The 'How are you doing in MLO' thread

[st. louis]

Avelives- I totally agree with having to field 2 DMF/CMF to keep the incessant through balls from reaching the target and you are also dead on about that limiting the attacking oppurtunties. Most of my games feature a very low score line. :realmad:

lyc10- How did you end up with over 18 million dollars on the first day?

 

[lyc10]

Avelives- I totally agree with having to field 2 DMF/CMF to keep the incessant through balls from reaching the target and you are also dead on about that limiting the attacking oppurtunties. Most of my games feature a very low score line. :realmad:

lyc10- How did you end up with over 18 million dollars on the first day?

LOL i was done my midterms that day so i just went home and played all day and night=)

but yea,i see some of you are having trouble with ppl putting 10 million wingers on the field,how i counter it is i play a super high line of defense and use the offside trap, another thing about the super high line is that your defenders has enough time to catch up with him even though the trap failed cause for some reason the defenders always seems to run faster lol

 

[toshe]

i have a problem with the tournaments ,i can never find a place they are always full,i dont now what to do

 

[iamcanadianeh]

LOL i was done my midterms that day so i just went home and played all day and night=)

but yea,i see some of you are having trouble with ppl putting 10 million wingers on the field,how i counter it is i play a super high line of defense and use the offside trap, another thing about the super high line is that your defenders has enough time to catch up with him even though the trap failed cause for some reason the defenders always seems to run faster lol

Good tip, I'll have to try that.

I totally agree here with the consensus by the way about these long through balls and the goofballs who play that way. I don;t respect that garbage, and I love thrashing a player who plays that way.

Here's my line up (div 4, 10-5-5 record). As you can tell, I'm not one of those who just pumps the ball up with long skill-less passes to superstars. It's rare though to find someone else who plays build up like I do. If I ever play someone else like that it would probably be a great match.

ivarov

geraerts (67 - SB) Cornostara (69) Simao (69) Thawala (65 - SB)

DMF (can't remember his name, but 63 overall)


Lyng (69 - RMF) XHAKA (66)

Aboutraika (69 -AMF)

OTAM (69 SS)

POEPON (70 CF)


Also, I have players to cover pretty much every position who are decent, like a real team would (for the sake of realism I guess). Just bought Roux and Sonck last night and can't wait to try them out (73 and 71 overall respectively).

 

[alx-9]

How do I know the amount of money I get for releasing certain players?

You can also press the LB button (L1) to see how much money he's worth, what the commission fee is and what your finances will be after selling the player.

 

[alx-9]

Does anyone else sign the fast CBs? IMO it's the best way to counter the pump and dump strategy most people use.

Yes. I have Distin who is pretty quick and also a 1.90m+ tall guy so a nice combination of speed and strength (body balance is 90 I think).

Another speedy CB I had was G. Martinez. I swapped him for Sergio Ramos recently though. Both Martinez and Distin are worth around 3 million.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

^That's another good idea.

Are you guys using SBs or four CBs? I'm finding I really like the SBs in this game, the way they pop up in the box even from time to time, so it would be a shame to convert to CBs just because of these dump and chasers, but if it helps I would do it.

Another tip also. Don't try to play their game, play your game. Keep posession, don't force the play like they do. Instead of building up to make a through pass of your own, maintain posession even longer (lateral passing as opposed to forward passing) and wait for an opportunity to create a solid scoring opportunity. When you are getting 65% or more of the posession then it will be even tougher for them. Scoring can be difficult when you have most of the posession, but if you're going to play that way as opposed to dump and chase, going all out seems to work best for me.

 

[BigP_Hellas]

^That's another good idea.

Are you guys using SBs or four CBs? I'm finding I really like the SBs in this game, the way they pop up in the box even from time to time, so it would be a shame to convert to CBs just because of these dump and chasers, but if it helps I would do it.

Another tip also. Don't try to play their game, play your game. Keep posession, don't force the play like they do. Instead of building up to make a through pass of your own, maintain posession even longer (lateral passing as opposed to forward passing) and wait for an opportunity to create a solid scoring opportunity. When you are getting 65% or more of the posession then it will be even tougher for them. Scoring can be difficult when you have most of the posession, but if you're going to play that way as opposed to dump and chase, going all out seems to work best for me.

