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It's not because you have less control over your players but pes 09 does cheat a bit more than Pes 6. It's true. But maybe you do have less control, but that's because of other things. The abilities on this game really matters.

Pes 5 comes closest to pes 09. These 2 are the best pes games but Pes 09 has a slight edge.

Yeah, I scored a hat trick and my rating was 7.5. In this game, good ratings are not based on goals, but on how your team dominated and how you stood out.

^Top player is not easy on pes 09.

^I still need practice too. But I can score great curls. I loved Pes 06 when it came out, but I was disappointed that the ball didn't curl as much as it did with pes 5. Not that's why I'm happy with pes 09. Its back to Pes 5.:D

I found 2 videos. Not tutorials. But the curls are good enough. They can be better especially if you place the shot. But anyway here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ya0KawhWD0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvsz6vsxH6E

It'll be the same on PC and my camera doesn't take videos good. I only have digital camera (not a video cam). But I'll try to find some good youtube videos if you want. There are for sure.

Even Pes 5 had a much better curl than Pes 6 and the shooting in 1vs situations, is best on Pes 5 and this one, Pes 09. I know what I'm saying. I just replayed all the games I have. You have to press R2 and finish the ball with slight power. To curl it beatifully in pes 09, go in a straight...

I scored a hat trick in my 2nd season and only got a 7.0. I believe the rating system is good but sometiems cheats. But this is certainly true. The more the teamates pass the ball to you, the higher your ratign will be.

Why can't we make the peak? How you play in matches will rsult inn the curve of your development.

What flaws? TBH I never had trouble. I experienced glitches mostly on pes 08 and 6 (pes 6 maybe because of my ps2, that was about to die) Also it feels nothing like pes 08. Pes 08 was worse, much worse. No feeling of football in pes 08. I think this one comes close to the feeling of Pes 5. I...

I'm not sure if he plays in a WF position but he's great. Rosina. He plays on the left side. LMF.

HOW DO YOU PEAK AT LATE THEN? Please I really want to know as my peak seems standard.

Well I like pes 09 but as you said, not really an improvement on Pes 6 except for 1vs1 shoots.

Well Chiellini is still young. Santa croce is good too but the game mad ehim a SB which is annoying.

^I don't think so. Pes 09 is addictive for me at least. Pes 6 was sometimes fast (maybe my ps2) and shots didn't curl beatifully.In pes 09, the shots 1vs1 are great and realistic. But shooting is not all in a football game.

I had more, much more trouble chipping the ball in pes 2008. I know the keepers would go out more than this year's but the chips were bad. This year, I go 1vs with keeper, and he sometiems tries to take the ball from me, that's the opportunity to decrease speed, and press L1/LB and square/X.

^And the biggest one is: how many times they will pass the ball to you. That's how you get involved in the match.

I know. The rating system some times cheats.

About off ball movements. Amateur, you're right, but how can you controla player without the ball if you only have 1 controller that's controlling 11 players?