishey55]

I stopped playing PES because of this very reason. In every ML game I played I could easily score from the top of the box as long as the score was tied or I was down a goal. As soon as I would go up a goal all the 'luck' would go to the COM. I could defend but why? If the COM ties it I could just go back to the top of the box and score again. Playing lessor teams where I could dominate possession I would wait until the 90' mark to score then only have to defend for a minute or so, and still had a draw!

 

[bigblue190512]

Not sure what all the complaints are about. Think I've only conceded 10 goals in 30 odd matches in ml on supersrar. Occasionally the cpu will do something I can't do anything to stop, but that's football.

The only things that are frustrating me is the lack of fouls, the ease of superstar, the constant night time games in ml, and having to wait 6 weeks for the update!

This is the first pes I've bought since 2011, I gave up on fifa last year, as it just felt unenjoyable grinding out wins on legendary.

 

[fatehasfans]

Not sure what all the complaints are about. Think I've only conceded 10 goals in 30 odd matches in ml on supersrar. Occasionally the cpu will do something I can't do anything to stop, but that's football.

The only things that are frustrating me is the lack of fouls, the ease of superstar, the constant night time games in ml, and having to wait 6 weeks for the update!

This is the first pes I've bought since 2011, I gave up on fifa last year, as it just felt unenjoyable grinding out wins on legendary.

Hi bigblue,
I am referring to online play (namely MyClub), not offline. Offline has very little scripting.

 

[SSJvornander]

Offline has very little scripting.

Yet the other post above says they stopped playing ML because of it.

The AI does not "decide" its time to score or concede a goal. That is a rationalization you invent after the fact.

If I wrote down the match events from a real game of football, a game of Football Manager, FIFA and PES, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them with regards to scripting.

 

[fatehasfans]

Yet the other post above says they stopped playing ML because of it.

The AI does not "decide" its time to score or concede a goal. That is a rationalization you invent after the fact.

If I wrote down the match events from a real game of football, a game of Football Manager, FIFA and PES, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them with regards to scripting.

Sorry, my apologies, the reason I said that was because I was referring to my own settings that being Offline on Beginner which practically eradicates scripting (but also slightly lobotomises the computer in the process). The fact is scripting (we really should create a new term because it is not as straight forward as that) determines pretty much every outcome of every event but the scripting can come on or off like a switch (which is why I would prefer a different term).

When I play PES I don't feel in control, even when things are working because I know that at any given point my players might get 'sucked' away from the ball or start moving randomly or not responding momentarily in crucial situations. I don't really want to repeat all the issues created by scripting again so if you don't notice it then fine that's great for you, but it has all but killed my desire to pick up the pad and play.

Simply knowing what way the AI works makes me cringe and in fact the whole system kinda stinks. Each time I play MyClub for 90% of the match I feel like a lemming chasing the ball only for AI to pass or do some necking breaking instant-reverse-twist-counter-turn-dummy-switch the moment I'm about the nip the ball, or even I make a successful tackle only for my player to slow down, slip, fall, get pushed and AI just picks up the ball anyway - countless times this happens and usually after 5 mins of me chasing around players like a gopher. Add to that the play when I win the ball and when I'm not 'handed' a goal scoring chance my players don't find space or they simply run off together down the line and kill any support options if I turn back with the ball I'm already getting closed down and this 'tunnelling' happens over and over. I could add more to this list of inconsistent behaviour but I want to go to bed so I'll just say that when this stuff happens, when your team starts playing like shit i.e. players running into one another, players dragged out of position by that invisible force during crucial moments, highly biased deflections and/or referee decisions, unresponsive cursor, support options instantly drying up once you hit the midfield area, controls becoming inconsistent or not working at all or my favourite 'the hologram tackle' (where you put out your leg and make a timed tackle only for AI to simply run through it) all usually at crucial times, over and over blah blah blah when this happens I would then say that the other team currently has the "Advantage" (my new word for scripting), so when everything suddenly comes back and your players move as they should again and everything works, funny enough your players start making runs and you have clear chances to score then you have the advantage AND THIS IS WHAT I HATE!

The game seems fundamentally based around this system and I'm really tired of being a puppet because that's exactly how I feel when running around and pressing buttons when none of it means a damn thing.

In this game I don't feel in control of my own destiny which considering it is a game (unlike real football) I should be. So I am finished with PES until this system gets a makeover, I'm tired of being a puppet running from defender to defender during games slipping and sliding like some twat all waiting on the moment the computer permits me some play. Nah fuck that, I want a game where I am in complete control and the mistakes are my own, I want to get beat on a level playing field with no interference from the AI and every year it gets worse. Thankfully I spent no money on this game, I played MyClub hoping to see a change in the later stages but after many games or the same nonsense it's clear that none of it means a thing because of the underlying system of dictation and on top of everything else the whole MyClub setup is sickening.

 

[Fishey55]

I said ML, and what I'm seeing I may have confused with scripting.

Whats happening to me is once I get clear in the top of the penalty box within the half circle (sorry 1st soccer game) I can score every time. As long as the score is tied or I'm down a goal. As soon as the I'm up, the COM plays completely different. In one game where I played a lessor team, I actually kept the score 0-0 until the 89' mark, scored then had the COM all of a sudden wake up and tie me in overage. I even restarted the same game and held out to score, in overage myself.