Yea, I'm more about possession. I like to dictate play especially when facing star studded teams. Also, if I face off against a star filled squad and I get the early lead.. good luck getting into my box

 

[Montanaro]

I'm planning on making up a couple new tactics, they won't be realistic, but my plan is to make their game unenjoyable (which makes it fun for me!)

The first is a 1-4-2-2-1 with 4 dms 2 smfs 2 amf and a striker.

the Second is a 5-1-4 or a 6-1-3 with either 3 cbs or 4 cbs one midfielder, and 3 or 4 attackers :w00t . Not only would I have some offense if I can get it to them, but the defense should kill their attack.

So my plan is to either overload the midfield with 8 players, or overload defense and offense.

Btw I'm in D5 and don't have much money, but I bought Beria who is like 88/85 regarding speed as a CB. I want to get santacroce next. Btw if you play with extra CBs 4+ use the CB overlap tactic, but remember they only attack vertically, so if you tell your outside cb to attack he will go up the flank and be useless.

 

[st. louis]

I went the route of selling all the stock players immediately and buying a rather large lineup of players rated in the 55-65 region. There are quite a few fairly decent players if you look hard enough. However, some of the stock players are pretty hard to beat at the start. Ordaz' shot, Gutierrez' overall CF play, Miranda and Ettori's passing and Ivanov's GK abilities are the ones that are hard to replace but you can definitely find new players who are more well rounded with few terrible weaknesses. The stock defenders are very strong physically and it's pretty hard to find new players who match that in the aforementioned overall rating.

When I sold the stock players, I was looking for a more diverse group of players who could play multiple positions and had better form. A 6 condition means a player is much more likely to be in average or better form.

I have played over 150 matches but am still in D5 because I have been very experimental with formations. I would love to play a 3 man defense more but it gets decimated by the through ball. I have been mostly playing with some form of 4231 which provides a solid possession game along with a pretty difficult team to break down defensively. I also use a 4312 in my strategies as it provides a much better attacking option. I have also tried a 4141 with mixed results.

I feel the major problem with possession in the game is that it only takes a little lag or a slight mistake to launch almost every opponent into an easy counter attack. It hasn't stopped me from playing this way but the way other people play doesn't seem to be as negatively affected by a bit of lag. Konami's servers seem to encourage playing the wrong way by punishing the people who play a more intricate passing game. It certainly doesn't help that the fucking through ball is so damned easy either.

I really think Konami has an excellent game on their hands with a bit of tweaking. I am amazed at how much the team style affects the game. I would personally say that getting this right is more important than individual players for people who are just starting out. I have seen some players get incredible results out of the stock players when they had a good gameplan.

 

[chriskit]

If Konami fixed the cursor change problem and made defenders more responsive to long through balls, then people wouldn´t abuse these weaknesses online. At the moment, the game makes it way too easy for people to use a simple and boring tactic to win.

Even though I know that if I used a 4-3-3 formation, I would probably win more MLO games, I´m still trying to find a more intelligent way to win online than just use the overpowered through ball.

A formation that works pretty well is to use two defensive midfielders to man mark their offensive wingers. When used with a high defensive line most through balls can be intercepted.

I´m still experimenting though. The system still needs tweaking.

 

[st. louis]

That's an excellent point about unresponsive defenders and the cursor change. I have conceded most of my goals from the combination of these two things lately. It's pretty irritating to play a great match and then have the other team score on their only shot because of a defender taking a nap. Having said that, playing 4231 has made through balls much less effective and it isn't too much of a problem now.

I've really noticed that by playing a non sprinting possession game that my players have much more energy at the end of a match and I usually nick a goal or two towards the end because of the other team's fatigue. This is especially noticeable if you sub a quick forward on late in the game.

I used to mark people every game but sometimes found that it resulted in fairly strange behavior at times from my defenders. Now I usually use one of my DMF (who has the man marking star) to mark the other teams playmaker. Does a pretty good job at limiting their attacking options.

