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maybe, but if pes had 10v10 it you would better....god imagine the lag online for that...!!!!

its normal that when someone does something first and then someone else starts to do it after them, its fair to say that they have copied it.. just as fifa have copied from pes/or try too..as i have said before each developer will play the others game and get ideas from it.. then they can adapt...

Amen..

Lol

yeah the changes they made for the third person to work(copied from fifa..!!!) has changed timing and angles of approach...it does do it just some times the ball appears to get in less positions, if you get what i mean.. where as in 08/fifa players use their weak/appropriate foot more like any...

£15 where you find that deal..?? by the the way i think that the 3rd person parts of the game is where i think they will be heading in years to come..become a legend(copied from fifa) is pretty good actually a smidge better than the fifa version..

thats right..when you played 2 spainish teams it felt like a game from la liga.. boco against river plate was always a great game for brazilian fans..the same goes for national teams etc

if you think PES2009 is near perfection then you have no imagination..same goes for fifa...!!! 'Imagination is more important than knowledge'

please read previous posts before you jump in with stupid statments...

i would like to just say that it took 8 years for PES to peek on ps2 coming from ps1 models...soo as with any upgrade of consoles, it takes time for most games developers to really max the power of the console..each year they get better as the the more they understand the physics of 'future'...

hit the spot there...i now have both games and when one pisses me off so much i go to the other..(makes it hard to get great on fiffa but i will get there) look both games are 'OK', maybe at the start i was being harsh saying pes2009 was shit it has +'s and -'s from last year wow arsenal...

and pes players just cant take the criticism.. i played 08 pes not 08 fifa why ?? both games are only as good as you play them.. maybe im too good at pes and have been playing it too long that i have become bored with it..hmm but i loved playin 08...

God how many times do we need to tell you..its not about fifa vs pes we are pes fans that are sayin pes is not good enough so we will try fifa....!!!

LOL, i think you will find that they are both simulations....they are computer games simulating life....

This is playstaion 3 i want both..!!! pes hasnt got any better..fifa has.. i have played ALOT(maybe too much) of pes its a fantastic PS2 game my favorite inFACT.. the days i wasted, the joy it gave scoreing a good goal the passion i had, they have all been dampened.. just making the graphic...

i would pay twice the money and wait 2 years if they worked together on a game...oh we have our dreams...

are you sure i thought Konami was run from oki's bedroom..

OK so you are normal...like i said before its not an issue of fifa being better than pes... however some things are better.. when a player receives the ball or kicks or shoots or runs with the ball its way way way better on fifa, every angle is covered by different animations, why cant pes do...

the real issue is we are all still waiting for a next gen football game be it fifa or pes..football is a complex game to develop, it just needs more time...!!