My problem with some of the requests is that they're not specific enough for anyone to act on them...or they're asking for things that are already implemented, perhaps in a different way than they're asking.
Maybe Konami could add in what they're asking, but is the request really a "game-changer?" Or would development and testing time be best spent making a real difference to the gameplay, or online code?
Just quoting a few.
* More Special Animations
sole-of-the-foot dribbles,
Already in PES10. Players stop with sole, bad dribblers/massive deceleration occurs with sole, Torres did a lil sidestep sol dribble on mine the other day
* A New Concept for Midfield Play
Sounds like a good idea, I think I do this anyway when I play, please be much more specific
* New Player Attributes
One of the most annoying flaws remains, players with good physical attributes are unrealistically good at defending and winning the ball back. At times I prefer to chase back with Messi, because apparently he is a better defender than Carles Puyol.
If realistic midfield battles are a possibility; it's certainly impossible if players like Messi, CR9, Kaka, etc. keep winning balls so easily. It all indicates that new stats or player attributes -are- needed.
I never really play with/against any of these players save Messi @ Barca, but he certainly is a tenacious booger in real life, so think its fair if his feet just wanna keep dribbling. CR9 and Kaka though, I think not.
The other standout-flaw that still remains is in the off-the-ball movement and approach of each individual; there are different types of Awareness.
We have players with great tactical qualities, and yet different approaches. This is particularly noticeable on the midfield... We have players like Edgar Davids or Claude Makelele, great defensive midfielders with very different approaches to the game.
Cards already incorporate almost everything you asked for e.g. tracking back, tackling ability (and likelihood)
Attack and defense stats incorporate how likely a player is to be up or down a pitch. Can you provide a specific example of a player who can not be described by the current system?
* New Alternatives for off-the-ball runs
I'm not sure if I'm missing out on something, but to this day we still have to pass the ball -so- that we can tap the R2 button and set-up an attacking run. It's old and one-dimensional, as well as very obvious and easy to spot.
It would be refreshing if Konami can come up with new ways of setting-up attacking and defensive runs.
Ok, again you're right, but there is a line between what you as the person controlling wants to do, and what the player (that you're controlling) in real life would do. From my understanding the current system rewards those players who would in real life make awesome runs.
As you dribble with your player in PES, the body shape of the dribble dictates to a decent team-member the run that is expected, just as in real life
* New Approach
PES5, PES6, FIFA09, PES09, FIFA10, PES10 -are- meant to be played for 10 minutes or in other words 5 mins per half. We do have the option of playing 20 minute matches, but when we do; the game does not stand the test of time.
It simply isn't good enough nor realistic enough for 10 or 15 minutes per half. Konami should find a way of making the game fun/realistic/good enough to be played for 20 or 30 minutes; quality over quantity.
What exactly do you mean? I regularly play 20 min each half games, and enjoy them immensely. Please, not knocking you, but for me this is a football simulation, I love football, therefore I don't get bored after 20-30 min.
Decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers, decent goalkeepers and decent goalkeepers.
I feel strongly about the goalkeepers being at least vaguely competent.
And I think they are. Have you tried goalkeeping in real life? It's VERY hard. What exactly would you like to see improved?
I like FIFA's "first touch feature" using the right analog stick. It's also used when dribbling to knock the ball a little further ahead - works and looks nice when you skip past an opponent using it. New animation and physics engine. New animations - players look dreadful when running. I would love to see the Euphoria engine in PES11! I still think the gameplay speed is a touch fast - it still feels too much like ping pong at times.
Euphoria engine would look awesome. Might take longer than a yr to implement though.
With PES you already have like 5 different dribbling speeds per player. Perhaps learn how to use these as opposed to asking for a new mode?
First touch in PES - there's basically 3 options, and could def be improved, but I think itt covers most situations. There's trap without turning, there's begin dribble at moderate speed, and there's push the ball further and attempt to chase it. As in real life, if you're slower/weaker than the defender, only the first 2 are useful unless you play it in the perfect direction.
In no particular order.
- Manual passing on the x button
What do you MEAN by this? You mean you don't like the R3 button? It's not THAT difficult...? What about the 50% of ppl who like how it is? Do you want the added option? Specifics...
Again, specifics! I love the 360 as it is. What do you want to see different? If *you* can't describe it, how is Konami gonna read your mind and please you with the next release?
- Smoother and more fluid animations
TBH if I'm tryna score a goal I don't stop and think about how smoothly Torres is running, but a valid request.