I would also like to applaud all the people who approach it like a real game of soccer. I have played a number of people who have and it is always a great game. Kudos to you.

 

[gunnerglow]

regarding the 'napping' defenders, Look out for, tenacity, and responsiveness. IMO Theses are vital for a mean defense.

 

[bigberry]

Had a couple of good games against a guy using Blackpool earlier.
He went up 1-0 I equalized then he scored straight away (2-1) to him, 20 secs later I do a 1-2 with Jordi Gomez and drill it from the edge of the box 2-2 best game so far.

We got matched up again later Ivarov passed straight to his striker lost 1-0 - (

About through balls I tried my back 4 right up the pitch and got murdered. Im going to make them compact and see how that works.

BTW Anyone tried a sweeper ?

 

[gunnerglow]

compactness is how many buses your opponent can drive thru your defence. If you think a high value here is gonna help - think again!!!

Regarding the high line - suits me best. High line , compact, press... played about 30 games now conceded 0.61 a game, I did get chopped up once though, 6-0. The guy had rooneys shot literally making my GK fold into the net! It was as if the ball had more inertia than my GK!!!

 

[Montanaro]

How many of you close down with one or two men? I try not to as I think it encourages through ball play. It's easier to use your player to clog up holes, and then when the opponent is trying to figure out what the hell to do you pounce by closing down with the computer while using your player to cover the best passing option.

If you play like everyone else and close down with two players constantly, it'll open up holes for through balls, thusly you just make the ping pong game worse.

 

[st. louis]

Yeah, I tried a SW for a little while in both a 3 and 4 man defense. I used Ponce from Chile and it was a disaster because so many teams would use more than 3 attackers, he would usually play them onsides and have too much space to cover when the opponents got forward in numbers.

I realise that my defenders aren't world class but Konami is making a game that is representing professional players and you would never see these professional defenders go napping this often in real life. All of my defenders (Ponce, Sabitov, Sivok, Hornamkis) have at least a 70 in DEF, 70 RES and 70 in MEN with Ponce and Hornamkis having 80 in MEN. I think the game engine has a problem with responding to the through balls. I've also mentioned before that in real life there aren't a huge number of players who can hit that kind of through ball regularly from deep in midfield or defense yet in game it seems most can.

I totally agree about having a compact defensive formation.

I have both Ivanov (70 overall)and Tejumalov(68) as GK who are about the same level overall. Has anyone noticed a night and day difference when upgrading to a slightly better (73-77) goalkeeper.

 

[bigberry]

I play 4 4 2 I signed Zubar who has covering Card hes been good. I just signed a cb who can play sweeper he has covering Card aswell .
Ill report tomorrow how it goes .

Compact defence is the way forward hardly faced a shot the last 4 games Signed Cavenaghi aswell not sure I like him tbh forms only a 3 might save up for a real quality striker.

Edit - Almost forgot ive been using offside trap against the through ball merchants its a good ploy as long as you remember to defend aswell. It cost me a goal or 2 but its saved me a few and made the opponent think a bit .

select + square etc is a pain though why konami ?

 

[lyc10]

I play 4 4 2 I signed Zubar who has covering Card hes been good. I just signed a cb who can play sweeper he has covering Card aswell .
Ill report tomorrow how it goes .

Compact defence is the way forward hardly faced a shot the last 4 games Signed Cavenaghi aswell not sure I like him tbh forms only a 3 might save up for a real quality striker.

Edit - Almost forgot ive been using offside trap against the through ball merchants its a good ploy as long as you remember to defend aswell. It cost me a goal or 2 but its saved me a few and made the opponent think a bit .

select + square etc is a pain though why konami ?

i agree..it would have been way better if it was L2+what ever button you set it as.. and some of the form stats is just freaking retarded ..makes me think how much football konami actually watches..drogba, gerrard 4?Gourcuff 8?

 

[Montanaro]

You can always set offside trap to automatic.

Anyone else notice that editing team style has almost no effect at all? So annoying, if you want to change the way your team plays you have to do it by moving players around in your tactic and changing their role.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll get some time to test my 6/5-1/2-3 and 1-8-1 tactics against the PC.