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As the saying goes... A Camel is a horse designed by comitee.

Ha ha ha, what a bunch of great responses! Look, I couldn't care less about whether fake football players feel tired or not. it's a fucking game! The reason for the suggestion is because a lot of people on this forum have their own views on how this game should be! And it's all a bit...

As there seems to be such a divide over what people want from the game, maybe next year Konami can offer a couple of options before starting a game or competition..."Simulation or Arcade"? For me personally, I would prefer the arcade version as I don't really want to take into consideration the...

Hey that's cool. We can't all like the same things.

If I'm honest, I prefer demo 1 too. But I'm not into too much realism, I just want to hammer my mates and score some great goals. In Demo 1, I experienced two goals in particular that were out of this world. It was almost like playing on the old PS2 versions. With Demo 2 I can't even come...

It's only a game! Get over yourselves!

Cool. Thanks for the info!

So does this mean Ronaldinho won't be in the game or will Konami put in last year's Copa Lib teams with last year's players? (At Minero weren't in 2012's Copa Lib)

Abu, come back to me on the previous statement. As for you xiaoshite, if you don't have anything decent to say, then say nothing at all.

What? Don't be a prat! Fool!

And that's why Ronaldinho was missing in PES 2012! I am right!

Abu Is this a feature in PES 2013? Because it used to be in PES 2011 but not PES 2012! The player packs in 2012 are classic players only. That's why there was no Beckham, Henry, Rivaldo etc. because they're still playing!

Or is it Flamenco?

Ronaldinho is back in the game. Download the PES2013 Demo and play with Flamengo. Ronny's a different class!

The Eristic... Sorry, but you're wrong. Del Piero & Gattuso haven't retired, they're just playing for a team not in PES or they're currently a free agent. The only time players become available in Classic Teams or Classic Players 1-5 is after they've retired. The pre-set faces on PES are so...

Nuno Gomes - now with Blackburn Rovers

Bellamy (ahem)

Okay, you may need to re-word your phrase... Some people don't tell lies... Perhaps it's just mis-education or mis-interpretation? For all I know, your information may not be 100% correct either as there are lots of Fiorentina Fanzines out there who still class Batistuta as a legend. I just...

Is that really what happened? Please accept my apology if that is the truth.

As for the media and loyalty of players... I remember when Batistuta left Fiorentina for Roma as he wanted to win trophies. Fiorentina still erected a statue of Batigol and the fans still admired him. Van Persie has left Arsenal for the same reason yet he is now hated by most of the Arsenal...