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correction: sorry, for some reason I confused R1 with R2 in your post. I use R1 (sprint), of course. What I don't use is R2 (contain bottom).

Ok. For an even higher difficulty, I also don't remove the AI Cheating Script. As I said b4, as you learn more and more about the game (specially defending), you realize that it isn't so cheaty as ou thought. It just requires more concentration and precision in your play. ;) ps: I uncheck...

I suppose you're talking about PES 2012? If so, first of all I never use R2 to defend. 70% of times I defend by combining the 'Call Teammate' bottom (Circle, for me) with the 'Apply Pressure/Conservative Tackle' bottom (X). I ALWAYS use Circle ('Call Teammate' bottom), while I'm controlling...

That were exactly my thoughts for the first 5-7 games. Then I learned how to defend and how to disarm the AI in PES 2012. :rolleyes::cool:

Again, you're missing the point. I'm not denying that some players rely quite often on tricks. I'm just arguing that, IRL (even for the examples you gave), what we see MUCH more often is teamplay, simple passes/moves/dribbles. And that is more well represented in PES than it is in FIFA> As for...

Excelent post GUNNER. :) As for the Speed Merchants issue, I imported a .csv file (with stats based on PSD: http://pesstatsdatabase.com/index.php) into the EDIT.bin, where I removed speed merchant card for ALL players. It is indeed a VERY overrated card in PES. But it's quite easy to 'fix'. :)

Who said that those tricks can't be done in PES? I have a friend who does them quite often, he's probably the best dribbler I've played against in any soccer sim. And one of the things we both like in PES is that it is clearly harder to dribble/perform tricks, unlike FIFA where without much...

Completely agree. I couldn't care less about that stuff. All I want is an optimum combination of realism and diversity in gameplay. In that (crucial) department, PES still edges it, no doubt. Even one of my fifa-fanatic friends agrees. :cool:

g221, judging by some of your arguments, I would reinforce that you really seem to be smoking something pretty strong, lol.

I haven't tried BAL yet. But in ML, the AI is quite brilliant (with right updates and patches). ;) Defending may be harder in PES 2012 than it is in FIFA 12, but it's not scripted at all. Or probably you should try PES 2012 for PC version. There are things in the PS3 version which are a bit...

But also, players in real life sometimes misunderstand, other times they don't respond to the guy on ball or simply decide to take other actions rather than the one they're told... it's the faculty to take initiatives. On the other hand, (and specially in-form/motivated players) are aways active...

Just press L2+R2, a few miliseconds before the taker kicks the ball. You have to be precise. Don't press it too early nor too late. If you do it right, either the barrier will block/deflect the ball, or it will disturb the taker a bit. Before I use this, the AI would score 90% of times. Now, it...

Well, I don't use Player Control, as I don't use shot feint as well. I think both are a bit overrated in this game. In the shot feint example, the AI controlled players sometimes run away like little girls. Using both really makes winning the AI too damn easy. And I don't like it easy. ;) Of...

Well, I liked PES videos better. But that doesn't mean nothing in terms of playability and enjoyment in the user perspective, does it? :rolleyes:

Actually I ALWAYS dominate possession against AI... and I mean always. But that requires 110% of concentration, I just can't blink. And that's one of the secrets against the AI. If you conceed much possession to it, it will make you pay eventually. Usually it's 52% - 48% for me.

ROFL! OMG... :rolleyes: Funnily enough, in some other site I read a similar comment from a guy, but that time the bashing was on FIFA and FIFA players. Even though I'm a PES fan (ex-FIFA fan, BTW ;)), I had to respond to him saying that that was the most stupid and foolish argument I had read...

I these kind of situations I usually avoid pressing ANY bottom at all. Just let the CPU control your defender, it's the best thing to do, as the CPU will make your defender 'glue' to the attacker and apply a great pressure. 90% of times, the attacker will be shrugged off the ball or will be so...

I don't really care about FIFA 12 having better graphics/animation, licenses or the new gameplay sliders system, simply because PES still has a superior programming behind it and that's quite noticeable in the diversity and unpredictability of the gameplay. The past series sucked a bit, and PES...

You guys should stick to the PC versions. They always offer so much more.

The solution is to use the adult platform (PC). ;)