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has anyone every had multiple people sent off for fighting in the same incident?? i.e. a brawl?? i had a couple.. against Newcastle.. one for kicking and one for pushing..

so what ur saying is one CD life fifa and one like PES???

^^^ lotta no's there eh?

fifa has this whole other market that konami will never have.. and that is the official name.. and because of that it has all this added popularity.. so i hope fifa rots in hell...

1. Accurately Made yourself? NO 2. Made yourself with FULL stats? YES 3. Made a celebrity? NO 4. Lost against a girl? NO 5. Won against a girl? NO 6. Lost to a younger brother or sister? NO 7. Beaten someone you would consider a PES pro? YES 8. Wondered where the ref is? NO 9. Had to...

Rofl.. I think i would spend more time looking at that than actually playing the game...

sounds a bit dodgey eh?? if it is true.. then post screen shots.. if it is not then never speak of this moment again...

i play 3 - 4 - 3 and don't really worry about defense.. it normally sorts itself out...

is this still going or has it died?

diego is awesome for me.. but coz i played him too much at the start, i had to rest him.. and now i have to get his work permit % up.. and he has played something like 50 straight games for me..

i liked the system with the minimum amount of posts thing for that one.. because are you really going to post 1000 times and stay here and be a wanker?? i don't think so...

you know.. the correct answer.. is... buy both :D

well done jack:bluebirds:jack for compiling that extensive list.. i just read through it and fook me.. it looks awesome...

how many of you will be doing this?? i know i will be.. at the moment i am not 100% sure which one i will be getting but i am leaning towards PES4.. purely coz i will have to import WE8, XBOX, or PS2 is does not matter... just vote which game..

i sold Silvestre.. he gave me the shits.. he kept on getting red carded.. and although he won the World back fo year and crap heaps.. i don't care.. i would rather go without him... but thanks for those names.. i will have a look and left you know how i get on.. /Edit i would just like to add...

i think that you should be able to change your title as you please if u unlock it...

ohh okay my bad.. i thought it was.. my bad...

anyone know any young good defenders?? that wont mind only getting 15 - 25 games per year for a little while?? ones that do not require work permits either.. because they kill ya if they are only a backup player... you cannot renew contracts... and how big are everyone's first team squads...

you sig is way to big Vinicius Oliveira.. you will be asked to make it smaller by a mod...

personally i don't play with france much.. but i normally play a 4 - 4 - 2 formation thats sounds a lot like Bazhilder's formation...