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So far, pes' individuality is shown when you play with the player mostly. But when the AI controls the player, the individuality shines even more. And that will be the case this year. Konami only showed the moves with messi because he is signed with konami at the moment. And messi can do them in...

Amateur. You say many things correct and I do agree with you mostly but here is a different thing. Let me explain. You said that leo messi doesn't show these skills shown in the game. I agree that doing it with him decreases individuality. But Messi can do them in reality but chooses to use...

Well looks promising. Looks like weight has finally been added. I will wait for the demo to have a better judgement. But looks good so far. Much better than 10. But only from the look of things because you need to play the thing to be able to fully compare. So I'll wait for the demo.:)

^Well that makes sense.:) Also in a 10 min game you can't mimic reality as you said. Anyway I still think that the 10 min concept can become better than it is now. However as you said, there should be a 20 min sim with all of reality and thinking put into practice.

True especially that part. When the AI wants to score they do this: Your defence will go out of position miserably No matter how you try to reposition them, they'll still go anywhere especially the side backs The AI players will push all the way through and they're always twice as strong as...

Well, let's see. But I still think you're right. And fifa does sound pretty good, but so did fifa 10 at first. Fifa gets all the hype and talk and in the end it won't deliver what it had promised. Yeah, even though fifa 10 is a great game, it still failed in BASIC areas. I hope fifa 11 won't be...

^Well based on our ideas yes. ;) As for custom nets. It sounds like a pretty good feature and fun too. But still gameplay comes first.

@Amateur. Hey, I said it myself that a 10 min game can never be life like. You need more than 10 minutes if you want a proper sim but that doesn't mean that the 10 min sim that are the current pes and fifa can't evolve more either. I just want both options available. Even though in more than 10...

Those improvements are exactly what fifa needs after fifa 10. I wish they would make the shooting and heading better because as they are, they're horrible. And player personality if done right could be that improvement I want. But then again, I will trust something when I play it:).

^Ok then. Cheers.:)

You haven't read my post properly have you? Because if you have, you'll clearly understand my point of view which is slightly different to Amateur's. I said that both pes and fifa can be a 10 min sim but they BOTH need to evolve because they're both not up to date with what the ps3/360 can...

Even though 20 minutes sounds alot of time but it may become more realistic. In a 10 minute sim like Amateur said, you can't play a football match because time won't allow it so you rush into things because there's not enough time. Yes this happens in fifa 10 aswell. Rushing and sometimes...

I agree that you can make manual but still keep individuality. But doesn't that make it a slightly more manually controlled semi auto (fifa)? To a point yes, but you will still get more control over direction. So I think that we can make a more manual game and keep individuality.

True unfortunately. However if you want to judge a game before you buy it, then it's the best bet. But you can still judge it by videos of the final code + the demo. I think that'll be fair enough.:) Oh and the 360 movement in pes 11? They said it's there. Well I hope they made it right this...

^That's a point but note something there. In that video there's no animations shown while playing the game in live camera. That's when proper judgements can be made because in that video there's only close ups and very small clips. So it's better if we hold out judgements when proper gameplay...

That video was good tbh. The animations seem improved, but by how much? I still can't say because it was short and we didn't get to see a short match. Only very short clips. Anyway looking forward to seeing more videos.

If you want to say so, go ahead. It's your opinion. But basing FACTS on a video taken from a camera is just not logical. Why? I gave my reasons which are actually the truth. I am not saying it'll be much improved or it'll not be good. I am just saying that we have to wait for a proper video...

^Fifa's commentary was always much better. :) I hope we get more scripts because as liverpool way mentioned. When you're in possesion, the commentators won't commentate. That's just annoying. About the new commentator. I think it will be better but who knows. Here's waiting again. :)

^You can make an assumption from a video, but NOT from that video. Because of the things I mentioned which are relevant and proves my point. I can't see how one can make an assumption based on a video taken from a camera. :doh: Anyway, is there any new news so far? Like more previews or...

Pes 3 was the biggest improvement in pes history. But pes 5 for me is the best pes ever. It had more depth. Anyway, I agree to a point that fifa 09 was better than 10 because 10 was over hyped and for that hype it had, it didn't quite deliver. Although, overall it's still a great game. I am...