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they should be judged with the same eye..

EA - Electronic Artists they came from the same humble beginings

poor little Konami all it wants is to make the best game while the big bad wolf EA doesnt care and all it wants is money...My god man you are so naive.. Again the 'FACT' is football is the biggest game there is and each developer has the same goal..where do you get your shit from sayin that...

In philosophy, the concept fact is considered in epistemology and ontology. Questions of objectivity and truth are closely associated with questions of fact. A "fact" can be defined as something which is the case, that is, the state of affairs reported by a true proposition

I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation. why do you wish that unclefredo???????????

OMG im the idiot..!!! you didnt even understand what i said...

Amen brother, its not really a happy boat :( i do have faith that PES will one day rekindle my heart strings but i will be renting 2010 first for sure...

hahaha, yeah im sure they did level 3 mate, its piss easy just ask gaffa

i dont think you understood the Question did you??

OK simple minds as said..let me explain...each game be it football or golf is not perfect, they ALL have flaws (but i guess for you guys PES2009 is just blindly perfect) when playing a game our brains weigh up all the positive factors against the negative factors if its a good game all the...

Could someone who likes the game like to make a comment about why it plays the same on PS2 just with lower graphics?????????????? if i wanted a PS2 game i would have kept my PS2...!!!

if we do that then Konami can get away with making yet another lack luster attempt..

LOL casillas stopped everything...ah ive got it now... so you like the computer doing all the work..??

lol i hit a nerve..now research why you would re-act like that..!!! (psycocholagy101) the reason is because there is truth in what im sayin, but your little brain does not want to hear it..hense blind loyalty..!!! 'jealous minds make weak minds' look at the end of the day both EA and Konami...

god you guys are so dumb..why would a 'fifa 'fanboys' come on here...!!! we are 'pes fanboys' that have been sent to the darkside by 2 years of shite.!!!!!!!!!!!!! we love football so much we want to play the best we can.. pes has just got way to easy, its lost its va va va voom..

LOL you make me laugh..if you are jealous of me being a level 3 coach, just say that, oh you did but in a different way..!! (it was hard to pass) oh and pro 5 a side is not semi-pro... i did not say couldnt defend against 'wing runners' (you know what i mean right) as it is still part of...

and there it is the blind loyalty..hey if konami made a game about jumping off a bridge i bet you would be the first to buy it ....!!

Yeah your right my FA level 3 coaching course did nothing for me...'wing runner' is a gaming term not a football term numb skull its what us real players call you boring ass players..god you didnt even know that ...!!! do you know anything about football???

cus i thought me and my mates were going crazy but thank god we are not as most people feel the same about the game...