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HOW CAN ANYONE COMMENT ON GAMEPLAY AND BULLSHIT 360 MOVEMENT WHEN NO GAMEPLAY VIDEO HAS BEEN RELEASED? Those were trailers. Let's calm down and actually judge a fair way. There are 2 types of people. One are those people who get over excited and don't see the big picture and behind the scenes...

^The same? Without seeing proper gameplay videos and you can judge? You say this game was suppose to be from 2 yrs ago (in which I have to agree), but at least it looks better overall and the first impressions are pretty positive (FROM THOSE WHO PLAYED IT) unlike last year when it was split up...

^Well it's still early, so let's wait for more news and more gameplay videos. But I hope so.:) And I read the IGN article. It wasn't all bad opinion. The first one was actually positive. The other was sort of in between so overall it wasn't bad either. The old penalty system had a good view...

^Well, every game will have the negative side unfortunately. But if you're actually awarded penalties, then it would make it better because we get to practice it more.:)

I think it looks very promising. I just jope that the defending is good enough like it was on pes 5. But overall, it seems to be on another level compared to 2010. FINALLY.:)

^Yeah I also want both games to be great.:) Afterall, some competition is always nice.

^ I know the World cup is their latest game BUT I DO NOT COUNT THAT. Why? Because it isn't part of the series. I mean it doesn't come out every year like the normal fifa does and since this was an argument of pes 11 and fifa 11, we might aswell compare pes 10 to fifa 10 not fifa WC. I also...

^Still you didn't get my point about online. I know it's easier but all games have single player and that is part of the game so you cannot pick online as the most important factor to decide a buy. As for fifa listening to the fans. I hope so, but after fifa 10 (which is still a great game...

^Just my opinion here. DO NOT TAKE NOTICE OF REVIEWS. It's better if you make your judgement by watching the gameplay videos, then play the demo and watch some gameplay videos from the full version. Reviews tend to be biased sometimes. Anyway it's how I see it. :) BTW I agree that both games...

^True, lol. But all in all maybe both will be good. I sure hope so. But both are looking good SO FAR. My dream is that we get 2 great football games someday.:)

Pes has Be a legend instead of virtual pro. Basically you create a player and follow him in his 15 or more seasons (not sure how many seasons but there's many) and go with clubs you want. But any club can make you an offer, you just have to choose the right one. As for manager mode. Pes has...

I just don't see why online is so important. I mean it is important but games are judged mostly on online. And that sucks. I am not saying this because of pes, because there are other games that someone turned their back on it because of no online or because of something in onine. Single player...

Did I miss a gameplay video? Because as far as I know there was no proper gameplay footage released. Well the E3 trailer looked alot more promising than anything that pes 2010 showed. But still not conclusive. And those other videos weren't of reasonable quality and not to mention, they were...

^Animations are a big part for me aswell. But still we have to wait for a proper gameplay video because the ones we have so far are way too early and they weren't to show animations. So it's better if we just wait for some proper gameplay video.:)

^In pes 08, 09 and 10 yes. They were totally wrong and annoying. But why are we judging pes 11 now when there isn't even a single gameplay of reasonable quality released? From the E3 trailer it looked much smoother and weight seems to be added. But again, it's not something I can say for sure...

^WELL, it's clear that you didn't fully review it. It wasn't about animations or goalkeeping. It was about defence, jostling and the new feint system and more movements + power passing and more freedom. I am not saying these will work or these will not work. I am saying what was in the video...

That is true. The defensive play in fifa, although it appears superior to Pes (which it is because in pes 10 and 9 the defending is not good enough and any unskilled player can get past you with ease) is overrated in fifa. The defensive play in fifa is way too easy. But as you said, there should...

I have to agree with that. However I was talking about dribbling and moves in fifa. But that is a good point.

^Yeah, but some fanboys are hard to convince (of both pes and fifa). COD MW2 for example. As broken as it is, many fanboys voted it as the best shooter. That's stupid. But I see your point, because after all, battlefield bad company 2 changed that slightly because there are many players playing...

To be fair, in fifa you cannot dribble all the way even if you master the tricks. So it's not that broken. Yeah, it doesn't have individuality, but it's not completely broken. You just cannot make messi not do these moves. Anyway I agree that we have to play it before we judge it.:) So let's wait.