Again didn't mean to Hijack.

 

[Rat Monkey]

I said ML, and what I'm seeing I may have confused with scripting.

Whats happening to me is once I get clear in the top of the penalty box within the half circle (sorry 1st soccer game) I can score every time. As long as the score is tied or I'm down a goal. As soon as the I'm up, the COM plays completely different. In one game where I played a lessor team, I actually kept the score 0-0 until the 89' mark, scored then had the COM all of a sudden wake up and tie me in overage. I even restarted the same game and held out to score, in overage myself.

Again didn't mean to Hijack.

What your specifically experiencing is the AI changing tactics. When you score the AI changes tactics and even when it scores, and also when coming towards the end of a game the AI also changes tactics. Take a look at bottom left or right hand corner(Depending which is the AI side, you can see your tactics changing in the opposite side when you change them in game) of the screen during the match.

 

[Fishey55]

I think my biggest problem is not the change in AI, but the fact I can easily score from the same spot once they tie it up again. I played an ML game last night as Valencia against Villarreal. The final was 4-3 and all four of my goals came from the same spot, immediately after Villarreal scored.
I play on Pro with 15 min qtr. I'd be curious if anyone else can recreate it?

 

[Rat Monkey]

I think my biggest problem is not the change in AI, but the fact I can easily score from the same spot once they tie it up again. I played an ML game last night as Valencia against Villarreal. The final was 4-3 and all four of my goals came from the same spot, immediately after Villarreal scored.
I play on Pro with 15 min qtr. I'd be curious if anyone else can recreate it?

The keepers are kinda shit. Take a look at this thread. http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=98570

Also, the game is utterly simple on Professional. I'm not surprised you find the game easy to score. You must be scoring a crazy amount of goals on that skill level in 15 min matches. I mean, even Superstar can be quite easy this year.

 

[Fishey55]

Lol I had my moments, I started on regular ;-) To be honest until I found the 'spot' my games on Pro were pretty challenging and I was getting realistic results.

I'll give TP or SS a go and hope a patch takes care of the goalie.

 

[fatehasfans]

A video example of scripting

Hi guys,
I have uploaded a short video taken from a MyClub game that highlights one type of scripting, hold your ears commentary included!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbql5SC0l_k

 

[EthanLionel]

Hi. I believe there's scripting going on in the game. I don't play online so it's not a very big issue for me.

However, the video you posted is not a good example. I don't even think there's a scripting going on in your video.

Firstly, the header pass is too far for your player to get it. The opponent got it since the ball is moving towards him.

In regards to the player sidestepping when the ball is in front of him, It's a bug that is very common in the game. I experienced it several times. They have to fix that. It's not scripting since it's happening with or without the opponent near the ball.

 

[rebelinho]

It's not scripting since it's happening with or without the opponent near the ball.

You touched an interesting point there. For me scripting is some kind of bug (that's it it is right?) that only affects you, and not the opposition AI. This said, what happened in the video can, probably, be called scripting. For me, at least.

 

[matthewjohn85]

Hi guys,
I have uploaded a short video taken from a MyClub game that highlights one type of scripting, hold your ears commentary included!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbql5SC0l_k

hi mate how do you upload a video please? i know how to do a image , i click on insert image and paste url in but how do i do a video please? thanks

 

[EthanLionel]

You touched an interesting point there. For me scripting is some kind of bug (that's it it is right?) that only affects you, and not the opposition AI. This said, what happened in the video can, probably, be called scripting. For me, at least.

Actually, it doesn't matter if there's an opponent near the ball or not. I just use that as an example. What I really mean is that bug happens in situations where in noone(Player1/AI/Player2) will be gaining any significant advantage.

I believe that scripting, to be called scripting is done intentionally by the game creators. That's why it's called scripting, there is a script/instruction/coding/trigger for it to happen.

A bug is different, it happens in the game that the makers of the game didn't intentionally want to happen.

 

[Rat Monkey]

Hi guys,
I have uploaded a short video taken from a MyClub game that highlights one type of scripting, hold your ears commentary included!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbql5SC0l_k

I've watched your video and I don't see proof of anything from my experience. If those EXACT things happen all the time in the game, why aren't I noticing it? Or is that just an example of what you think is scripting? Are you saying specifically those exact things happen all the time? From my lack of experience with SPECIFICALLY whats in your video, I can easily just judge those as small bugs that happen now and again.

 

[rebelinho]

I believe that scripting, to be called scripting is done intentionally by the game creators for it to be called scripting. That's why it's called scripting, there is a script/instruction/coding/trigger for it to happen.

A bug is different, it happens in the game that the makers of the game didn't intentionally want to happen.

I still believe they are nice, honourable people and it is just a mistake, not a premeditated part of the game.

 

[Rat Monkey]

You touched an interesting point there. For me scripting is some kind of bug (that's it it is right?) that only affects you, and not the opposition AI. This said, what happened in the video can, probably, be called scripting. For me, at least.

Scripting and bugs are entirely different things. Scripting is intentional interference on your controls by the game, while bugs are unintentional.