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no one should insult you just because of your opinion, i agree but saying PES 2011 is one of the best games konami has made is really looking for it. the first look we got from pes 2012 is a video in which seabass himself sums up a few but mostly the important reasons why pes 2011 isn't what...

Yes, that's my idea of a simulation. Can't seem to understand how it would work if they implemented what he is suggesting. It makes the stats seem useless to me.

lets get this right, i hate PES 2011 SO I AM NOT IN ANY WAY HOPING FOR A REPEAT. you don't want the same thing the wii game is offering at the moment, so thank god, other then that i don't really understand how you want this implemented and be able to trigger this with a button manually without...

i don't think you read my earlier post or you just chose to ignore it but i won't sum it all up again, i'll just say this, a one two pass is basic so i love how that is being implemented in the game but giving a gamer that much control like you are talking about doesn't make the game a...

i think you are hanging towards a much more manual game were everything and really everything is done by the gamer or i am understanding it wrong. i myself just really want a simulation were really every player is an individual in a team and brings his own thing to that team and you are limited...

i agree.

for me the gameplay is the worst it has ever been and that's the most important part, so all the other area's, game modes may be interesting, polished and improved but when the whistle sounds and the game begins its just sh**. so at the moment PES is just like FIFA and that is terrible. on...

it has always in my opinion been better then FIFA so you can't see that as a standard to reach or to surpass. KONAMI were the ones who set the footballgaming standards and with all the things missing in PES 2011 how the hell could they,the previewers and reviewers say the king was back. every...

the PES 2011 shout was "the king is back" and in my opinion that was the biggest lie in gaming preview and review history as far as i am aware off, yes i truly think that PES 2011 is that bad. now they are almost saying the same thing about PES 2012 but just leaving the "king" part behind, so i...

same here.

then just don't mention it. lying about it gives the impression you don't really listen to or care about what the fans are saying, you just say you do but infact really don't give a sh**

yeah were the hell did they get that feedback from:shocking::w00t:rolleyes:

same here, i'll be buying both as usual cause it is the only way to really feel the improvements for yourself, but i will not hesitate to sell them if they disappoint.

amen.

doesn't really show much just a lot of talk about how great the game is but those are still just words. will we be seeing an ingame video at E3 or not, cause that's what i am waiting for at the moment.

it does that every year so nothing to get to exited about. just being honest. these reviewers never really complain they stay in some sort of grey area so you never really know what your getting. i want to see some good ingame videos, which can help me judge the tempo and the improvements...

well if jon murphy and seabass can be believed the AI will be like nothing we've ever felt before and lets hope this is in a positive way.

:shocking: never looked at it this way, but you make a good point. still i'm hoping your wrong because that will be unforgivable.

let's not get angry here guys i think the point Amateur is making is that the difference in the 2 games isn't that obvious anymore. in the past you could look at an AI controlled game on PES and believe it really was a football match, and that was before the stunning graphics we have now. the...

did you play PES 2011? did you see the animations? they were hurting my eyes so the point i am making is that the animations in the video posted above seem much smoother and acceptable. not the video that was shown at E3 because that was dreadfull it doesn't say much about the improvements in...