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Well, that is true. You need to play it yourself.

^AT least a better build than our demo for sure ;)

Hitman is correct. No game is perfect and both fifa and pes demos have something good and bad in them.

henry: I am not defending the game. I am trying to be fair and I never said the final version will be better either. Only that the response times issues are supposed to be fixed. BTW there are some that does the same to fifa. I try to be fair to both games.

henry: So why are you asking? :) The latest code is the one WENB and pesfan have BTW. It's around 90%.

The game won't change much from the demo but as I said: Some minor fixes makes the difference.

^Rersponse times are supposed to be fixed according to the latest code. Anyway some bad points from the demo: Not exactly disappointing. The overall defensive play is better than 09, but the positioning could have been much better. Let's leave the plus points like shooting and individuality...

Wait and see. Old builds = no fair judgment. Also both fifa demo and pes demo were suppose to be better. Both have some problems which I think will be fixed. Well hoping. And even if fifa demo is better, it's not by much. It doesn't play like real football. For me both are good in different...

Agreed with you. But these are demos. So let's wait for the full versions. ;) Here you go btw. http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1373&start=0 HE WAS THE ONE THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT RESPONSIVNESS AFTER GAMESCOM btw. In my opinion, both fifa and pes demos are good games but not...

^The demo is from around gamescom time I believe. But anyway, as I said, I am not saying it'll be better or worse. it's just the way it is and I do not want to jump into conclusions over a demo. Same with fifa demo. Both have some problems which needs fixing. Both not minor ones.

^Same way I feel. Both good demos, but none outstanding.

It could be, but as I said, it's a different year. Still, the gamescom build had negatives that were pointed out liek responsivness. Now, it seems that according to the latest code, it is fixed. At least, something good.:)

byonthought But pes 09 and pes 10 are different and the build from pes 10 demo truly is old. Now I am not saying it'll be better or worse. It's the way things are.

Its not that there will be talking about old builds. It's a fact. The response was fixed and animations were added. The build we have is an old one. Now I am not saying that the full game will have massive improvements or won't. I am just saying that the build is old and animations were added...

For me, neither pes nor fifa demo have proper 360 movements. Cantona. I agree. I will get both games and will play the best simulation. Remember everyone. PES 10 DEMO IS AN OLD BUILD and some flaws like responsivness (which causes passing problems) are supposed to be fixed, thus making the...

^Hard to decide at the moment. BVoth fifa and pes demos have some defending errors which are not small, and both fifa and pes can be annoying in some other parts of the AI. Fifa for BAD AI DEFENCE position Pes for bad defensive errors.

Yes ofcourse. But defending and wing open spaces are different. Spaces I was talking about are when they leave you to run from the wing especially. But then as soon as you approach the box, they start to defend. That is good. But the spaces aren't that good. I hope they get better on professional.

Played the demo. Much better than pes 09 but there were some things which I don't like. Sometimes the defence leaves out open spaces which clearly aren't that good. Maybe because of the difficulty which was regular? Anyway, I want it improved. Response is an issue but not a major one. But I am...

^It was an old thread after gamescom. ASK WENB ABOUT GAMESCOM BUILD or something like that. But now I believe it was deleted because there were newer ones with every code they got. http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1373&start=0 But this is the one where they say that response...

^Well, WENB confirmed it and they were the ones that complained about it when they played the gamescom build. So obviously it has improved which is a good thing. I was starting to worry. ;)