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Lastly, why is it so hard to make a simple football game with simple controls no AI interference and complete control? I mean its beginning to happen on phone games - Why not back to basics, think Sensible Soccer - it's so easy at grassroots (forgive the pun) so why does all this 'muddy' AI nonsense even need to be added in the first place? ...
The refereeing is annoying but not game breaking for me.
However, the goalkeepers have been game breaking for me. I haven't played PES for weeks because of this. I'm really starting to worry that they wont be fixed.
Now that you've witnessed it, it's pretty disgusting right? It has all but killed the game for me, without it the game is great but when I think about how little I am in control I just don't bother. I want to be able to play other people and pit my skill and wits against theirs and with this system I can't do that fairly. So I'm out. Roll on 17, 18, 19....
I'm not really sure what the point is here.
My problem are the moments when control is momentarily taken away and when my players decide to do 'silly' involuntary things that when added together equate to the AI essentially handing my opponent an advantage (of sorts) for a given period of time. Now, I was calling these moments of madness 'scripting' but if you had read my posts you would have noticed that I have tried to change that term by rephrasing it as 'advantage' play since there are many interpretations of what scripting is.
Regarding your last sentence, my personal frustration comes solely from this problem, so it's not something that can be fixed simply by walking away or taking a break because when you come back it's still there, just as consistent, and sadly there is no remedy other than not playing altogether.
Now, had the frustration come from my own psychological inability to deal with a fair defeat then yes I understand it's time for a break, in which case I would then go play with my wife *cough* I mean kids but regrettably it's not that kind of frustration.
Furthermore, I don't think anyone is arguing. Some people, for whatever reason, simply don't see it and tbh I wish that was me, but sadly I do see it and what I see is horrid.
Lastly, why is it so hard to make a simple football game with simple controls no AI interference and complete control? I mean its beginning to happen on phone games - Why not back to basics, think Sensible Soccer - it's so easy at grassroots (forgive the pun) so why does all this 'muddy' AI nonsense even need to be added in the first place? Because when you play offline on Easy settings its practically gone so it's a something that is added to when a certain setting or mode is triggered to maintain a repressive form of balance and I think this is completely wrong. Perhaps Konami will wake up soon and learn to KISS.
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PES has been dead for years....now its just "PES Zombie" mode.
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I'm like a broken record, but I wish people who ditched FIFA a few years ago would at least give it a good try, it has changed a hell of the lot- for the better.
To hell with the Bhatti Bhoys, I'm tired of the ConArmy and their knavish tricks!
*Breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeathe*
I get that some of the posts about scripting might be a bit exaggerated but how can you people seriously deny this happens in PES? It has been a staple in this series for years (it's definitely a big part of FIFA too, though).
I am a Fifa player for years now but grab the demo of PES every year since 2008. Fifa blows PES out of the water ...in my opinion. This years' Fifa release has seen a lot more fans appreciating the slower game play, removal of speed demons, removal of lobbed through ball, removal of player cross or corner accuracy.....and i can go on. Less cursing at the game overall. PES player models are gorgeous...but thats it. Fifa is the way forward, its sales number do not lie...
I've bought (for my sins) every FIFA since 'FIFA 2001' except for 'FIFA 09', so I've witnessed the gradual switch from arcade-like to simulation-like gameplay.
I bought PES 3 to 6, then the disaster that was PES 2008. I bought PES 2011/13/14- then last year I traded the game (2015) very early on, the same this year (2016). I have now learnt my lesson (just like with PES 2008) and will certainly NOT purchase PES when it is first launched next year. In fact I will not buy it at all if it's just a 'fix' of this year's version.
FIFA has taken such a bad rap (in certain quarters) this year because it is the closest to simulation-like gameplay that it has ever been. Nick Channon's team have done tremendously well this year- he's possibly the best producer FIFA has had. EA can't win, they make it more like how PES used to be (albeit with much better technology today), and the kids who want 7-8 scorelines are crying into their Cornflakes!
This is the first time where I don't feel robbed out of a win, even if the CPU scores near the end (in two seaons it has only happened a few times- and I have won near the end as well- fair enough(!))- I used to hate that about the older versions of FIFA. I have had some really fair results (Professional/full manual/slow speed).
Anyway, those people complaining about FIFA are apparently too dumb to change the sliders/skill settings/speed etc. I haven't even changed any slider settings this year, I love possession play, and games tend to be very even and fair. I can relax playing it, with PES it's like a wrestling match, trying to tame a savage beast (the CPU AI). For me, it's the iteration that finally eclipses PES 5 (as my favourite all-time football game) - I have a lot of fondness for that game, but technology has moved on so much since then...
Dude, that is exactly how I see it also.
The only reason I am here is because of this great site (Pesgaming) along with the fun of messing with delusional fans and of course PES was the first footie game I ever played. I will never hate the game but I ssoooo despise its' recent designers along with Konami's lack of interest for genuine improvement. I hope and pray ever year that it becomes relevant.....but the Demos keep me away.
Fifa can be a pain to play also, but at least I can see the improvements. The game is closer to reality for me than PES. Can you imagine that in 2016 no player can "juggle" a ball in PES 2016? Isn't that an integral part of football?
PES has died ...a few years ago. It can only come back as a Zombie, which i believe .....it has. :wave:
Peace
After all you have Trapp as GK, seems to be legit
Sorry, had to do it