- More stadiums to suit smaller teams
And again - don't think it changes the gameplay, but yep, valid
- Slightly slower pace
- improved physics system for tackling and tussles
Specifics? I like how it is. What would you change?
- More realistic goal nets
- More advanced manual shooting and crossing
Specifics again? Although I do prefer the 09 crossing, haven't perfected 10 yet, but my quick analysis is that better passing stats means better manual crosses. Body angle/shape affects it a LOT as well, which I like as its realistic.
- Stadium Editor
- Improved cpu AI
What kind of AI improvements?
- Improved player animations
- Manual passing
- Improved keepers
Touched on this already - specifics!
- stadium editor
- Improved crowd noises and chants
and something that no football game has yet to get right:
- HUGE CHEER WHEN YOU SCORE AN IMPORTANT GOAL! and louder cheers in general.
If it makes you happy, as valid as any other. Twould actually be nice if:
-you got to save in replays the skill level and situation that a goal was scored (e.g. "Top Player, quarter final replay, went on to 4-2 victory/was the winner")
-And at the end of the match, if you accidently exit to the home screen, all the data for the match disappears - surely this could be saved too!
-You can replay something up until the point that the succeeding throw/goal kick begins. Then the replay magically disappears from the computers memory. Wtf? Surely just implement "replay the last 1 minute" as standard, so if you don't hit start on time, you can still see the replay! Even better, the system of FIFA 09 (PC) where you could replay the WHOLE giddarned MATCH!!
Echoed mate!
- The above mentioned
- More body tackles (and a clear and visual difference regarding small and strong players regarding this)
Good point. Current animations/engine shows that strong players (Drogba, Ibrahimovic) rarely properly stumble whereas weak players (Benayoun) get shoved off all the time. Some room for improvement
- That the speed stats has actually something to say (Controlling a player with 87/85 speed/acceleration, in pes 2010 the defender with 71 in speed chases you down easily)
Fair point, can't say I've noticed but I haven't been looking/hasn't annoyed me yet. Then again you're almost always slower when doing anything but the fastest dribble.
- More fluent animations and more touches on the ball when sprinting and changing direction
- Bundesliga teams
- New animation of "controlled shooting" (shooting using the R2 button looks ridiculous)
Some very dodgy animations of shooting, especially if attempting certain awkward shots. If you attempt a more normal shot then R2 it, looks decent. Basically if you press R2 late, the player has to do some weird adjustments to carry out your instructions, hence looks ridiculous. Press R2 earlier, not only will you get a better shot, but you won't see the ridiculous animation. The 2 or 3 that still remain...well hopefully Konami will iron them out
Improved keepers (don't head it away, when they can easily pick it up)
So true, then again haven't had a decent keeper who does this...if you bring your keeper out too far they will perform this erroneous nonsense. Use keeper cursor/improve your skill at using through ball button to have keeper run out
- NO MORE ASSISTED TACKLING/DEFENDING IN GENERAL
Sooooo important. The amount of times I've wanted to just slide to block a pass but the CPU forces my player to do that silly "standing and stick out a knee" animation. Then again its taught me to stay on my feet which is how I play in real life.
Perhaps we need an option for assisted defending on or off
- Penalty kicks when tackled inside the box without them touching the ball
lol posted somewhere on this, perhaps add ref strictness as an option for matches/ML?
-The strikers may not stop running all of a sudden when a ball is passed perfectly towards them.
User super cancel and make the player do what you want.
- Manual control of all passing, long and short from anywhere on the pitch no matter using x or O.
Touched on before
Agree with the better nets.
Pes1,2,3,4,5,6 Had brilliant nets, on the ps2 they were superb, different colours aswell and brilliant shape. We need different nets/goals in each stadium. The nets on pes 08 09 10 are a joke why did they create them they look like the nets you catch fish in. I have noticed the nets are a different colour in ML games but it still makes goals feel unrealistic when a powerful shot hits the foof of th enet and the net expands.
Dunno about most out there, but I mean, REALLY? Would you stop playing a footy game because once you score the net expands??!?
Also Goalkeepers, Need to be scrapped and re worked, Pes 1 and 2 had great keeper animations.
I'm sorry, but what has irked me the most about PES10 is that you can't actually TACKLE!!! I press X or even Square and they don't do JACK s*%t! They just run next to the opposition player! And when the opposition players then slows down your player slows down with him, WHY?? You just can't tackle!
