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Spamming of Speed Merchants/throughballs?

yodi10

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managed to get two decent centre halves and the VDM problem seems to have been erradicated....for now.the issue just requires a bit of extra concentration

i recall 2012 mlo been super hard to begin with...just have to persevere till you obtain decent calibre of players to express yourself
 

iamcanadianeh

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managed to get two decent centre halves and the VDM problem seems to have been erradicated....for now.the issue just requires a bit of extra concentration

i recall 2012 mlo been super hard to begin with...just have to persevere till you obtain decent calibre of players to express yourself

Give it some time. I think you will see that it's not "eradicated." Who are the CBs you're using? They certainly help a bit, but it's also a matter of who you play against. You might just come up against a series of fair players if you're lucky, or players who aren't effective with the throughball (but try it anyway). Anyway, keep us posted if you think this really works for you and share a bit more details! Honestly, unless you're talking about top, top, defenders, I
I've tried players with 80 speed, 85 def, 80 response, and 85 body balance and it still didn't help. The problem is their positional stupidity, leaving gaps even when man marking and deep in the back (or any tactic I have tried).
 

yodi10

Registered User
Give it some time. I think you will see that it's not "eradicated." Who are the CBs you're using? They certainly help a bit, but it's also a matter of who you play against. You might just come up against a series of fair players if you're lucky, or players who aren't effective with the throughball (but try it anyway). Anyway, keep us posted if you think this really works for you and share a bit more details! Honestly, unless you're talking about top, top, defenders, I
I've tried players with 80 speed, 85 def, 80 response, and 85 body balance and it still didn't help. The problem is their positional stupidity, leaving gaps even when man marking and deep in the back (or any tactic I have tried).


i have Garay and Mertesecker...with the latter having the Lunging tackle.

Do you play with a DM...if so its quite effective for them to have the Anchor man card...my holding midfielder when on the defensive seems to pop up inbetween my centre halves and if needed behind the defensive line as a temporary sweeper.hes on a 77 rating.definitly a great help with through balls
 

Soccerdude

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Mertesecker is slow and garay has less responsiveness i think.....wait till you are 70 minutes into the game and they tire out....screwed! another cheap player people are spamming through passes to are bianby,doumbia....idiots should go and play a 2d game of who plays the long ball quickest instead of spoiling our experience.
 

yodi10

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Mertesecker is slow and garay has less responsiveness i think.....wait till you are 70 minutes into the game and they tire out....screwed! another cheap player people are spamming through passes to are bianby,doumbia....idiots should go and play a 2d game of who plays the long ball quickest instead of spoiling our experience.

your not wrong was gonna mention ive got two rapid full backs check out wagner a right back who is billed as a rmf...very strong and quick...only 3m also got a decent back up centre half for when they tire...i always aim to buy versatile players as i only have a squad of 16.
 

Soccerdude

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your not wrong was gonna mention ive got two rapid full backs check out wagner a right back who is billed as a rmf...very strong and quick...only 3m also got a decent back up centre half for when they tire...i always aim to buy versatile players as i only have a squad of 16.

Same here my right back is Attanda Yusuf/Choplin both are very good and sturdy....left back is Mathieu and Junagalla....My CBs are Rami and Brown....back is where the problem is i have Varane as backup but he is kind of slow.....

about the striker around 10 m mark...try Martins,Jovetic,Lewandowski,Higuain etc
 

iamcanadianeh

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i have Garay and Mertesecker...with the latter having the Lunging tackle.

Do you play with a DM...if so its quite effective for them to have the Anchor man card...my holding midfielder when on the defensive seems to pop up inbetween my centre halves and if needed behind the defensive line as a temporary sweeper.hes on a 77 rating.definitly a great help with through balls

Ya, I have a DMF with anchor man, in fact I often employ two at once.

What is the name of your DMF?

Also, what settings are you using in terms of sliders/tactics?

When you defend, what buttons do you press? Do you press with two players, do you hold the run button? In general do you tackle early or hang back and defend deeper?

Thanks in advance... I'm still open to ideas, but pretty frustrated as you can see!
 

yodi10

Registered User
Ya, I have a DMF with anchor man, in fact I often employ two at once.

What is the name of your DMF?

Also, what settings are you using in terms of sliders/tactics?

When you defend, what buttons do you press? Do you press with two players, do you hold the run button? In general do you tackle early or hang back and defend deeper?

Thanks in advance... I'm still open to ideas, but pretty frustrated as you can see![/QUOT

i play a 4.1.2.1.2 formation on counter attack...my dm at the mo is Sandro costs around 6-7m rated 80....cheaper alternative is a Brazilian dm 77 rated cant recall his name though leando or something ill get his name up to you soon as...hes still in my squad.i dont mark or anything
 

yodi10

Registered User
Ya, I have a DMF with anchor man, in fact I often employ two at once.

What is the name of your DMF?

