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At the risk of another racism row, the skin colour should have given it away, I just can't remember it though :erm:

Same here Stott, I earn a decent wage but still refuse to shell out top dollar on a new game 95% of the time, I think it's my age because I never used to think like that :(

I understand what you're saying Shaun, but let's be honest, it SHOULD be better than PES 2009, because that was poor too, Konami HAVEN'T released a good football game on either the 360 or the PS3. There is no excuse for that.

Ah jeez, how many times? Because it's Konami, that's what they do. They release shitty demos so that their deluded die hard fans can look forward to how much better the 'real' game will be.

I'm with you guys too. I'll pay £40 for FIFA upon it's release, but there aren't many other games I'll do that for. I really enjoyed playing the Batman Arkham Asylum demo but I'm not gonna pay £40 for it, I'll wait a while and then get it second hand for about £20 or less, I'm not missing out...

The fact that it was Wesley Sneijder's name in FIFA (I'm sure it was Sneijder) and is it not the name of a place in Amsterdam if my Dutch geography serves?

On the subject of bargain games I actually really enjoyed playing The Bourne Conspiracy and managed to pick that up for less than a tenner for the 360.

:laugh: Zeeburg!

The players may look more realistic but let's be honest, it counts for nothing when the game is about as playable as a stringless guitar. When I was a huge PES fan I always said the licences on FIFA meant nothing without the great gameplay PES had, now it's almost the exact opposite, Konami...

Knock it down to that then and give it a try.

Welcome to the site Sid. Good to have you here.

The volleying is indeed sweet. You can't beat one of those deep, right sided crosses that has gone beyond your two strikers only for your left winger to appear on the corner of the box to connect perfectly with the ball on the volley, even if it does fly over the bar or wide of the target...

I think part of me felt the same before I bought 09 but it was the best gaming decision I ever made, I transformed my three brothers from PES fans to FIFA fans over time and now all four of us get together regularly and play FIFA 09 and can't wait for 10.

Good call Don, I think this will lead to a shortage of bookings in the future too.

I know exactly what he means. But does that make a difference? Current gen consoles have been out long enough now that current gen demos should ALL be playable at 1080p. Response times in the demo shouldn't be so shit. There's no excuse. If the demo wasn't ready to be released it shouldn't...

Cracking volley mate. Well played. Whenever I play FIFA, and even if I was trailing or drawing, when the ball sits up like that I always have to hit it, I couldn't have taken that ball down and gone one on one with the keeper, it's too tempting to hammer it goalwards first time so for me that...

No, hang on a second, I'm not 'bashing' and I'm entirely on topic, these are HD consoles, every other demo I have downloaded and played (about 30-40) has been absolutely spot on using 1080p, so why should people have to change their settings to play a decent game of PES? It's a farce. And...

Welcome to the site mate.

Absolutely ridiculous. This is hardly a 'fix'. This is Konamis fifth installment of current gen PES (and I hesitate to call it current gen) and if they aren't capable of producing a game that both looks and works well in HD they deserve to be beaten into the ground by EA. As I've said...

Deluded. I take it this guy has never played PES4 or 5. PES is at number 2, where it has been the past two years and will continue to be without real improvement.