- Improve tackling and body contact, it's S*&T compared to FIFA10
Don't play FIFA so can't fully comment, but in PES X does 2 things...it tracks a player closely if held, and if the defender is near a dribbler, it attempts a tackle. Like in real life, the dribbler has to show you the ball (i.e not be shielding it), time it right, and you win it 90% of the time. Like in real life. I'm a defender by trade so maybe it comes instinctively..but that's how you do. Plus in real matches, there's probably only a fair ball winning challenge for every 5-10 passes, so it's unrealistic to expect to tackle every time the opponent touches the ball.
- Stop players continuing to run for 2 seconds after they have been dispossessed!
Definitely needs to be improved
- Please improve the referee in all aspects! I mean he doesn't even put his hand to his mouth when he blows the whistle.
True, but hand/mouth thing has little to do with skill as a ref in my mind. Now if you'd been specific, and talked about the advantage rule, and offsides, etc....
I do like how the ref doesn't bully players or block the ball like in old PES though!
- Improve goalkeepers! If they come out then make then go for the ball! Not come out and then run back for no reason!
- Off the ball movement is poor! I sometimes see players just standing there, even though the play is right next to them! I'm sure it's a bug so get it out!
Already covered those 2
- Why can't you take defenders out of a wall? If they have a free kick near the halfway line, I don't want 2-3 of my defenders in a wall, it's not needed!
MASSIVE deficiency in PES. What sensible defending team has a 3 man wall 40 yards from goal? GRRRRRRR!
- Finally, When players are on the ball it's too slow! When they turn they do it slowly and then an opposition player can come and nick the ball off, yet m,y player just stands there after being dispossessed! NOT GOOD!
Use a player with better dribbling
They are just 2% of the things that need to be improved
The new penalty shooting in games is awful. I don't like it one bit. Give us the old front view back and a power bar instead. So what if it resembles FIFA.
The PES09 penalties were laughable, at least in 10 you get an easily understandable explanation that works. And not every player can hit a perfect penalty, top class strikers still miss as do Penalty kings like Gerrard and Lampard.
I would also like for every team specific passing styles. With the option to chose the passing type. Just as in Manager games. Like short passing (for dominant possessing teams as Barcelona, Arsenal etc. players spread wider ), long passing (for less technique based teams and lower tear teams, like bottom of PL) and direct passing (for teams with pacey players that are great on counter attack, and more compact teams, like Getafe etc.) and teams that have mixed styles. It will give more realism and authenticity. For example if you play against Stoke City (no offense!) in Pes 10 they will sometimes pass the ball and hold possession as if they where Portugal or Arsenal.
Team style settings - play with them
And yes the AI also seems like they are content with possessing the ball instead of actually creating goal chances.
True, but that's good play in real life
And bring back delayed yellow cards. Sometimes you can really foul a player who has just passed the ball and nothing happens afterwards. Give us the possibility to remove the walls again on free-kicks like in PES09. I hate to see a free kick on the middle of the pitch or close to the corner flag and there is a two or three man wall. I have never seen that in real life.
Both great points, pet hates of mine. They've got it half right in PES10. A late challenge won't usually stop play. But then the late challenge has no consequence! GRRRRR. Funnily enough in the PES10 demo, they went the other way, which was a touch better: a late challenge was immediately penalised which at least meant the defending team couldn't break up the attack with vicious hacks.
My OTHER main gripe with PES10 is the cancel
A GREAT introduction is holding X to cancel a pass as your player shapes up for it. This has really helped me keep possession when I do that "mind body disconnect" thing and place a pass before thinking about who it's going to.
My problem with it is first time passes.
Occasionally I'll press for a first time pass but the defender will close up the space. If I'm lucky I can use supercancel to move my player and he will "forget" about the 1st time pass, but more often than not, its pot luck.
REALLY annoying if, for example you press pass a cpl times to make a challenge, the ball falls to your CF in acres of space, who then proceeds to play the ball into touch.
OR you make an awesome challenge at the back, stay on your feet, but then boot it out because you pressed shoot or pass at some moment of desperation.
SURELY here it would make so much sense just to allow super cancel or R2 or L3 or SOMETHING to just 'cancel' whatever you were doing, and start over.
THAT, plus the advantage rule (above), and players in the wall (above) and I'll be a grinning 10 y.o. again playing ISS or FIFA 96
Hmmm, perhaps add in cancel for goal keeper's throws/kicks, and freekicks - when you realise your opponent has moved his player in front of who you wanna pass to.
Lastly - offsides. (ties in with the point on referees above)
Either make them respect FIFA's rules to the letter, or allow us to choose between/have different leniences of refs who will allow more benefit of doubt to attackers, etc.