Also, what settings are you using in terms of sliders/tactics?

When you defend, what buttons do you press? Do you press with two players, do you hold the run button? In general do you tackle early or hang back and defend deeper?

Thanks in advance... I'm still open to ideas, but pretty frustrated as you can see![/QUOT

i play a 4.1.2.1.2 formation on counter attack...my dm at the mo is Sandro costs around 6-7m rated 80....cheaper alternative is a Brazilian dm 77 rated cant recall his name though leando or something ill get his name up to you soon as...hes still in my squad.i dont mark or anything

as for how i defend as soon as their midfielder enters my half i double up straight away holding sqaure so one of my players automatically chases/jockeys their player and i use right stick to highlight a player i want to use to plug up the gaps they may exploit.
u just have to concentrate and anticipate the through balls at all times
 

yodi10

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Entered a coach mode tournament the Master league Open one...made the playoff...reached the qaurter finals and came up against a dream team...my boys managed to to take the game to penalties.3-0 up on penos and the @#$& disconnected...he gets awarded the win because according to konami he had the higher group game rankings....so terribly wrong.it really should not be happening......

i just dont see the point...
 

iamcanadianeh

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Entered a coach mode tournament the Master league Open one...made the playoff...reached the qaurter finals and came up against a dream team...my boys managed to to take the game to penalties.3-0 up on penos and the @#$& disconnected...he gets awarded the win because according to konami he had the higher group game rankings....so terribly wrong.it really should not be happening......

i just dont see the point...

Well I personally just don't see the point of coach mode at all, so...

But this is all off topic anyway.

I will try the suggestions and see how this helps with my ability to enjoy this year's MLO (currently at an all time low), but it's also the other factors like disconnecting, time wasting, and for me personally, coming up against super teams built in coach mode (not earned IMO).

I have hopes for the patch, but so far this is the worst overall PES experience for me in four years, and that's saying something!
 

Tyr

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Cmon peeps, start playing with 0 pass support (need more ppl, hard to find opponents) and this spamming of though balls will be gone!
 

Soccerdude

Registered User
I have posted the links of this thread and the I have van der mirch thread to Konami's team... received a reply from them that they have forwarded it to their concerned department ..... lets hope they nerf players like van der mirch in january patch :) meanwhile anyone who is tired of being spammed by through balls or tired of defending van der mirch give these threads a shout !
 
Only people that do not know how to play would have problems with speedsters. How hard is it to play a deep line and mark the desired player? If you are really that bad, you could simply put 2 men to mark and that will solve the problem. Don't rush into the challenge too.
 

Makavelian

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I've started playing MLO again and finally came up against van Birch and he's fucking woeful. He did score one goal against me the two times I've faced him but any player would have because I was chasing a last minute equalizer. Other than that he's terrible and did zero in the two matches that I faced him .
People talking him up like he's better than Ronaldo :lol:
 

Ronaldoughnut

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You can speak for yourself on this one. Just look at how many people are fed up with Van Der Mirch on these forums... Really, it's a real problem, and it's not just that one player, it's the entire game in terms of tactics and the kind of football it rewards.

The fact that you used him yourself says a lot imo. And, for the record, there are people who are not terrible at the game put in countless hours trying to learn how to defend against these continued through balls to super-fast players and never really get there. I have given up after trying every possible combination of tactics and new ways of controlling players, including several suggestions you made, none of which worked for me.

It seems that the only real solution is to join them if you can't beat them, because hearing that you like using van der mirch yourself means to me that it might just be that I've been listening to advice from someone who is more a part of the problem than part of the solution. Keep in mind that if you spam VDM against someone and score a few cheap ones yourself, the game is often pretty much over by that point, so maybe it's not your "defending properly" that is so effective for you?

Also, if people are diconnecting from you, maybe it's because they can't stand the way you play the game? Just a thought...

Sorry, I know I'm probably seriously misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions, but this years' MLO has me extremely frustrated! It's pure garbage IMO, and I'm not touching it again until after the patch...

PEACE
i think you completely misunderstood my post.
 

Ronaldoughnut

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Only people that do not know how to play would have problems with speedsters. How hard is it to play a deep line and mark the desired player? If you are really that bad, you could simply put 2 men to mark and that will solve the problem. Don't rush into the challenge too.
I agree. Just get some defenders with 75 defense and response, 70 speed. You can purchase many for under 1 million transfer price. Alkwjd, caladoz and another begining with k who has 83 defense!!!!! and 77 speed lol.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
i think you completely misunderstood my post.

Well, it seems pretty straight forward what you are saying. You said that you think using VDM is fun, and the rest of us just don't understand how to defend...

The point I'm making is that if you play that way defending is besides the point. You score a couple with VDM and it's game over basically because the opposing team is fuming mad.

Whether I'm misunderstanding or not, the point remains -- based on all you have shared with us, that's simply the picture I'm getting.
 
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